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I don't think it is either, the post i responded to said Danny is going to sign Smart, I took that as more than just taking the qualifying offer. I could be reading that wrong.

Though either way, if Smart is here and they use more than a small amount of the MLE, it'll put them in the tax without making other salary saving moves. I have it somewhere around 3M they could spend before hitting the tax if Smart takes qualifying offer and they waive Nader.
From BB-Ref, which isn't fully up-to-date, we were at:

$107.4
+ $5.5 Baynes
+ $1.4 BobWill rookie scale
= $114.3. Luxury tax limit is $119.3.

And that is before:
- Monroe leaving, not replaced (Baynes, Bob Williams, Theis)
- Smart (QO was, what, $4.9?)
- Larkin
- Any Nader cut to save money

If Smart signs his QO, then I think we're pennies under the tax limit. Anything more than that and we blow by the tax limit, and might as well use the full MLE while we still have access to it.
 

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From BB-Ref, which isn't fully up-to-date, we were at:

$107.4
+ $5.5 Baynes
+ $1.4 BobWill rookie scale
= $114.3. Luxury tax limit is $119.3.

And that is before:
- Monroe leaving, not replaced (Baynes, Bob Williams, Theis)
- Smart (QO was, what, $4.9?)
- Larkin
- Any Nader cut to save money

If Smart signs his QO, then I think we're pennies under the tax limit. Anything more than that and we blow by the tax limit, and might as well use the full MLE while we still have access to it.
Those numbers are wrong. The luxury tax is $123.7 million and we are $10.1 million under counting Baynes. That counts Wannamaker too. Williams eats up $1.6 million of that, which leaves us with $8.5 million. Cutting Nader is an essentially free $800,000 if he isn't replaced (he's the 15th man after either Smart is signed or the MLE is used). Trading Morris for a couple seconds and cutting Nader would free up enough space for Smart on the QO and a full MLE deal. I'd prefer Smart signed long term. I also still think it's possible the luxury tax isn't an issue and Ainge takes advantage of the current cap environment to lock in another rotation piece on a good value long term contract while also locking down Smart.
 

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Those numbers are wrong. The luxury tax is $123.7 million and we are $10.1 million under counting Baynes. That counts Wannamaker too. Williams eats up $1.6 million of that, which leaves us with $8.5 million. Cutting Nader is an essentially free $800,000 if he isn't replaced (he's the 15th man after either Smart is signed or the MLE is used). Trading Morris for a couple seconds and cutting Nader would free up enough space for Smart on the QO and a full MLE deal. I'd prefer Smart signed long term. I also still think it's possible the luxury tax isn't an issue and Ainge takes advantage of the current cap environment to lock in another rotation piece on a good value long term contract while also locking down Smart.
Yeah, LeBron is gone, the guy whose roster spot is on the bubble is Morris, and there are a lot of teams that could really use him about now (Houston, Utah, OKC, Portland, etc.).

Especially with the 6’8” Hayward coming back and Semi Ojeleye’s continued development (to go along with the further development of Tatum and Brown). It won’t be hard clearing the space for Smart.
 

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Those numbers are wrong. The luxury tax is $123.7 million and we are $10.1 million under counting Baynes. That counts Wannamaker too. Williams eats up $1.6 million of that, which leaves us with $8.5 million. Cutting Nader is an essentially free $800,000 if he isn't replaced (he's the 15th man after either Smart is signed or the MLE is used). Trading Morris for a couple seconds and cutting Nader would free up enough space for Smart on the QO and a full MLE deal. I'd prefer Smart signed long term. I also still think it's possible the luxury tax isn't an issue and Ainge takes advantage of the current cap environment to lock in another rotation piece on a good value long term contract while also locking down Smart.
Not that I'm doubting you, but how are they wrong? Like, which player's numbers do they have wrong? For example, the rookie scale lists #27 at $1,378,700. Why is it $1.6? Is there some AAV thing going on here?

Seems the new luxury tax number was announced 3 days ago. Not sure how my googling didn't pick up on that but thanks for the correction.
 

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Not that I'm doubting you, but how are they wrong? Like, which player's numbers do they have wrong? For example, the rookie scale lists #27 at $1,378,700. Why is it $1.6? Is there some AAV thing going on here?
Teams can sign rookies anywhere in the range of 80% to 120% of the rookie scale, and 120% is most commonly used as the multiplier.
 

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Not that I'm doubting you, but how are they wrong? Like, which player's numbers do they have wrong? For example, the rookie scale lists #27 at $1,378,700. Why is it $1.6? Is there some AAV thing going on here?

Seems the new luxury tax number was announced 3 days ago. Not sure how my googling didn't pick up on that but thanks for the correction.
I didn't look at their specific numbers, so I do not know how they are wrong. I know they are wrong because the correct number is the one I provided and the numbers you posted are not that.

The standard rate for signing a first round pick is 120% of rookie scale. They could potentially agree to less, but it would be fairly surprising.
 

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From BB-Ref, which isn't fully up-to-date, we were at:

$107.4
+ $5.5 Baynes
+ $1.4 BobWill rookie scale
= $114.3. Luxury tax limit is $119.3.

And that is before:
- Monroe leaving, not replaced (Baynes, Bob Williams, Theis)
- Smart (QO was, what, $4.9?)
- Larkin
- Any Nader cut to save money

If Smart signs his QO, then I think we're pennies under the tax limit. Anything more than that and we blow by the tax limit, and might as well use the full MLE while we still have access to it.
This says the QO for Smart was a bit over $6m

The qualifying offer for Marcus Smart is $6,053,719. If he signs the QO, this is the amount he would play for Boston for in 2018-19. He would also have a no-trade clause, as he playing under a one-year contract that has Bird Rights at the end.
 
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OK yeah I think it's the 120% multipliers that were the difference here, along with the updated luxury tax threshold. That means our available room is:

$123.7
- $107.4 existing
- $5.5 Baynes
- $1.6 BobWill
= $9.2 under the tax right now, before Smart, Larkin or additional vet help.

So we've got room to sign Smart to a fairly decent multi-year deal if he's willing to take something respectable like $8-10M / year, but if we do then either (A) we blow through the tax line anyway, or (B) we'll barely have room for vet-minimum types, nevermind an MLE addition. If he signs the QO, then we have a (very) little breathing room, but of course we also risk losing him after this next year.
 

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OK yeah I think it's the 120% multipliers that were the difference here, along with the updated luxury tax threshold. That means our available room is:

$123.7
- $107.4 existing
- $5.5 Baynes
- $1.6 BobWill
= $9.2 under the tax right now, before Smart, Larkin or additional vet help.

So we've got room to sign Smart to a fairly decent multi-year deal if he's willing to take something respectable like $8-10M / year, but if we do then either (A) we blow through the tax line anyway, or (B) we'll barely have room for vet-minimum types, nevermind an MLE addition. If he signs the QO, then we have a (very) little breathing room, but of course we also risk losing him after this next year.
Baynes is only $5.36M and your not counting the $831K committed to Wannamaker. The numbers are, with rounding, what I posted above. There is about $8.5 million in space under the tax threshold (I could be off by $100k or so).
 

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Actually, Baynes was signed with non-Bird rights, so his contract has to be: Year 1: $5,193,600.00 (fully guaranteed) / Year 2: $5,453,280.00 (player option).

Year 1 is calculated as 120% of $4,328,000 (last year's salary) and Year 2 is 5% raise.

So while it is reported as 2 years / $11M, that's just from rounding.

Cs after Wannamaker are probably $8.7M-$8.8M under the cap.

Here's the latest article (includes Baynes; does not include Wannamaker): https://www.celticsblog.com/2018/7/1/17522546/boston-celtics-salary-cap-luxury-tax-update-aron-baynes-marcus-smart-2018-nba-free-agency
 

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Moving Morris would create that.
Yeah, Morris' job just relocated to LA, Boston is adding a tough two way wing to next year's roster, and Jayson Tatum was better than even those of us touting him last spring thought he would be. Morris is now roster filler here, and there are several western conference teams that would love to add him to their rotation about now.
 

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Yeah, Morris' job just relocated to LA, Boston is adding a tough two way wing to next year's roster, and Jayson Tatum was better than even those of us touting him last spring thought he would be. Morris is now roster filler here, and there are several western conference teams that would love to add him to their rotation about now.
Houston is ideal to replace Ariza. I’d rather use Morris’s slot on a shooter like Ellington, and give Ojeleye a bigger role.
 

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I mean anyone replacing Morris is end of bench depth, so I'm not sure it matters greatly. However it would be sort of sneaky/hilarious if, after Smart signs an extension, Ainge found a way to get Morris and Rozier to Utah (obviously the problem is Utah accumulating sufficient assets). Because that team would be primed to knock out the Lakers and then give the Rockets or Warriors a second round scare.
 

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I mean anyone replacing Morris is end of bench depth, so I'm not sure it matters greatly. However it would be sort of sneaky/hilarious if, after Smart signs an extension, Ainge found a way to get Morris and Rozier to Utah (obviously the problem is Utah accumulating sufficient assets). Because that team would be primed to knock out the Lakers and then give the Rockets or Warriors a second round scare.
With Rubio in place probably not. Morris yes.
 

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If we are trading Morris, it is for cap (tax) relief. If we are doing that, it is not really realistic that he'd go to an over the cap team. I suppose a 3-team deal is possible, but gets complicated.

My sense is the most obvious destination for Morris is Chicago, as they have cap space and badly need wings.

For Rozier, Orlando seems like the best fit.
 

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If we are trading Morris, it is for cap (tax) relief. If we are doing that, it is not really realistic that he'd go to an over the cap team. I suppose a 3-team deal is possible, but gets complicated.

My sense is the most obvious destination for Morris is Chicago, as they have cap space and badly need wings.

For Rozier, Orlando seems like the best fit.
How about the Lakers for Morris?

I'd take Josh Hart for him.
 

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I'd love to see them sign Hassan Martin to a 2 way if he'd take it. He's looked great in summer league in limited minutes and seems like he could help in small doses if they need an energy big off the bench at some point. He's undersized for the nba, but very athletic and still only 22.
 

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I'd love to see them sign Hassan Martin to a 2 way if he'd take it. He's looked great in summer league in limited minutes and seems like he could help in small doses if they need an energy big off the bench at some point. He's undersized for the nba, but very athletic and still only 22.
Are you suggesting they shitcan Nader, sign Bird, and open up a 2-Way spot for your boy Hassan? I might sign off on that, were I Ainge.
 

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I was assuming Bird had played his way off of a two way contract this summer, whether it's with Boston or somewhere else, so adding Martin on a 2 way wouldn't directly impact Nader because that spot is open either way. Sign me up for keeping Bird over Nader though if it comes to that.
 

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I was assuming Bird had played his way off of a two way contract this summer, whether it's with Boston or somewhere else, so adding Martin on a 2 way wouldn't directly impact Nader because that spot is open either way. Sign me up for keeping Bird over Nader though if it comes to that.
Bird's future in Boston will be greatly impacted by what happens with Smart. I don't see any role ever for Nader and Yabusele.
 

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I'm a URI guy, and really like Hassan Martin's toughness. I don't know how he can be an NBA rotation player unless he learns how to shoot threes, or at least hit an 18 footer reliably. What's his upside without a reliable jumper, Kenneth Faried?
 

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I'm a URI guy, and really like Hassan Martin's toughness. I don't know how he can be an NBA rotation player unless he learns how to shoot threes, or at least hit an 18 footer reliably. What's his upside without a reliable jumper, Kenneth Faried?
Doubtful it happens but I wouldn't mind having Martin's toughness/rebounding/defense. Lose Allen and make Martin a D-League player on a 2-way contract. A #15 roster slot, filled by an enforcer with a chip on their shoulder wouldn't be the worse thing. Faried/Montrezl Harrell/Draymond Green-lite. Sounds better than Allen or even Nader/Yabusele.
 

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I was assuming Bird had played his way off of a two way contract this summer, whether it's with Boston or somewhere else, so adding Martin on a 2 way wouldn't directly impact Nader because that spot is open either way. Sign me up for keeping Bird over Nader though if it comes to that.
I think they already have Kadeem Allen on a 2-way, so they are limited to one more (Bird or someone else) 2-way.
 

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The Boston Celtics and guard Walt Lemon Jr. have agreed a two-way NBA contract, league sources tell Yahoo. Lemon played five games for the New Orleans Pelicans last season.
 

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The Boston Celtics and guard Walt Lemon Jr. have agreed a two-way NBA contract, league sources tell Yahoo. Lemon played five games for the New Orleans Pelicans last season.
You'd think this is doing a solid for an ex-Bradley guy but Lemon nearly had a triple-double the other night in Vegas putting up a 19/9/8 line. He also dropped 40 on Maine on night in the G-League last year. He's an athletic, old school city type, baby-Iverson crossover type, playground guy scorer. His claim to fame was that during the Combine 4 years ago he put up a 48" vertical which exceeded both Wiggins and LaVine.
 
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You'd think this is doing a solid for an ex-Bradley guy but Lemon nearly had a triple-double the other night in Vegas putting up a 19/9/8 line. He also dropped 40 on Maine on night in the G-League last year. He's an athletic, old school city type, baby-Iverson crossover type, playground guy scorer. His claim to fame was that during the Combine 4 years ago he put up a 48" vertical which exceeded both Wiggins and LaVine.
He also has a ++ NBA name to such a degree that he should consider copyrighting the phrase Lemon Drop.
 

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when he comes in off the bench, the announcer should say, "It's time for some Lemon-Aid."

Here's an article about his 10 day contracts with NOP last year: http://www.journalgazette.net/sports/professional/madants/20180329/nba-stint-gave-lemon-insight. From the article:

Lemon covered Dirk Nowitzki, watched Kemba Walker up close and learned that his speed is superior to even that of NBA players, but it's only effective if he picks his spots wisely.


“I still felt like I was the fastest player, but it was way different because everybody is way more athletic, taller and longer, and their timing is better,” Lemon said. “Even if I do blow past people, which I was up there, they're still coming. Their recovery time is quick and they're timing my layups. Here, the timing isn't as good.”
Nothing like trying to learn to play against NBA athletes.
 

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I'm a URI guy, and really like Hassan Martin's toughness. I don't know how he can be an NBA rotation player unless he learns how to shoot threes, or at least hit an 18 footer reliably. What's his upside without a reliable jumper, Kenneth Faried?
Leon Powe?