Bryan Colangelo Submits Resignation

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Just to note: those are not crowd-sourced in any real sense, it's the collection of a handful of expert sports book opinions....though I agree with you they are more useful than the prop bets are.
Well, they are initially set by linesmakers, but the public definitely pushes them. The line movement is still determined by the sportsbooks (people or algorithms that automatically react to wagers based on some set of criteria) so it’s not exactly free market. But good luck getting Celtics at +800 still,
 

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Possibly. Or she wiped it out of fear, before realizing that he was cooked and she was the only way to possibly save him.
Believe what you want. But to go from Jerry Colangelo threatening to destroy the franchise if they fire his son to a negotiated settlement in a period of 24 hours is a pretty obvious tell that the cover story is bullshit.
 

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Believe what you want. But to go from Jerry Colangelo threatening to destroy the franchise if they fire his son to a negotiated settlement in a period of 24 hours is a pretty obvious tell that the cover story is bullshit.
Fair enough. I’ve been pretty clear that I don’t believe him. All I was saying is that the wiping of the phone itself is not necessarily evidence of that.
 

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Believe what you want. But to go from Jerry Colangelo threatening to destroy the franchise if they fire his son to a negotiated settlement in a period of 24 hours is a pretty obvious tell that the cover story is bullshit.
At best it was a trial balloon from either sixers or Jerry himself to see how bad reaction would be.

The response was fast and hard and I think even Jerry would have seen the writing on the wall.

So I do think most was his wife, but I do not believe it was all her, there are tweets about old prospects and people big in the local Toronto basketball scene, I just don't buy she was doing that.

It makes more sense to me it was MOSTLY her and she wiped the phone etc so they couldn't proove in on colangelo directly.
He will get a buy out vs nothing and she takes the blame for the money.
 

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Didn't three accounts go private right after the reporter called him about the other two?
What, he got the message and called his wife and said "oh by the way this reporter called about these Twitter accounts" and she ed-reconfigured the others? Hard to buy.
 

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Didn't three accounts go private right after the reporter called him about the other two?
What, he got the message and called his wife and said "oh by the way this reporter called about these Twitter accounts" and she ed-reconfigured the others? Hard to buy.
Yup. She fell on the sword, it would appear.
 

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Didn't three accounts go private right after the reporter called him about the other two?
What, he got the message and called his wife and said "oh by the way this reporter called about these Twitter accounts" and she ed-reconfigured the others? Hard to buy.
He tipped her off telepathically to the accounts that he knew nothing about.
 

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Didn't three accounts go private right after the reporter called him about the other two?
What, he got the message and called his wife and said "oh by the way this reporter called about these Twitter accounts" and she ed-reconfigured the others? Hard to buy.
Probably, but that means he knew about the account. I believe it was the wife, but that he knew about it and encouraged it.

edit: Oh wait, nevermind. I guess in your scenario it's sitll possible he didn't know. Read it wrong.
 

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L'affaire Fultz (starting with the 2 for 1 pick trade with the Celtics and ending with Fultz' lost season and phony injury) did more to damage the franchise than his wife's tweets. If I were a Sixers fan I would be delighted to see Colangelo gone before the draft, not afterwards.
 

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Anyone discussing divorce over bus throwing has a very different marriage than I. If I went home and told my wife that we had to publicly blame her for some stupid shit that one of us did so that my employer would pay out most or all of my next few years salary, I'd get a dirty look and a nod. Millions of dollars yo.
 

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This story is absolutely incredible. This is like Durant trolling people mocking him with burner accounts but logged in as himself, but multiply it by 50 million.

And people say Twitter is useless.
 

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Well, they are initially set by linesmakers, but the public definitely pushes them. The line movement is still determined by the sportsbooks (people or algorithms that automatically react to wagers based on some set of criteria) so it’s not exactly free market. But good luck getting Celtics at +800 still,
Right, but nothing to suggest the specific lines here reflect the public action being one way yet, is there? If so, that's not how I read the post (but could have misread)
 

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Didn't three accounts go private right after the reporter called him about the other two?
What, he got the message and called his wife and said "oh by the way this reporter called about these Twitter accounts" and she ed-reconfigured the others? Hard to buy.
Yup it doesn't pass any smell test.
Frankly the it was all her doesn't pass much either. But whatever you let him go accepting it and if someone wants to buy it and hire him you point and laugh.

L'affaire Fultz (starting with the 2 for 1 pick trade with the Celtics and ending with Fultz' lost season and phony injury) did more to damage the franchise than his wife's tweets. If I were a Sixers fan I would be delighted to see Colangelo gone before the draft, not afterwards.
Why do you insist on calling it a fake injury? The doctor who treated him has published his work and it's clear it was a real injury and had to be rehabbed carefully.

There's like a professional doctor who is an expert who is like this is what is wrong, here is the rehab schedule and here is what can go wrong and then like a lot of people go well... I know better.
They fucked it up early with communication and then Colangelo wanted to (as we know a lot more about now) never take any blame so questioned if he was really hurt.

You can criticize him very seriously for wanting to pay to move up when ainge was going to pick Tatum anyway, it seems. You can say it was a bad trade as you don't rate fultz, but blaming colangelo for the injury and/ or claiming it's fake is a bit much.

I am pleased to see him go because he's a piece of insecure sputum who doesn't do anything very well.
 

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Right, but nothing to suggest the specific lines here reflect the public action being one way yet, is there? If so, that's not how I read the post (but could have misread)
Yes, you’re right. This is pretty close to the opening line. This fact occurred to me after my post and walking away from the computer :)
 

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Why do you insist on calling it a fake injury? The doctor who treated him has published his work and it's clear it was a real injury and had to be rehabbed carefully.
I can't speak for the OP, but I'd love to read the published work that makes clear Markelle's injury was purely physical. Could you provide a link?
 

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Didn't three accounts go private right after the reporter called him about the other two?
What, he got the message and called his wife and said "oh by the way this reporter called about these Twitter accounts" and she ed-reconfigured the others? Hard to buy.
Is it completely impossible that she was with him when the reporter called, saw him get upset and asked what it was about?

When I get a call - work or personal - that’s upsetting, my better half always asks and usually flat won’t let it go until I vent about it, since she knows I’ll either stew on it or it will end up coming out in the wrong setting/person.
 

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The NBA let the Sixers and Colangelo sort this mess out? I thought Silver would get very involved in the process of dumping BC and give him a year's suspension. So I clearly got this wrong. Credit to HRB and Instaface for reading the tea leaves right here.
 
Yup it doesn't pass any smell test.
Frankly the it was all her doesn't pass much either. But whatever you let him go accepting it and if someone wants to buy it and hire him you point and laugh.
What kind of marriages do you guys have? My wife and I talk about stuff that has happened in our respective workplaces at the end of most days, and I can easily envision Colangelo talking to his wife about X player or Y injury over dinner or in bed (etc.), assuming it to be confidential, and for the wife - delusionally thinking she's helping - taking to Burner Twitter to share.

Is that what actually happened here? I have no idea. But from my perspective, the plausibility of such a scenario is definitely well above zero.
 

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Probably varies quite a bit from person to person, but I try to leave work at work and almost never mention anything to my wife other than maybe "great day" or "could have been better". Occasionally if something is going on with people that she personally knows I might mention details about stuff.
 

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Is it completely impossible that she was with him when the reporter called, saw him get upset and asked what it was about?

When I get a call - work or personal - that’s upsetting, my better half always asks and usually flat won’t let it go until I vent about it, since she knows I’ll either stew on it or it will end up coming out in the wrong setting/person.
Yes Pap, I guess it's possible she was at the Sixers front office with him on the Tuesday morning when the media relations person asked BC if he knew anything about the accounts and a few hours before the other accounts went dark. If she hangs out at work with him, or if he works from home, (ed-or if he calls her every time anything happens at his job) that would actually explain a lot.
 

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Yes Pap, I guess it's possible she was at the Sixers front office with him on the Tuesday morning when the media relations person asked BC if he knew anything about the accounts and a few hours before the other accounts went dark. If she hangs out at work with him, or if he works from home, (ed-or if he calls her every time anything happens at his job) that would actually explain a lot.
Nowhere in the article does it state that Colangelo was in the office that day. The journalist called the media representative who said they would contact Colangelo about the accounts.

I am guessing that media rep called Colangelo at home and either his wife overheard (less likely) or Colangelo deduced that it was his wife and confronted her (more likely) and they decided to delete or set to private those accounts.
 

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Nowhere in the article does it state that Colangelo was in the office that day. The journalist called the media representative who said they would contact Colangelo about the accounts.

I am guessing that media rep called Colangelo at home and either his wife overheard (less likely) or Colangelo deduced that it was his wife and confronted her (more likely) and they decided to delete or set to private those accounts.
This is definitely a plausible theory.
 

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I still it's more probable that Colangelo is directly responsible for the burner tweets and that his wife took the blame in order to secure the negotiated settlement. Either "most parsimonious" explanation is bizarre, however.
 

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Hasn't it been proven some of the tweeter accounts were active and posting tweets while BC was in a press conference?
 

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What kind of marriages do you guys have? My wife and I talk about stuff that has happened in our respective workplaces at the end of most days, and I can easily envision Colangelo talking to his wife about X player or Y injury over dinner or in bed (etc.), assuming it to be confidential, and for the wife - delusionally thinking she's helping - taking to Burner Twitter to share.

Is that what actually happened here? I have no idea. But from my perspective, the plausibility of such a scenario is definitely well above zero.
I think this ignores a few things (and I don't disagree with the premise that it's discussed in many marriages)

1) there is a clear change in the use of language in tweets. It REALLY looks like more than one person. You have to believe that his wife did that on purpose in her second language.
2) some tweets were sent from iPhone and some from Android. Could have two phones could have changed but hmmmm
3) there is reference to things from 30 years ago I believe before she was around
4) there's reference to obscure toronto basketball players and old NBA prospects. Sure she could remember them but also dubious
5) there's the accounts being switched to private almost immediately
6) she bricked her phone before giving it in and THEN admitted it. If you are admitting it why brick the phone. (This could be that they had her nailed by other methods)

All can be explained, or given the benefit of the doubt individually but combined they seem prettttttty dodgy to me.

Separately I worked in financial markets for a long time. Insider trading regulations etc are no joke, if my wife trades I can be prosecuted, my brother, my dad my best friend.
It's on you to control the information, and that's not at the CEO level that's at every level.
Inside info on players and injuries is valuable information. Not sure why it should be treated differently.

I expected Snake Silver to be much more involved, because the sacred cow of sports betting is coming and that shit? No bueno
 

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"Snake Silver"? Really? The guy is pretty clearly the best commissioner in sports, even if Manfred is a worthy 2nd place and miles better than his predecessor. Decisive, judicious, takes the long view. Who could have a problem with Adam Silver, if your name isn't Donald Sterling?
 

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It's pretty clearly a reference to Silver's role in forcing Hinkie out of Philly in favor of the Colangelos.
 

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Yes Pap, I guess it's possible she was at the Sixers front office with him on the Tuesday morning when the media relations person asked BC if he knew anything about the accounts and a few hours before the other accounts went dark. If she hangs out at work with him, or if he works from home, (ed-or if he calls her every time anything happens at his job) that would actually explain a lot.
Your condescension is cool and all, but not everyone sits in their office from the beginning to end of a work day and not everyone works on a Tuesday from 9-5, especially if it's an unconventional job, which this certainly is. I tend to think if the media relations guy did have to call him - and not walk down the hallway and close the door - he likely wasn't in the office. Which you may find odd, but I really don't. So he could have easily been home, been at an early lunch, been running an errand, returning from an appointment - frankly about 4,000 different things that means he could have been in the presence of his wife without it meaning she was filing her nails on his office couch or that he called her to boo-hoo.

The amount of amateur sleuthing in this thread I find remarkably hilarious - given how the collective "we" spent so many keystrokes on DFG - while we were rationalizing perfectly normal things Brady and others did and the outside world cited them as the nail in the coffin. This story is bat shit crazy enough, we aren't ever finding out what actually happened.
 

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"Snake Silver"? Really? The guy is pretty clearly the best commissioner in sports, even if Manfred is a worthy 2nd place and miles better than his predecessor. Decisive, judicious, takes the long view. Who could have a problem with Adam Silver, if your name isn't Donald Sterling?
He forced Hinkie out, and forced the colangelos on the sixers, because Hinkie was embarrassing and then this happens and he wants to pretend it's nothing to do with him.
Forcing out a good GM for a guy who does THIS plus the Fultz trade and risks the most important offseason for more than two decades.
Yeah fuck him

Edit and oh yeah if you think his stance on tanking is moral, I got a bridge to sell. It's about legalized gambling and not having a team playing to lose
It's always about money, and even THEN the colangelo move was dumb and bad
 

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I don't want to sound overly naive here, but did Silver really "force" Jerry Colangelo on the Sixers? My impression was that he merely put the two parties together in an effort to help the Sixers with their optics problem caused by the tanking backlash. Plus the guy was a former owner and GM and Director of USA Basketball; he wasn't some schmo off the street.
 
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He introduced them and pushed Hinkie out, and had Colangelo (Jerry) lead the search for the new GM which was a two day search ending with Bryan.

It's largely agreed silver demanded Hinkie out, whether he forced Bryan as well as or Jerry just took advantage is unclear.
It's hard to know 100%
 

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He introduced them and pushed Hinkie out, and had Colangelo (Jerry) lead the search for the new GM which was a two day search ending with Bryan.

It's largely agreed silver demanded Hinkie out, whether he forced Bryan as well as or Jerry just took advantage is unclear.
It's hard to know 100%

Honest question - do you think Silver acted independently on that (presuming it’s true) or that he acted in he behest if the majority of the other owners, who saw tanking as hurting revenues?
 

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I am the first to defend Hinkie (and LondonSox), but the jury was never in on Hinkie as a “good GM”. He excelled at collecting assets, and hit on a couple of big picks, but he never showed that he could assemble a winning team. Now in fairness, he was forced from his job before the mission switched from tanking for assets to team building, so maybe he would have been great at it. But he never did it, so it’s still an open question whether he would have been a good GM. His odd personality caused him to struggle with certain aspects of the job, and might have hampered him in negotiations with free agents.

That said, there’s certainly no way he would have made the Fultz trade just based on how he conducted his business during his tenure with the team. (And we probably still would have wound up with Fultz.)
 

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Honest question - do you think Silver acted independently on that (presuming it’s true) or that he acted in he behest if the majority of the other owners, who saw tanking as hurting revenues?
I am sure he had the support of many owners too stupid to understand that this was going to hurt them when they next rebuilt.
 

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I am sure he had the support of many owners too stupid to understand that this was going to hurt them when they next rebuilt.
That’s not the question I asked.

Supporting him to do something and pushing him to do something are too very different things. Much like we cite that Goodell does the owners’ biddings and is their whipping boy, Silver is no different. He works for them.

If you’re going to call him a snake and suggest he concocted getting rid of Hinke on his own - and then the owners backed him - id ask what possible motive he would have for that and something beyond speculation (and your own personal affinity for the guy you’re claiming he sent to the cross).

Otherwise, maybe consider that the other owners - stupid as it may have been on their part - most likely urged if not forced him to do it, again presuming your and other’s allegation is true.
 

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Well the theory I already mentioned is that he's so anti tanking because of the plans the NBA has for legalized gambling.
The gambling people have suggested that teams playing to lose is a big problem for bookmakers.

I'm unclear how much that is him vs owners though.

In addition there was the argument that tanking was hurting other teams income, which is mildly true but obviously by the time they fired Hinkie the tank was largely done. If embiid and Simmons had been healthy that next year it would have been.
So while that may have been true it was bolting the door after the horse had bolted.

So in answer to do I know who drove the decision, no. It could have been being him doing as told.

I would LIKE to think owners weren't in love with the idea of pushing this on one of their own. But no I have no idea.

It is worth thinking about the anti tank plans that got voted down that offseason though. So they weren't ready to do draft reform but pushed silver into this? It is possible.

The stories I've heard are that silver was the/a key driver. But I do understand those have high bias potential.

But several account he decided to get rid of Hinkie and asked Stern about it and Stern told him to use colangelo.
 

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I would assume setting a moneyline for a team trying to lose is a vexing problem.

Can you set the # big enough?

Or maybe you take it off the board.

I don't think the tanking issue is a gambing one as much as its an integrity of the game issue. Teams are supposed to compete nightly to the best of their ability. If teams see their best long-term interest is in losing, and the public buys into that, your sport and the regular season games (and those tickets, TV etc) will soon become devalued.
 

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It's never been a problem before, really, and it's not a problem in any other sports.

The whispers behind the scenes are ALL about the NBA getting a slice of every bet on the NBA, it's how Silver thinks they take the next step.
 

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Well the theory I already mentioned is that he's so anti tanking because of the plans the NBA has for legalized gambling.
The gambling people have suggested that teams playing to lose is a big problem for bookmakers.

I'm unclear how much that is him vs owners though.

In addition there was the argument that tanking was hurting other teams income, which is mildly true but obviously by the time they fired Hinkie the tank was largely done. If embiid and Simmons had been healthy that next year it would have been.
So while that may have been true it was bolting the door after the horse had bolted.

So in answer to do I know who drove the decision, no. It could have been being him doing as told.

I would LIKE to think owners weren't in love with the idea of pushing this on one of their own. But no I have no idea.

It is worth thinking about the anti tank plans that got voted down that offseason though. So they weren't ready to do draft reform but pushed silver into this? It is possible.

The stories I've heard are that silver was the/a key driver. But I do understand those have high bias potential.

But several account he decided to get rid of Hinkie and asked Stern about it and Stern told him to use colangelo.
Ok, fair response. But I’d ask in response what Silver himself gains personally from legalized gambling vs what the owners do? How is he driving the bus on any of this? The original plan was to legalize it but the nba got a cut, no? I could have that wrong. But in that case, the owners and players are the ones benefitting. Silver much less so. If that’s wasn’t the case, wouldn’t the motivation be increased attention to the league, which leads to higher revenues? Which again, benefits the players and owners much more than Silver.

I guess I’m looking for what singular motivation Silver would have had to be the instigation. He does not seem the megalomaniac that Goodell does, drunk on his own power. As others have stated, he seems quite the opposite - the best commissioner of the four majors (jury still out on Manfred). No offense meant, but your stance strikes me much more as irrational than grounded in anything.
 

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Most other pro sports are nowhere near as dependent upon a single 19 YO college player to turn around a team's fortune almost overnight as the NBA is.

And all sports want some of the vig

But if the public has no faith in the legitimacy of the product (integrity of the game) who's going to bet?
 

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Free money?
The line is too hard to set?
I understand the issue in theory but not in practice. I assume the frequency of it would be an issue.
If there are any experts I'd be interested
I don't buy it. Tanking =/= automatic loss. It's just another factor that needs to be taken into account when handicapping games. Books post lines on 95%+ probability events all the time, and a tanking team losing is nowhere near that.

If Silver is truly anti-tanking, it's about image, competitive product and all that. Not gambling, IMO.
 

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I don't buy it. Tanking doesn't =/= automatic loss. It's just another factor that needs to be taken into account when handicapping games. Books post lines on 95%+ probability events all the time, and a tanking team losing is nowhere near that.

If Silver is truly anti-tanking, it's about image, competitive product and all that. Not gambling, IMO.
That makes sense, but it's one thing to set those lines on 95% stuff if you accept both teams are trying to win.

If you don't actually know that makes things more difficult.
 

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Most other pro sports are nowhere near as dependent upon a single 19 YO college player to turn around a team's fortune almost overnight as the NBA is.

And all sports want some of the vig

But if the public has no faith in the legitimacy of the product (integrity of the game) who's going to bet?
Which is at least somewhat regardless to the debate at hand. What has been proposed is that Silver had some selfish motive to stop the Sixers from tanking and forced them to oust Hinke, on his own, with no provocation from the owners. You can debate all the details of the individual theories, but I’m not seeing anything convincing me there’s a legitimate stance for that.