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I thought Davis was on a 25% contract, and didn't meet the 30% provisos?*

And I'm not aware of any stipulation that you can only have one 30% player.

(*edit: Davis missed a bunch of games in 15/16, and didn't make an All-NBA team.)

(edit2: apparently it doesn't even matter if you qualified for the 30% extension (which neither Kyrie nor Davis did)? That's...weird.)

(edit3: I think this actually has nothing to do with the Rose rule, and is just about them both being Designated Players, and you can only have one signed and one via trade).
 
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I'm not sure this is correct as The Rose Rule changed in the new CBA that eliminated the restriciton of only one of the two contracts could be acquired by trade. I'm also not even certain that Kyrie's deal counts toward one of the two since he wasn't signed under The Rose Rule.

So if this is the case a Davis trade would need to include Kyrie going out or until his new contract is signed.......I think.
 

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Was Irving signed using the Rose Rule? His salary looks like an old fashioned first max to me.
 

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Kyrie got the fifth year on his rookie extension, which is the determining factor in being a Designated Player.
 

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How has this not been talked about more? I listen to a decent amount of basketball podcasts, and there has been the talk of an AD to BOS at some point in nearly every single one of them. And I have never heard this brought up in relation to that
 

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How has this not been talked about more? I listen to a decent amount of basketball podcasts, and there has been the talk of an AD to BOS at some point in nearly every single one of them. And I have never heard this brought up in relation to that
Because it’s an inane rule and the majority of guys don’t even know it exists, let alone applies and are looking for an audience since AD to Boston is sexy?

Not giving you shit, just seems like simplest scenario.
 

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Unless he's willing to sign for the MLE, he's not coming to Boston.
There are some sign and trades with Smart+filler that would work. Would depend on what OKC thinks of Smart at 10M+; Marcus would probably do it to be near Dallas.
 

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How are you putting together $25 million? Remember, you can only use Smart for half his contract value, even if he'd agree to it.
Did you post in the Lebron thread that we'd only be able to get him on the MLE? There were ways to fit Lebron, so there are certainly ways to fit George.

Now, I'm not saying they should, but Kyrie and Morris and flotsam gets it done.
 

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Did you post in the Lebron thread that we'd only be able to get him on the MLE? There were ways to fit Lebron, so there are certainly ways to fit George.

Now, I'm not saying they should, but Kyrie and Morris and flotsam gets it done.
I would probably trade Kyrie for George if George would be willing to sign for 3+ years. I’m not at all convinced that Kyrie sticks around after this year. Problem is that OKC obviously has no use for Kyrie so you’d need to find a 3rd team. George would be a perfect wing for Brad and is still only 28.
 

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Did you post in the Lebron thread that we'd only be able to get him on the MLE? There were ways to fit Lebron, so there are certainly ways to fit George.

Now, I'm not saying they should, but Kyrie and Morris and flotsam gets it done.
No, because Lebron is better than our current max contract players. Paul George isn't.
 

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No, because Lebron is better than our current max contract players. Paul George isn't.
Okay. But that's a different argument, and maybe I agree with you. But PG13 can certainly get to Boston with a sign and trade.

If PG13 mentions Boston then he's likely willing to sign here for more than a year. The Celtics may or may not decide that's better than the uncertainty around Kyrie.
 

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Okay. But that's a different argument, and maybe I agree with you. But PG13 can certainly get to Boston with a sign and trade.

If PG13 mentions Boston then he's likely willing to sign here for more than a year. The Celtics may or may not decide that's better than the uncertainty around Kyrie.
Getting rid of uncertainty is nice and all, but I'm not sure that George is an upgrade on Kyrie. He's not in close to the same tier as Kawhi.
 

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Getting rid of uncertainty is nice and all, but I'm not sure that George is an upgrade on Kyrie. He's not in close to the same tier as Kawhi.
I think George and Kyrie are comparable talents once you factor in both offense and defense. Neither player is a top 5 guy like a healthy Kawhi is.
 

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Getting rid of uncertainty is nice and all, but I'm not sure that George is an upgrade on Kyrie. He's not in close to the same tier as Kawhi.
Personally I don't feel George is as impactful as Kyrie in the playoffs and we're loaded with wings. I never even consider that trade and I feel too many are assuming Kyrie is a rental based on some innocuous report.
 

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You guys are way better than the salary cap stuff than me, but Wiki states AD didn't qualify for the Rose rule

A player may sign a "5th Year, 30% Max" contract before the final year of his rookie contract and before fulfilling the criteria needed to receive the 30% salary grade. Should the player fail to fulfil the criteria before the start of his Designated Player contract, he will receive the standard five-year, 25% Designated Player contract. James Harden of the Houston Rockets and Anthony Davis of the New Orleans Pelicans had such a clause in their contract extensions, but both failed to meet the criteria.[20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap#"Derrick_Rose"_Rule
 

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So, when is Kawhi's intro press conference?

Seriously, this is the obvious approach. Getting Lebron, Kawhi, AD, whoever would be great, but this team is well structured and built to win now. Ainge isn't going to upset that balance unless it makes us demonstrably better. The majority of the trades being bandied about do not do that. Such an interesting off season for Celtics fans. We do something big, great. We don't, we're still the odds on favorite in the East.
 

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A blockbuster was never likely but he didn't rule it out either. These things move quickly and I'm not sure we can read much from a pre-FA press conference. With that said, simple math indicates that he's not BSing here. LeBron is going to LA. George is probably going to follow. Kawhi is hanging out there as really the only possible blockbuster. Where I think it gets interesting is if Kawhi to LA doesn't materialize and Ainge then has to worry about Philly getting him. At that point, he may feel compelled to step in. A team of Embiid/Kawhi/Simmons with quality role players would be a beast of a team to deal with.
 

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Jaylen worked out with Rob McClanaghan this week.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqj257

"Jaylen Brown worked out this week with trainer Rob McClanaghan --whose client list includes Russell Westbrook, Stephen Curry, Kevin Love and Kevin Durant, among others--and McClanaghan came away impressed by Brown's work ethic.

"He approached the workout very business like," McClanaghan told Yahoo Sports. "I’ve worked with a lot of players and the great ones all do that. He’s extremely versatile and you can pretty much work on anything with him and he will pick it up quick.""
 

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There's apparently interest by Golden State, so I don't think the 38 year old is asking for much.

Shot about his career average overall last year, still a good FT shooter, but I can't imagine his defense is where we'd want it.
 

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There's apparently interest by Golden State, so I don't think the 38 year old is asking for much.

Shot about his career average overall last year, still a good FT shooter, but I can't imagine his defense is where we'd want it.
He'd be alright as a microwave 2nd unit guy I imagine, but I don't think it moves the needle much either way.
 

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Should the Celtics go after Jamal Crawford?
Hell to the no. Crawford couldn’t defend Kobe Bryant to a room full of Laker fans. Ten years ago. Besides, it’ll be funnier when the Lakers sign him to ring chase with LeBron and DeMarcus Cousins. Hopefully they find a way to hang on to LaVar ... errr ... I mean Lonzo Ball.
 

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That's what she said.
With Baynes back in the fold 2/11 with the 2nd year a player option, what are the potential moving parts?

Smart, Mook, Terry, Nader I assume.

They aren’t going to be a tax paying team this year for the last year in a long time most likely.

Can they pay Marcus, say, 12 mill per and stay out of the tax as is? Or would he have to take the qualifying offer to stay under the tax line?

They can front load a Smart extension so they can stay under this year if needed correct?
 

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This is good news:
Very important information buried in the NBA's salary cap memo sent to teams: projection for 2019-20 cap up to $109 million, and then $116 million for 2020-21. Cap is set at $101.9M for upcoming 2018-19 season.
This means that the Celtics should be able to afford another max if Kyrie bolts, but only if they let Smart walk if he gets a multiyear offer. This becomes a very interesting decision for Ainge.

Maybe if Smart gets a longer term offer, Ainge will agree to overpay him for this upcoming season for a one year deal to keep him around. Then they could use his Bird rights next season to keep him and sign another max if Kyrie leaves? Is it within NBA rules to increase a player’s salary for a given season, should both sides agree?


 
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This is good news:

This means that the Celtics should be able to afford another max if Kyrie bolts, but only if they let Smart walk if he gets a multiyear offer. This becomes a very interesting decision for Ainge.

Maybe if Smart gets a longer term offer, Ainge will agree to overpay him for this upcoming season for a one year deal to keep him around. Then they could use his Bird rights next season to keep him and sign another max if Kyrie leaves? Is it within NBA rules to increase a player’s salary for a given season, should both sides agree?


You need cap space to renegotiate and increase salary (the Sixers did it with Covington this year and I believe OK did it with Russ so right before he signed his supermax).
 

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What a boring off-season, in comparison to last year, it is going to be if there is zero turnover in the roster
Just shows you how smart Danny is. Re-up Smart and enjoy the rest of the summer. If someone wants to make an offer on Rozier or Morris...let's talk. This team is primed for success. If Lebron goes west and the Celts are relatively injury free next year, I think 65 wins is realistic next season.
 

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Just shows you how smart Danny is. Re-up Smart and enjoy the rest of the summer. If someone wants to make an offer on Rozier or Morris...let's talk. This team is primed for success. If Lebron goes west and the Celts are relatively injury free next year, I think 65 wins is realistic next season.
I think Danny is going to quietly have eyes on Kawhi all summer until he’s actually dealt.
 

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Just shows you how smart Danny is. Re-up Smart and enjoy the rest of the summer. If someone wants to make an offer on Rozier or Morris...let's talk. This team is primed for success. If Lebron goes west and the Celts are relatively injury free next year, I think 65 wins is realistic next season.
81-1 or bust.