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Both of the Youtube links above appear to be taken down, and I had the same volume issue with flymrfreakjar's video (everything is maxed out, but I can't hear anything). For those that don't know, DYJ #2 is airing on the NFL Network this Wednesday at 9:00 pm. If anyone finds a better link for #1, please post it, because I still haven't seen that. Anyone know if it's it's on Netflix or Hulu or anything?
 

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On mobile, you can watch it withing the YouTube app itself. You just need to click through the embedded video.
 

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I was struck by the candor in both Do Your Jobs. I can't recall the player or the line now but I do remember Belichick being surprisingly negative about one of his own players in the first one. It was a player who was not on the Pats the following season.

In any event, in addition to the sheer enjoyment I had while watching, I couldn't help but think about how annoying it must have been for fans of other teams. I get that many will just not watch it but for those who hang in there for whatever reason must hate that their own coaching staffs don't seem to be as thoughtful or just let it fuel their abject hate of all things Patriots. Probably more the latter.
 

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I was struck by the candor in both Do Your Jobs. I can't recall the player or the line now but I do remember Belichick being surprisingly negative about one of his own players in the first one. It was a player who was not on the Pats the following season.
Kyle Arrington, who was released in the offseason and signed with the Ravens.
 

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Belichick wasn't negative about Arrington tho. He simply said he was a streaky player.
We can agree to disagree on the adjective. Not a big deal either way. The thing that surprised me then and still does was how candid he was about Arrington given how he normally conducts himself. Said differently, I'm guessing that Bill's comments there struck many Pats fans as rather atypical.
 

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I was struck by the candor in both Do Your Jobs. I can't recall the player or the line now but I do remember Belichick being surprisingly negative about one of his own players in the first one. It was a player who was not on the Pats the following season.

In any event, in addition to the sheer enjoyment I had while watching, I couldn't help but think about how annoying it must have been for fans of other teams. I get that many will just not watch it but for those who hang in there for whatever reason must hate that their own coaching staffs don't seem to be as thoughtful or just let it fuel their abject hate of all things Patriots. Probably more the latter.
Do we know that there are no other HCs who are capable of this level of preparation and forethought? Are there any other teams with videos like DYJ1 and 2? For example, would the Seahawks have done a video like this after SB48?
 

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Both of the Youtube links above appear to be taken down, and I had the same volume issue with flymrfreakjar's video (everything is maxed out, but I can't hear anything). For those that don't know, DYJ #2 is airing on the NFL Network this Wednesday at 9:00 pm. If anyone finds a better link for #1, please post it, because I still haven't seen that. Anyone know if it's it's on Netflix or Hulu or anything?
Got into #2 after this post, but it closed half way in with my PC detecting malware. I will tune in Wednesday for the remainder.

But, my God, the attention to detail. Julio Jones foot injury detected late season, so they overplay him on one side (unsuccessfully, but the point remains). The pivotal Hightower blitz immediately triggered by an injury and substitution. BB telling them at the beginning of SB prep, please come up with 1 or 2 more two-point conversion plays for the sheet (our last season ended with an unsuccessful one).

I don't mean to spoil this for anyone, just to underscore it's a MUST see.

(And to think good people here genuinely worried on cut day that they left themselves too thin on the interior of the o-line. It's just inconceivable given the level of attention granted to much smaller but still important things. I don't think I'll worry about anything other than injuries again -- and there is no point worrying about them.)
 

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If Marshawn Lynch scores or the Falcons kick a field goal after the Julio catch, I'm sure you could do a DYJ like video about how the Seahawks got a mismatch for Matthews or how the Falcons disguised their man over man to man or figured how to get Gabriel lose against Butler or whatever.

Running Vareen-is-ineligible plays or ending the season with a 3 corner goal line package or three two-point conversion plays is obviously dramatic in a way that exploits the format of DYJ. But to the victors go the spoils. Every close game between good teams is surely susceptible to finding examples where the coaches did a great job in pregame planning.

Edit: The fact that they are there year in and year out suggests the Patriots are better at it, year after year, but I don't think other coaching staffs are just playing tiddlywinks.
 

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Do we know that there are no other HCs who are capable of this level of preparation and forethought? Are there any other teams with videos like DYJ1 and 2? For example, would the Seahawks have done a video like this after SB48?
We don't exactly know. But my take is that the Patriots staff is uniquely talented and the results are what they are.

It's true that some fans of other teams will dismiss The Do Your Jobs as hype. They'll have the kind of reaction I had to all the Jeter ball washing. But whether it's annoyance or envy, or just Patriots hate, or something else along that spectrum, I have to think that a lot of non-Pats will have a strong visceral reaction to the program. Then again, I can't imagine many Pats Haters making it all the way through.
 

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BB telling them at the beginning of SB prep, please come up with 1 or 2 more two-point conversion plays for the sheet (our last season ended with an unsuccessful one).
BB said he did it in part because he planned to go for 2 in non standard situations, such as if the Pats scored first. Boston area commentators, including this board, would have lost its mind if he had gone for two in those spots and it had failed.

We should keep this thread pinned for when the Pats are 8-2 and the season is declared over because they are down a TD.
 

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It's just amazing how much attention to detail the coaching staff places on everything. Watching these two videos is the equivalent of being a fly on the wall with BB.

What other team practices trick plays every week? How many teams would be able to add a new play the night before the SB during a walkthrough in the hotel ballroom? How many head coaches would say we were eliminated on a failed 2pt conversion in last years playoffs, let's make sure we have a couple extra in our pocket this year? How many coaches would have the confidence at halftime (down 21-3) to tell their team that their conditioning is going to make the difference in the second half?
 

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Btw anyone have a link to Do Your Job part 1?
I uploaded it to my backup Google Drive in 720p:

It's currently being processed, but you can already download it if you don't want to wait. In case it goes over quota you can add it to your own drive and then right-click and make a copy there, but unless the link is shared somewhere else this shouldn't happen.

I have also uploaded number two, in case a backup is needed:

As it is just a copy of the vimeo upload it has the same audio issues. I had no issues viewing it with VLC though, I just boosted the volume to about 180%.

Edit: apparently Google Drive videos are embedded automatically, just click the pop out link in the top right of the video to get the download option
 

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I thought it was good, but not as good as the first installment. I agree with whoever mentioned above that they seemed to be stretching things a bit as there were no seminal moments like Butler getting beaten for the TD on the pick play in practice and then recognizing the play in the Super Bowl and "firing his shot". But it was still great and I could watch behind the scenes stuff on the Pats coaching staff all day long.

And yeah, more Ernie Adams please.
 

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Got into #2 after this post, but it closed half way in with my PC detecting malware. I will tune in Wednesday for the remainder.

But, my God, the attention to detail. Julio Jones foot injury detected late season, so they overplay him on one side (unsuccessfully, but the point remains).
This is great attention to detail, but I'm about 99% certain there was a link to an article posted here somewhere in the lead up to the Super Bowl that pointed that out...
 

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If for no other reason than to drive people crazy. I want to send Francesa into retirement on a high note.
 

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I think someone previously may have mentioned this but Nick Caserio's involvement in practices and the important role he plays on game days was really interesting to me.
 

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I think someone previously may have mentioned this but Nick Caserio's involvement in practices and the important role he plays on game days was really interesting to me.
Yeah, I was surprised by this. It seems like the Patriots have a lot of their staff wear many hats. Chad O'Shea preparing the red zone report was another example. I don't know how unusual that is - or isn't.
 

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I think someone previously may have mentioned this but Nick Caserio's involvement in practices and the important role he plays on game days was really interesting to me.
Also, he looks like a lizard.
 

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I agree with most above that this probably wasn't quite as good as the first installment, but I did think there were a few really cool insights. For one, I liked how they discussed in detail their game plan for Julio Jones based on film review of which foot he preferred to plant on but then showed how the game started and Julio almost immediately blew that out of the water by showing he was great going either way. Added a bit of context and made it less like "the Patriots coaches are all-knowing perfect gods" and more like "the Patriots coaches identify tons of stuff prior to the game knowing that it's not all going to work out but with the faith that enough will work that they'll come out on top."

Also, I found the discussion of the officiating crew's tendencies to be fascinating - in retrospect it should have been obvious that they would game plan the officiating crew as well as the opposing team but that wasn't something that I had really ever thought about before.
 

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"Still chasing it" - what an awesome phrase. I hope it catches on and helps drive the team this year.
The journey is the reward, for Bill and everyone he's indoctrinated. Behind so many of their statements is the same sentiment. e.g. Brady's favorite title ("the next one"), no days off, etc. May we all find something to do with our days that we love that much.
 

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Summary of upcoming shows:

12:30 today on channel 4 is Patriots 2016 highlight show
7:00PM next Sunday is the NBC special: Do Your Job, Bill Belichick and the 2016 Patriots
6:30PM on 9/6 on NFL Network is NFL Turning Point:Super Bowl LI
8:00PM on 9/6 on NFL Network is Do Your Job Part 2, possibly the same show as the NBC special, above
9:00 on 9/6 is America's Game: 2016 Patriots on NFL Network
10:00 on 9/6 is Tom Brady Top 10 games on NFL Network
8:00PM on 9/9 on NFL Network is SoundFX: SuperBowl LI

I'm sure there are more, please feel free to add!
A few other programs to look for:

Tonight at 7PM on FS1: NFL Films Presents "Looking Back and Looking Ahead", with stories from SBLI
Thursday 9/12 on FS1: NFL Films: Saluting the Champs
 

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After watching DYJ 2, it has kind of changed the way that I viewed that game. The lore of the game is that once Atlanta scored to make it 28-3, about 18 out of 18 things had to go right for the Patriots to win.

For sure, there were a significant number of 50/50 things that happened in the Patriots' favor, and they got some breaks -- the two biggest being the Falcons deciding to throw on 2d and short and Coleman getting hurt the play before the strip sack. But there were also a fair number of things that didn't go right. A missed extra point, a bad onside kick, Brady getting sacked twice in the red zone, a couple of big plays for loss in overtime and the four quarter on first down, the blown double pass, Brady missing Jules down the sideline, Freeman's wide open 30-yard catch after the Patriots cut it to 8, and of course Jones' amazing catch.

The truth of that game is plenty happened that you wouldn't think could actually happen and have a team still score 25 unanswered. But they just kept grinding. That's really the story of the game. No looking back, no feeling sorry, just approach the ball as it lies and play your best shot and start walking.
My distillation of DYJ2 comes from the remarks before the opening sequence, at 1'25": "really? your team is on the wrong side of a 28-3 blowout in the Super Bowl, and you felt like you had control of the game?" That exposition is really what the video sets out to explore.

The fact that such an unbelievable statement could be the genuine feeling of the entire team, and also in fact be true, is what the essence of SB51 is for me. We talked about it live in the gamethread at halftime I think - we had the balance of success in the game. Probably 60-40, maybe 65-35, but more of our plays were succeeding, and Atlanta looked uncomfortable and contained. Now, our failures had failed spectacularly, which had of course contributed to the score. But the score suggested we were getting bullied and humiliated between the whistles, and that just wasn't the case as you watched play after play.

We've all seen the (rare) games where the Pats just didn't have it that night, and an opponent took it to them, a la KC 2014. We had control there of neither the score nor the game. But Bill packs a lot of insight into that remark when he said they felt in control of the game, just not the score. If true, you can reasonably believe that perseverance will bring the score into balance, because it flows from the success of plays and drives. If not, you're delusional and out of your depth. How often is such an optimistic statement delusional rather than prescient? "Just a fool's hope", as it were? 9 times out of 10? 99 out of 100?

I think the lore ought to be that the Pats were the better team - better prepared, better focused, better-executing - and the score merely obscured that until the game's end. This video really helps make that case.
 

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My distillation of DYJ2 comes from the remarks before the opening sequence, at 1'25": "really? your team is on the wrong side of a 28-3 blowout in the Super Bowl, and you felt like you had control of the game?" That exposition is really what the video sets out to explore.

The fact that such an unbelievable statement could be the genuine feeling of the entire team, and also in fact be true, is what the essence of SB51 is for me. We talked about it live in the gamethread at halftime I think - we had the balance of success in the game. Probably 60-40, maybe 65-35, but more of our plays were succeeding, and Atlanta looked uncomfortable and contained. Now, our failures had failed spectacularly, which had of course contributed to the score. But the score suggested we were getting bullied and humiliated between the whistles, and that just wasn't the case as you watched play after play.

We've all seen the (rare) games where the Pats just didn't have it that night, and an opponent took it to them, a la KC 2014. We had control there of neither the score nor the game. But Bill packs a lot of insight into that remark when he said they felt in control of the game, just not the score. If true, you can reasonably believe that perseverance will bring the score into balance, because it flows from the success of plays and drives. If not, you're delusional and out of your depth. How often is such an optimistic statement delusional rather than prescient? "Just a fool's hope", as it were? 9 times out of 10? 99 out of 100?

I think the lore ought to be that the Pats were the better team - better prepared, better focused, better-executing - and the score merely obscured that until the game's end. This video really helps make that case.
Yeah, if you compare it to the discussion of Kansas City in DYJ 1, it is pretty striking. The halftime score there was only 17-0, but Belichick essentially admits it was a lost cause to the point where he regarded getting lightly outscored in the second half to be a victory.

That said, I sort of disagree about the Patriots being in control of the game. Turnovers always can distort stuff, and the Blount turnover was a big deal in terms of making the score misleading. But that's really all that I think -- the score was misleading. It should have been closer to even. The Falcons were certainly controlling certain aspects of the game, and they were well prepared. They were using Gabriel effectively, their pass rush was fantastic, their defense was swarming to to the ball, they were confusing Brady on crucial plays, and their special teams were doing pretty well. The Patriots were moving the ball, but it took them a LONG time to figure out to try to use the space outside the hashmarks and they were stubborn about sticking to their game plan of going to Edelman and Amendola over the middle, perhaps buoyed by the early pass interference calls into thinking that it would be available.
 

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The Patriots were moving the ball very effectively when Blount fumbled (cost them 3-7 points). They were moving it very effectively when Brady threw the pick-six (cost them 3-7 points, and gave Atlanta 7). Both of those were very uncharacteristic. And then there was the Bennett penalty late in the first half when the Patriots were driving for a touchdown (cost them 4 points). That's between 6-17 points the Pats gave up, PLUS giving Atlanta 7 of their own.

The halftime score could easily have been NE 20, Atl 14. Instead it was Atl 21, NE 3. I didn't say *should* have been, because, well, those mistakes did happen, and Atlanta's defense caused both of them. They ripped the ball out of Blount's hands, and they made a great play for the pick-six. But still, those are mistakes the Patriots hardly ever make. Yardage and time of possession favored NE despite the score.

I wouldn't say they were "in control" of the game, but yeah, it was being played MUCH closer than the scoreboard indicated.
 

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I don't know about the others, but Chuck Pagano is clearly playing tiddlywinks. And unfortunately for long-suffering Colts fans in Indianapolis the tiddlywinks pot is loaded with the Irsay special distilled oxycontin laced tequila.
 

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I think the attention to detail thing gets overblown when compared to the rest of the NFL. And I can't imagine the Pats would tip their hand on an approach they took that was truly unique. Other coaches aren't hearing the Julio Jones story and becoming suddenly aware of the concept of combining the injury report with videotape and determining a particular way to attack/defend a certain player. If there was anything truly unique that played a role in that comeback, it wasn't ever going to be part of that documentary.

Staffs league wide I'm sure do the same thing, some just do it far better than others. It's not chess vs checkers, it's chess vs chess, but Bobby Fischer is on our side of the board.
 

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The Patriots were moving the ball very effectively when Blount fumbled (cost them 3-7 points). They were moving it very effectively when Brady threw the pick-six (cost them 3-7 points, and gave Atlanta 7). Both of those were very uncharacteristic. And then there was the Bennett penalty late in the first half when the Patriots were driving for a touchdown (cost them 4 points). That's between 6-17 points the Pats gave up, PLUS giving Atlanta 7 of their own.

The halftime score could easily have been NE 20, Atl 14. Instead it was Atl 21, NE 3. I didn't say *should* have been, because, well, those mistakes did happen, and Atlanta's defense caused both of them. They ripped the ball out of Blount's hands, and they made a great play for the pick-six. But still, those are mistakes the Patriots hardly ever make. Yardage and time of possession favored NE despite the score.

I wouldn't say they were "in control" of the game, but yeah, it was being played MUCH closer than the scoreboard indicated.
True enough. But it's very difficult to turn these things around, to quit tripping over yourself when you cannot get out of your own way.

Well into the 3rd quarter, it reminded me of the 2005 playoff game clusterfuck at Denver.
 

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I think there's a natural tendency to recoil when a Pats fan writes that BB or his staff is special or different in kind. It looks homerish.

But unless you attribute the Pats' run of success wholly to Brady, and there's no doubt he is due a huge chunk of the credit, I think it's hard not to give extraordinary credit to Bill and the group of people he has assembled. More to the point, I think a good part of their extended, long term success in the salary cap, parity world of the NFL is due to their superior coaching and player personnel staffs.

That's not to say that other teams don't have groups that come up with really intelligent, thoughtful game plans and are not also super prepared. No doubt they do and are. I just think that BB et al are petty special and that we'll see it vividly in retrospect when they are gone.

I also note that players who arrive in NE or once played there seem to frequently comment on how things are run differently on the Pats. The usual response there is to say "well of course, they're trying to curry favor," but that falls short in my view given the frequency with which we hear this stuff and the fact that many guys saying it are no longer with the Pats.
 

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The thing that got me watching the 1st half (at the time) was Atlanta seemed fast everywhere, they were simply beating the Pats to spots, and the Pats seemed unprepared for that speed. That the speed/quickness disappeared mid-way through the 3rd quarter as the Falcons sagged/ran out of gas/choked and the Pats fed off it seemed to me the key to the semi-miraculous win.
 

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The issue I have in figuring out how much credit to give Bill's staff is that you just don't know how much of it is actually attributable to Bill himself and the program he runs.

The staff is obviously filled with a bunch of very intelligent and dedicated guys who work their assess off and for whom football is everything. We know that you don't get a job on Bill's staff unless that is true, and the snippets you see in DYJ and DYJII seem to support that.

But I'm of the opinion that Bill is operating on a plane far above all of the other head coaches out there, and while he has surrounded himself with the right people to support him in what he's trying to accomplish, it all hinges on him being at the top of the pyramid providing organizational direction. I'm not saying that the assistants are replaceable with anyone, but that part of Bill's genius is finding and hiring the right type of coaches who will thrive in his system too. How much credit they should get for doing their jobs as coaches as opposed to how much credit Bill gets for developing the system and then finding the right guys to help him run it is to me a very difficult question to answer.
 
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Yeah, if you compare it to the discussion of Kansas City in DYJ 1, it is pretty striking. The halftime score there was only 17-0, but Belichick essentially admits it was a lost cause to the point where he regarded getting lightly outscored in the second half to be a victory.

That said, I sort of disagree about the Patriots being in control of the game. Turnovers always can distort stuff, and the Blount turnover was a big deal in terms of making the score misleading. But that's really all that I think -- the score was misleading. It should have been closer to even. The Falcons were certainly controlling certain aspects of the game, and they were well prepared. They were using Gabriel effectively, their pass rush was fantastic, their defense was swarming to to the ball, they were confusing Brady on crucial plays, and their special teams were doing pretty well. The Patriots were moving the ball, but it took them a LONG time to figure out to try to use the space outside the hashmarks and they were stubborn about sticking to their game plan of going to Edelman and Amendola over the middle, perhaps buoyed by the early pass interference calls into thinking that it would be available.
Yeah. Closer than the score said, Id agree with. Different from a game like the '14 loss to KC because they felt they had ways to attack Atlanta on both sides of the ball, sure. But in control of the game down 28-3 or outplaying Atlanta at that point? No, that didnt happen.
 

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The thing that got me watching the 1st half (at the time) was Atlanta seemed fast everywhere, they were simply beating the Pats to spots, and the Pats seemed unprepared for that speed. That the speed/quickness disappeared mid-way through the 3rd quarter as the Falcons sagged/ran out of gas/choked and the Pats fed off it seemed to me the key to the semi-miraculous win.
Despite the score Atlanta's offense couldn't manage to stay on the field. That was the key to the comeback, the New England offense just kept moving while their defense prevented sustained drives.
 

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Despite the score Atlanta's offense couldn't manage to stay on the field. That was the key to the comeback, the New England offense just kept moving while their defense prevented sustained drives.
Some of the "preventing sustained drives" involved the Falcons scoring touchdowns so quickly that their defense didn't get much of a break. Atlanta only had four first-half drives and scored touchdowns on two of them, both in five plays or fewer and both taking less than two minutes of game time. They also lost out on a drive entirely because of the pick-six. At halftime Atlanta had 21 points on only 19 plays. It was a weird game.
 

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Some of the "preventing sustained drives" involved the Falcons scoring touchdowns so quickly that their defense didn't get much of a break. Atlanta only had four first-half drives and scored touchdowns on two of them, both in five plays or fewer and both taking less than two minutes of game time. They also lost out on a drive entirely because of the pick-six. At halftime Atlanta had 21 points on only 19 plays. It was a weird game.
That's what I was getting at (I was at work and didn't have time for a full response). I remember the Air Coryell Chargers when I was younger and that was always one of their problems, quick scores on the offensive end kept their D on the field for too long.

I remember thinking during the halftime break "If only they could convert a couple of drives the Atlanta D would collapse". But their insistence on waiting until the fourth quarter to finally start converting took three years off the end of my life. Thankfully those are the years that suck, so I won't miss them.
 

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I think the attention to detail thing gets overblown when compared to the rest of the NFL. And I can't imagine the Pats would tip their hand on an approach they took that was truly unique. Other coaches aren't hearing the Julio Jones story and becoming suddenly aware of the concept of combining the injury report with videotape and determining a particular way to attack/defend a certain player. If there was anything truly unique that played a role in that comeback, it wasn't ever going to be part of that documentary.

Staffs league wide I'm sure do the same thing, some just do it far better than others. It's not chess vs checkers, it's chess vs chess, but Bobby Fischer is on our side of the board.
I just can't see how you come to this conclusion. I'm sure few things they do are unique, but I think the idea that most teams are doing most of what the Patriots are doing is vastly overestimating most coaching staffs.

Mike Tomlin won't even give the Pats some man coverage looks despite being consistently blown out for 10+ straight years because Brady carves apart their zone scheme - and Tomlin's teams win 65% of their games. There are teams where the players don't know the rules to overtime. There are teams where the coaches don't know basic rules (like Harbaugh and the ineligible stuff). There are teams that can't seem to figure out basic things like timeout usage. We had the colts ridiculous fake punt where the coaching staff didn't seem to think that the fact that the guy who normally runs the play in practice was hurt and out would make a difference. We have teams that can't run a basic 2 minute drill.

In addition to all the ridiculous things we've seen teams do, we have a long history of players coming over from other teams and being utterly shocked at the Patriots practices and game prep, and being very open about that, and a couple of years of joint practices and other teams players making comments about the difference.
 

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Regarding the Steelers, I remember hearing a former Player ( may have been Zolak) on the radio saying that if their scheme relies on zone coverage, that's what they play. It's too much of a drastic change to throw something like that out the window in one week.
 

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Regarding the Steelers, I remember hearing a former Player ( may have been Zolak) on the radio saying that if their scheme relies on zone coverage, that's what they play. It's too much of a drastic change to throw something like that out the window in one week.
I was being overly reductive - and a bit hot-takey. The problem with Tomlin isn't that they don't play man - it's that they've basically been using the same defensive plays for a decade (and this goes way beyond using the same scheme), and he does absolutely nothing to vary them. (and they do play a little man, and a little press). They're like the Colts offense from a decade ago - where you could tell what play they were going to run when they lined up - you just couldn't stop it (except now they don't have the talent to pull that off).

There's just no reasonable argument that the Steelers are doing the same level of game prep the Patriots are. They do basically the same thing on both sides of the ball every week, no matter who they're playing.
 

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I think a decent part of the difference between the Patriots and other teams may be the institutional memory that comes from Belichick's longevity with the team. You can see this in the DYJ2 video - they know they can throw in the Kevin Faulk direct snap because that's a play that worked for them years ago. They suspected the flea-flicker to Hogan would work because they had success against the Steelers' zone D on a similar play in 2005 or something.

If you have a team where a new coach (and, usually, a largely new staff) comes in every 4/5 years or whatever, you lose that institutional memory and that buildup of knowledge. Sure, you can look back at film from before the current regime was in place but you might not even know to look back at a certain game, etc. unless you remembered it personally.

Edit: Obviously, that's only a part of it - Belichick didn't have that institutional memory in 2001 or really even 03 or 04 and they still won the SB. It's really more like the cherry on top of the sundae and another example of how success breeds success.
 

simplyeric

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BB said he did it in part because he planned to go for 2 in non standard situations, such as if the Pats scored first. Boston area commentators, including this board, would have lost its mind if he had gone for two in those spots and it had failed.

We should keep this thread pinned for when the Pats are 8-2 and the season is declared over because they are down a TD.
Is that KC with 2 field goals and a safety v. Pats with a safety?

Or did KC go for the 2 pt conversion?

Because I assume you are talking about the Pats being down 8 to 2 in the first quarter tomorrow, and people declaring the season over.

"we didn't score on our first possession of the season... we're DOOMED!"
 

Stitch01

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No, Im talking about when the 8-2 Pats are down 7 in their 11th game and the game thread goes full AIDS and declares the Pats have NO SHOT at winning a Super Bowl.

Maybe this thread can provide some comfort that there is at least a sliver of hope in those dark, dark times.