If Kawhi demands a trade, I wonder if Covington, Fultz, Holmes and #10 is enough?
Sixers would still have room for a max player.
Bryan Colangelo Submits Resignation
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Sixers would still have room for a max player.
Wouldn’t be a terrible offer given the circumstances but I can’t see that being enough to pry Kawhi from SA. I think Saric has to go to SA as part of Kawhi deal.
Why would it be necessary to ban him from the NBA (#7) in addition to firing him? He's an immature weirdo, a Peter Principle poster-boy, not a felon or racist.
Releasing Okafor's medicals would warrant some sort of league action/penalty, right?
The Fultz comment?
This is new territory, but the league just isn't going to let the Sixers fire him and then be OK with this. The Players Union will be up in arms if BC or his wife did this.
For all the Lebron to Philly speculation, I don't see him meshing with Embid at all. Embid is a likable idiot, not exactly Lebron's type of guy. See Kobe/Dwight. I originally thought there was a chance Lebron might go to Philly and Simmons could be swapped for Kawhi but now Philly is floundering and will likely have an ugly offseason.
I also wonder if the reason they're holding on to Colangelo is because this offseason he was going to unleash a master plan that ownership supports. Either that or they don't want to piss off his daddy.
I also wonder if the reason they're holding on to Colangelo is because this offseason he was going to unleash a master plan that ownership supports. Either that or they don't want to piss off his daddy.
Did I miss when Okafor's medicals were released aside from "Ask the reporter if he failed his physical." I'm guessing that suggesting to have someone ask a question has nothing to do with the specifics of Okafor's medical history. Again, what does the Fultz comment have to do with the league? It's a Sixer issue.
I agree the PU would be irate.....but they are not the NBA league office and have nothing to do with the league office. Damn, they negotiate AGAINST each other!
He's going to be toxic anyways, there's no need for any ban. Nobody is going to touch him until everyone forgets about this.
Firing him while paying him to go away and shut up solves everyone's problems: the Sixers, their players, the league, free agents - everyone.
Going for more, vindictively, serves no one's purposes. It's not a deterrent, because who's going to run into the same situation and think "whoa, I better watch out, look what happened to Colangelo". It's not retribution - the players were not hurt by him or his wife screaming into the twitter void. It doesn't even serve a PR purpose because it just draws more attention to an event the league would rather people forget (which is what I always found most bizarre about Ballghazi, the league's steadfast determination to look worse and worse while keeping attention on the issue).
Not exactly a release of his medicals but probably not legal to leak this:
The Ringer story alleges that, in the midst of the rumors, accounts run by Colangelo tweeted that Okafor didn’t pass his physical and the trade wouldn’t be approved — information that, if true, was never made public.
Here is a good recount:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/bryan-colangelo-twitter-burner-account-ringer-what-we-know-20180530.html
So my take is the NBA will do everything in their power to take Colangelo too task here and show their LOVE for the players. They will firmly stand on the Players Union side and distance themselves from Colangelo.
Agreed JCizzle, BC is toxic and won't get another NBA job but for PR purposes alone the NBA will want to take a public stance.
I think the NBA is very involved here, you feel that Philly is left on their own to sort this out. Nothing vindicative here, the NBA is a big, global business that is player image dependent. Silver may feel he needs to protect their players and brand.
Maybe your right and this is a gross overreaction and this is nothing more than modern day leaking by an NBA executive (NBA execs have leaked stories to the media before)
Fair enough. We'll see how it plays out after the Finals.
Obviously, as a Celtic fan, I hope this drags out all Summer. The stench of this could make Philadephia an undesirable place to play.
I thought we determined that sports teams were specifically not bound by HIPAA privacy. So not illegal but definitely unethical.
This.
Penny wise, pound foolish. Clean, decisive break. His salary is a blip, compared to getting the next three months correct.
We hear all the time about players failing their physical when it kills a deal. There was no medical information released. The Sixers choose to keep the information private to protect the value in the player......that isn't a violation of any sort. You're reaching here.
I wholeheartedly disagree with this. For one, we don't know the language in Colangelo's contract so we don't even know if Philly is allowed to terminate him without cause. Secondly, his salary and any future litigation costs are much more than a blip......it's easy for you to claim his when it isn't your tens of millions or reputation at stake. The Sixers are proceeding like any responsible business organization would be proceeding to protect their own interests.
There is plenty of circumstantial evidence suggesting BC was behind this however the only empirical we've seen is the phone number associated to 3 of the accounts......and that is the number to his wives phone! Without an investigation prior to firing the Sixers almost certainly would be jumping right into litigation proceedings brought by BC.
Pay him and don't impugn his reputation. Costs handled.
Or spend a fortune paying PW so so you can mitigate Colangelo salary expense and project "we are a dumbass organization" to the free agent class.
Controlling the salary cap is important. Eating a GMs contract is pocket change
Or spend a fortune paying PW so so you can mitigate Colangelo salary expense and project "we are a dumbass organization" to the free agent class.
Controlling the salary cap is important. Eating a GMs contract is pocket change
Are you sure you quoted the right post?
- I was disagreeing with BenHogan's proposition that Philly fire BC and also that the NBA ban him from the league for some time.
- I don't disagree at all with what you say about the Sixers covering their bases contractually. We don't know his contract but we may assume they'd be on the hook for a lot if they terminate without cause. They have only a limited window to do so before it starts hurting their sporting goals, but they're not there yet.
- In any case, even if his contract protections are strong and the facts aren't any worse than The Ringer reported, what they end up with is a negotiation over what a termination with a release from claims and a mutual NDA / non-disparagement will cost the Sixers. That's what I meant when I said "firing him while paying him to go away and shut up". Nobody here believes, as far as I can tell, that the Sixers can fire him immediately without substantial consequence unless his conduct was far worse than reported.
I'm guessing this was already discussed and Colangelo said "No F'in way, I'm innocent!!"
Jimbodandy essentially did say that as firing him without an investigation or incriminating evidence IS damaging his reputation and would surely destroy the Sixers reputation around the league for terminating without properly gathering the facts.
Again, the Sixers are following proper HR procedures as recommended by their lawyers to prevent both financial and collateral damage.
I love this stuff, like we know embiid at all.
He and others actually describe him as shy! Plus he's super competitive, smart and learns preposterously quickly.
But he acts the clown so LeBron won't like him... Ok
There is no way in the world that "firmly stand on the Players Union side" is an operative strategy for any professional sports league.
I actually think that much of what you speculated on is happening/will happen, but not everything is a deep state conspiracy. Sometimes assholes just get fired because they are assholes. And BC is clearly an asshole.
I'd be shocked if Colangelo is suspended from the league. There's simply no need, since he's made himself toxic.
Colangelo appears to be throwing his wife under the bus and claiming that she was behind the other Twitter accounts.
Unless PW can conclusively prove the cover story is false, it will likely mean that the Sixers will have to buy him out at (or close to) the full value of the contract. But I cannot imagine that he's not gone, perhaps as soon as later today.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23709275/philadelphia-76ers-ownership-group-meets-discuss-bryan-colangelo-future-wake-probe
Unless PW can conclusively prove the cover story is false, it will likely mean that the Sixers will have to buy him out at (or close to) the full value of the contract. But I cannot imagine that he's not gone, perhaps as soon as later today.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23709275/philadelphia-76ers-ownership-group-meets-discuss-bryan-colangelo-future-wake-probe
If BC goes fully denial, which seems to be the position he's taking, then he isn't going to agree to any buyout and ugliness with ensue.
Yup. He really has no incentive not to. He's done as an NBA GM and really has nothing to lose at this point, at least from a professional standpoint. Sixers owners don't want this cloud hanging over them during this big FA year but Colangelo may vindictively play this out to hurt them if he feels mistreated.
He'll absolutely agree to a buyout if the alternative is being fired and having PWs findings be his legacy.
Regardless, the Sixers can simply fire him. Which seems to be a forgone conclusion. The only question is how much it costs them.
Even if the Sixers were to be convinced that Colangelo's wife was running all of these burners, information damaging to the team was still leaked on those accounts. If I'm running the Sixers and I'm looking to fire BC for cause, I think I have a fair argument that information damaging to the team was put in a public forum because of Colangelo's actions. If you're going to gripe to your wife about things going on at work, make sure she doesn't tweet out proprietary info.
I think his legacy has already been set in stone. It will be the failed Fultz trade and this twitter stuff.
Agreed.
Having said that, if Colangelo wants to fight for his full contract, the interviews conducted with PW become part of the public record. Unless there is some mastermind playing a long con to frame Colangelo (note: there isn't) I cannot imagine that this would be something he'd allow to happen.
Comparing LeBron and Kobe as teammates itself is weird. As far as superstars go, LeBron is known as a pretty good teammate, Kobe, not so much.
And if it actually is his wife and they can prove it? I guess he would not allow it to happen for the sake of his wife, or maybe not?
If this were insider trading he would be liable, and at risk of jail time.
Seems pretty damn similar
It isn't hard to read between the lines on this one. BC already is allowing this to happen by professing his innocence which takes any sort of buyout off the table (I'm guessing this was in response to the Sixers initiating the buyout meeting). This is why there is a PW investigation in progress.
Colangelo is going to lose his job one way or another. The only thing they are negotiating is the price. And the Sixers have all the leverage.
I agree with the first part of this but I don't believe Colangelo is negotiating a buyout for reasons I mentioned upthread. I was initially referring to the question of "What are the Sixers waiting for?" and todays assertion that he would possibly accept a buyout.
As soon as the Sixers here from their legalize team that there is enough evidence to constitute just cause he's going to be terminated. It could happen very quickly as this investigation may simply be a quick review of what we already know......such as strong circumstantial proof of BC's involvement by the 3 accounts quickly going private once Colangelo was made aware that the other 2 were being questioned. I'd expect BC to then go after the Sixers through litigation as his career is all but over and he has nothing to lose by doing so.
Right, BC does not have zero leverage. He has the leverage of threatened litigation with a number of embarrassing and highly publicized statements. He is not walking away with zero dollars, not unless the facts not yet disclosed are so ugly for him that he's willing to go away in exchange for silence. And that seems unlikely, even as bizarre as this situation is.
If BC fully cooperates with the PW investigation, he will likely either be condemned or exonerated. If there’s gray area (e.g., the tweets were sent by his wife), the parties will likely negotiate a settlement and part ways.
If BC doesn’t fully cooperate, the Sixers will fire him and refuse to pay a cent. If BC sues, he’ll have to provide the Sixers pretty much everything through discovery that PW is asking for now. That information will likely either condemn him or exonerate him; if it’s somewhere in between, the parties will likely settle.
Not every investigation by a white-shoe law firm drags on for months; indeed, one of the reasons those firms command such exorbitant fees is because they can bring the necessary resources to bear to wrap up complex matters in a short period of time. It won’t take PW long to get to the bottom of this unless BC stonewalls them, and in that case, the Sixers will just fire him and deal with the ensuing lawsuit.
If BC doesn’t fully cooperate, the Sixers will fire him and refuse to pay a cent. If BC sues, he’ll have to provide the Sixers pretty much everything through discovery that PW is asking for now. That information will likely either condemn him or exonerate him; if it’s somewhere in between, the parties will likely settle.
Not every investigation by a white-shoe law firm drags on for months; indeed, one of the reasons those firms command such exorbitant fees is because they can bring the necessary resources to bear to wrap up complex matters in a short period of time. It won’t take PW long to get to the bottom of this unless BC stonewalls them, and in that case, the Sixers will just fire him and deal with the ensuing lawsuit.
His contract may well have an arbitration clause, which would greatly lessen any potential embarrassment.
Cleveland is way too high. They're a mess without Lebron. There's no way he's staying.
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Odds to win the 2019 Finals, from vegasinsider.com:
Warriors 5-4
Rockets 7-2
Sixers 7-2
Celtics 8-1
Lakers 20-1
Heat 20-1
Spurs 25-1
Cavs 30-1
Raptors 40-1
I’m guessing these lines are more heavily wagered than the prop bets on where LeBron will land, so there’s more crowd-sourced wisdom to be gleaned here.
The Lakers, Heat, and Cavs have virtually no shot without LeBron, and the Sixers would be only a slightly better bet than the Raptors without him. I’d say the gambling community sees the Sixers and Lakers as co-favorites, with the Heat having a better chance than the pundits suppose, and the Cavs and Rockets as longshots.
Warriors 5-4
Rockets 7-2
Sixers 7-2
Celtics 8-1
Lakers 20-1
Heat 20-1
Spurs 25-1
Cavs 30-1
Raptors 40-1
I’m guessing these lines are more heavily wagered than the prop bets on where LeBron will land, so there’s more crowd-sourced wisdom to be gleaned here.
The Lakers, Heat, and Cavs have virtually no shot without LeBron, and the Sixers would be only a slightly better bet than the Raptors without him. I’d say the gambling community sees the Sixers and Lakers as co-favorites, with the Heat having a better chance than the pundits suppose, and the Cavs and Rockets as longshots.
I'm not understanding the Miami thing. Lebron's departure from there seemed somewhat acrimonious and the team they have now is not only worse than one he left, but maybe he even worse than this version of Cleveland. They don't have any young talent to offer up in trades outside of Justice Winslow, they're capped out, and they have little to no draft capital to re-shape the roster. All the other teams at least make sense.
Rockets as long shots for LeBron? They seem more logical than the Sixers imo. You've got his boys recruiting him with complementary players already in place. The only other place I see is the Lakers for the obvious alternative reasons.
I’m just saying what I think the odds are saying. LeBron equity is the only explanation (imo) for the Sixers and Rockets having the same odds to win next year. Hell, I don’t think the Rockets would be much worse than 7/2 if there was zero chance of them making a material addition this summer.
Interesting. What that doesn’t say is if his wife knew. And as discussed, if his wife knew, he’s still culpable and really has to go.
Also, if he really didn’t know, then there are a lot of crazy coincidences in this story, such as the accounts going private.
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I'm not sure BC will have much impact on him. I mean, LeBron was able to look past the comic sans clown in his return to Cleveland and Gilbert sucks more than anyone. Anything the Colangelo father/son duo and their wives have done pale in comparison.
The accounts going private make sense if it was the wife, though. If she has multiple twitter accounts she's probably internet savvy.
Sure but in that case, he is probably aware of them. Why would he confide in her about these twitter accounts within 15 minutes otherwise? I suppose she could have overheard the conversation which occurred whil he was with her, but again, we’re entering coincidence territory.
You would think, but how could you possibly prove it? She could have went "rogue" or whatever the term is. And I dunno how busy an NBA GM is or how much time they spend at home, but I'd guess not much. He may not be privy to everything his wife is up to.
I mean, I'd be absolutely shocked if he didn't get fired even if it was proven to be the wife. It just means he's getting more money.