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What would be a fair package for one year of George? Would you trade the LAL pick for him?
 

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What would be a fair package for one year of George? Would you trade the LAL pick for him?
No. I'd give up Crowder and maybe the Memphis pick. Even that might be too much. Crowder might be fair, given George a rental.
 

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Can you do conditional trades in the NBA?

In this case Celts give Indy its '18 #1, IF George extends then Celts give its '20 # 1 or the Clips/Memphis #1, to complete the deal?
 

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I don't care about "fair." The Pacers are trading him*. What is the offer the C's have to beat?

*it would be a useless shitshow for them to keep him for a single day of 2017-18.
 

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Do they have sign and trades in the NBA? If not, I don't understand the interest in George, unless we can get him without giving up much at all. Everything Danny has done has been for the future, and by future, I don't mean 2017-18. If he gives up even one of his potential lottery picks for George on a one year rental (a season which, IMO, Danny doesn't seriously think the C's can contend for a championship), I would be shocked, and seriously confused by what he's doing.
 

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I agree, but Devils advocate- what if it guaranteed you Hayward?
That would certainly change the equation a bit, but I still definitely wouldn't part with the Brooklyn pick, and probably not the LA/Philly/Sacramento pick. I don't know why George would be a prerequisite to Hayward though. Do they have a relationship?
 

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Won't they have to clear cap space either way? I know it's simpler to sign Hayward first, but once they do that, they still need to match salaries, no?
Matching salaries is easy. George males 19.5

Crowder and AB get you to 16. Pre july 1 zeller gets you there and thej some. Post july 1 jackson and rozier should do the trick
 

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Matching salaries is easy. George males 19.5

Crowder and AB get you to 16. Pre july 1 zeller gets you there and thej some. Post july 1 jackson and rozier should do the trick

I think the implication is that we still want to clear room for Hayward. Zeller is part of the plan to make space for the max contract.
 

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They'll match salaries for George but it's not too hard to do that. You'd have to shed Crowder and Bradley and add smaller salaries like Jackson and Mickey into the deal.
Yes, my question is what difference the order of acquisition makes? They still have the same amount needed, right? I guess Zeller being non-guaranteed is the big thing to help facilitate? Renounced vs traded as ballast?
 

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Won't they have to clear cap space either way? I know it's simpler to sign Hayward first, but once they do that, they still need to match salaries, no?
They'll have to clear cap space either way, but on a trade for George you just have to match within 5 million. If you make the trade before a signing, you'd have to clear that extra 5 million in cap space.
 

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Any thoughts on how this makes sense for the C's? George is a very good player and it could be as simple as they want to get as many very good players as possible. However, he has been pretty clear about his desire to go to LA.
  • Would this be the first shoe to drop in a series of moves that would yield a championship next season?
  • Is DA trying to block the Lakers from getting him and thereby protecting the 2018 pick??
 

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- I don't think there is much question that the Celtics would want the Lakers pick (given it would be 2-5) ahead of whatever 2019 pick, but I don't think that's the primary motivation.
- If you bring George here, you secure his bird rights and maybe he enjoys playing for Stevens and stays. I don't think it is fait accompli that he goes to LA, though I do think it is fair when considering what to trade for him that you essentially treat it as a rental.
 

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You Boston folks tell me--I know who Adam is, but would he be in position to have a source like this?
 

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Assuming they'd move Avery and Jae as the players for salary...

IT, Jaylen, Hayward, PG, Horford

First guys off the bench: Marcus, Tatum, Zizic, Rozier....

Mhmm

Still don't want to give up a lottery pick for him though. Sign me up for grizzlies and clippers pick.
 

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If I was the Celtics I don't know if I'd want the part about the extension out there. That increases PG's value.
 

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Assuming they'd move Avery and Jae as the players for salary...

IT, Jaylen, Hayward, PG, Horford

First guys off the bench: Marcus, Tatum, Zizic, Rozier....

Mhmm

Still don't want to give up a lottery pick for him though. Sign me up for grizzlies and clippers pick.
I think if the Celtics trade for George, you can pencil Tatum in as a Pacer.
 

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If I was the Celtics I don't know if I'd want the part about the extension out there. That increases PG's value.
The report sounds like the deal has been agreed upon in principal by the teams and are only awaiting the FA period to officially begin. This also matches up the timeline with Ainge's quote last night of (paraphrasing), "There will be a window in July to get something done."
 

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I think if the Celtics trade for George, you can pencil Tatum in as a Pacer.
If we weren't willing to give #3 for Butler, I'm not sure why they'd include it for PG who the Pacers have no leverage with.
 

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If we weren't willing to give #3 for Butler, I'm not sure why they'd include it for PG who the Pacers have no leverage with.
1. He's the superior player to Butler
2. Using "they don't have any leverage" to undercut a team allows someone like the Lakers to swoop in and steal him away.

I'm sticking with my theory all along that we traded down to 3 for the purpose of moving the player (Tatum) which is why we replaced it with the future high lottery Lakers/Kings pick.
 

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If he is signing an extension you sure as hell will be giving up a lottery pick
That's an independent event though, how does it impact the Pacers? He's leaving them in a year, period. They have no leverage at all. What other team pursuing PG will offer anything close to a lottery pick? The Lakers weren't willing to and we know for sure he wants to go there and would sign an extension!
 

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1. He's the superior player to Butler
2. Using "they don't have any leverage" to undercut a team allows someone like the Lakers to swoop in and steal him away.

I'm sticking with my theory all along that we traded down to 3 for the purpose of moving the player (Tatum) which is why we replaced it with the future high lottery Lakers/Kings pick.
What future assets do the Lakers have to offer? No pick next year, and the strong potential of LeBron/PG make their future picks look pretty unappealing until you get to the 2020s. They weren't willing to offer the 2. I think the Memphis pick is a better offer than anything else teams will be offering.
 

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Tough to see how the Lakers swoop in. They have no picks to trade and they just traded Russell. Unless they are willing to move Ingram they have little to offer.
 

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What future assets do the Lakers have to offer? No pick next year, and the strong potential of LeBron/PG make their future picks look pretty unappealing until you get to the 2020s. They weren't willing to offer the 2. I think the Memphis pick is a better offer than anything else teams will be offering.
Even if the Lakers don't you have to offer enough to force Pritchard to make a move to have this in place prior to 6/30 at 11:59pm to present to Hayward. Allowing Pritchard to wait longer destroys the entire plan for Hayward which is presumably a huge selling point for George to agree to an extension.

So while we may not be competing with another team......we are competing with the clock. And Pritchard knows this which is HIS leverage.
 

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Kind of an interesting scenario. I realize it may just be wait for the money situation and then see but it could also be that Danny only wants to add PG if he's also getting Hayward. Which means right now the Celtics could open the season with Horford-George-Hayward-Smart-Thomas or Horford-JAG-Crowder-Bradley-Thomas.
 

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Like to see this somewhere else besides just the one source.
 

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Even if the Lakers don't you have to offer enough to force Pritchard to make a move to have this in place prior to 6/30 at 11:59pm to present to Hayward. Allowing Pritchard to wait longer destroys the entire plan for Hayward which is presumably a huge selling point for George to agree to an extension.

So while we may not be competing with another team......we are competing with the clock. And Pritchard knows this which is HIS leverage.
Fair point, that's a compelling perspective...we'll know in a week!
 

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Look at what Butler went for. Butler is a better player (according to the advanced stats if not reputation) on a better contract. The price for PG should be less. Levine (young 19 ppg but question marks coming off ACL maybe = Avery Bradley), Dunn (lotto pick last year, incomplete grade = Jaylen Brown), and move-up from 16 to 9 (maybe the equivalent of about #12, so say another asset like Jae, Rozier, or Smart). Now, subtract one of those, say Bradley + Brown. I doubt they trade Tatum straight-up for PG. He was #1 overall on their board so they've gotta be pretty confident Tatum turns into an all star caliber player but cost-controlled for yearrrzzz. Ainge probably values Tatum > George to be honest.
 

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Even if the Lakers don't you have to offer enough to force Pritchard to make a move to have this in place prior to 6/30 at 11:59pm to present to Hayward. Allowing Pritchard to wait longer destroys the entire plan for Hayward which is presumably a huge selling point for George to agree to an extension.

So while we may not be competing with another team......we are competing with the clock. And Pritchard knows this which is HIS leverage.
This kind of cuts both ways, though. If it drags on and it leaks that Hayward is staying in Utah, suddenly the PG extension seems less likely and the C's offer drops substantially.