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They don't have to win on the road, but they do have to fucking show up and play ball. If they no show again in game 4, they are done. If they do show up in game 4, then even if they lose it I'd still think they have a shot in 7.
The Cavs played two quarters in Boston. Why weren't they done? If guys playing with Lebron shoot the lights out they will win the championship. I am betting/hoping they don't do it three more times.

I like what Mark Jackson said about how hard it is to play with Lebron "it's hard to get open shots created for you?"

This is the first game I have watched because my kid has been playing ball. He has a game Monday. So all is good.
 

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I really just think we shot like crap. It happens. We never had a run and the game was never close so it’s tough to read too much into it. Anyone panicking after a game where one team shoots horribly and the other team can’t miss and tries to extrapolate that into the next 5 games needs to watch more basketball.
It was more than that. Yes, they shot poorly, but IMO that was a symptom of them being very tentative on offense. They weren't driving to the hoop like they're capable of doing against these Cavs, and they were passing up open looks for worse ones. Every Celtic just played as if they were very unsure of themselves.
 

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I think the Cs got a bit too big for their britches and everyone thought thy could score no matter who was guarding them. I don't think the Cs hunted mismatches like they did in the first two games.

I don't think the Cs got bad shots, they just got much better ones before. Hopefully they will get back to what thy did before. Points in the paint would help.
 

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I really just think we shot like crap. It happens. We never had a run and the game was never close so it’s tough to read too much into it. Anyone panicking after a game where one team shoots horribly and the other team can’t miss and tries to extrapolate that into the next 5 games needs to watch more basketball.
The Celts couldn't shoot but to the Cavs' credit (even though it was two games too late), the Cavs started running actions on offense and putting forth their best lineups that I had expected from them going into game one. LeBron's usage rate was almost cut in half and Hill's rate doubled which is what they should have been doing all along. If the Cavs continue the trend of Love and Korver playing together off the ball, Hill in PnR situations, and LeBron not bringing it up, the Celts will have to adjust for this is the Cavs at their absolute best. Lue should be sued for coaching malpractice over the first two games.
 

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In sum, SoSH tends to narrow its focus on the hometown team but what we saw from the Cavs tonight is what gives them the best opportunity to win and the Celtics naturally struggle to defend.

Brad will compensate I am sure but if Hill plays a central role like he did tonight and does it well, I am not giddy about game four.
 

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In sum, SoSH tends to narrow its focus on the hometown team but what we saw from the Cavs tonight is what gives them the best opportunity to win and the Celtics naturally struggle to defend.

Brad will compensate I am sure but if Hill plays a central role like he did tonight and does it well, I am not giddy about game four.
Hill was abused on defense in game one in particular. If the Cavs want to put him out there, I expect Brad/the C's to take what is given and go right at him.

And if Korver is out there with Love, they will take that match-up on the offensive end as well. Old Man Korver is massive liability on defense - Cleveland knows this about him which is why they have only been using him for about 20 mpg this series. And a Korver who cannot hit his shots, either because he is being chased off the line or because he is off, is a huge problem for Cleveland.

I agree that Cleveland ran effective actions that got the match-ups they were seeking but the other part of that is that shots fell. 50% from 3p is typically not sustainable and especially if the Celtics can make adjustments. And as was noted upthread, the C's shooting should improve as well. As such, I will be surprised if the Celtics don't keep that game much closer and I wouldn't be shocked at all if they win easily.
 

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In sum, SoSH tends to narrow its focus on the hometown team but what we saw from the Cavs tonight is what gives them the best opportunity to win and the Celtics naturally struggle to defend.

Brad will compensate I am sure but if Hill plays a central role like he did tonight and does it well, I am not giddy about game four.
I don't care much about Game 4 just as I didn't about tonight (expected this result), or how I will about 6.

The only two games that matter to me are home in 5 and 7. If we are fully engaged on our home floor we've got a great shot to hold serve and advance. I don't expect us to sniff a win in Cleveland so I'm not even pretending to convince myself otherwise. Role players typically play best at home and struggle on the road......Hill and Korver can go nuts at home all they want.
 

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I’m shocked to see Al played 30 minutes tonite.. felt like he wasn’t in almost at all in the second half.

One relative positive is nobody played crazy minutes.
 

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This game was an aberration. From the start they weren’t moving the ball on offense, they were just jacking up iso shots three seconds into the shot clock. Sixteen assists all game; it was atrocious basketball. Nobody worked the ball into Al or anything. It was like those brain dead stretches that the backup heavy lineups have for 4-5 mins once a game, only it was everyone for most of the game. It felt like everyone had Marcus Morris’ brain implanted in their own head.


I don’t know what got into them but I suspect they’ll snap out of it Monday.
 
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I don't care much about Game 4 just as I didn't about tonight (expected this result), or how I will about 6.

The only two games that matter to me are home in 5 and 7. If we are fully engaged on our home floor we've got a great shot to hold serve and advance. I don't expect us to sniff a win in Cleveland so I'm not even pretending to convince myself otherwise. Role players typically play best at home and struggle on the road......Hill and Korver can go nuts at home all they want.
Indiana beat Cleveland at home in the first game of their series in what was a defensive battle. The C's can make adjustments on the road too and if the Pacers were able to steal a game in the Land, Boston can as well. I am not saying it will happen but its definitely possible with this Cleveland squad.
 

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This isn't just about the Celtics having a poor shooting night while Cleveland had a great one. That can't explain the complete lack of focus and intensity by the Celtics in the defensive end. Cleveland would have shot worse if the Celtics didn't spend the whole game giving them wide open looks. Boston would have shot better if they were willing to move the ball and create good opportunities instead of chucking the ball up at the first opportunity to do so.

The Celtics weren't ready to play this game and they quit on it at the earliest opportunity. A playoff game.

OK, so it doesn't matter what happens in Cleveland, all they need to do is win the 4 games on their home court? Maybe. It worked in Milwaukee. However, worth considering that Cleveland is a better team led by a better star. Do we really think Lebron is past the point of being able to eke out one road win against a team that could not even muster up a competitive game in Cleveland? I don't.

I don't think the Celtics need to win a game in Cleveland but if they aren't able to actually compete in games 4 and 6 then I think Lebron & co will manage one road upset.
 

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Celtics came out almost ridiculously tight in the first quarter: Rozier and Morris forcing shots, horrible ball movement, Tatum deferring, etc. Lots of horrific misses and easy transition baskets for Cleveland. Felt like they were down 20 almost immediately.
 

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Celtics came out almost ridiculously tight in the first quarter: Rozier and Morris forcing shots, horrible ball movement, Tatum deferring, etc. Lots of horrific misses and easy transition baskets for Cleveland. Felt like they were down 20 almost immediately.
That wasn't a huge surprise to me - what was surprising was how they responded after falling behind early. There wasn't a moment in this whole game where it looked like they would tighten up their defense and go on their trademark run.
 

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The Celts couldn't shoot but to the Cavs' credit (even though it was two games too late), the Cavs started running actions on offense and putting forth their best lineups that I had expected from them going into game one. LeBron's usage rate was almost cut in half and Hill's rate doubled which is what they should have been doing all along. If the Cavs continue the trend of Love and Korver playing together off the ball, Hill in PnR situations, and LeBron not bringing it up, the Celts will have to adjust for this is the Cavs at their absolute best. Lue should be sued for coaching malpractice over the first two games.
With regard to the bolded, the biggest adjustment Lue made was to put TT on Horford. According to this article, the numbers are silly: "When Horford is on the court and Thompson is off, the Celtics have an offensive rating of 107.6, a defensive rating of 80.0 and an astounding 27.5 net rating. When Horford and Thompson are on the court together, Boston's offensive rating drops to 102.0 and their defensive rating explodes to a paltry 112.7."

Brad tried playing Baynes, Monroe, Yabusele, and Semi to try to figure out a way to force Love to guard someone but it didn't work. Also, Morris had one of his poor offensive nights, so he couldn't do it either.

Other CLE adjustment was to pay closer attention to JB, particularly in the first quarter: https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/brown-looks-make-adjustments-after-cavs-limit-him-game-3.

One problem with BOS's depleted roster is that Brad doesn't have many more options. We may see Nader in the next game.
 

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This isn't just about the Celtics having a poor shooting night while Cleveland had a great one. That can't explain the complete lack of focus and intensity by the Celtics in the defensive end. Cleveland would have shot worse if the Celtics didn't spend the whole game giving them wide open looks. Boston would have shot better if they were willing to move the ball and create good opportunities instead of chucking the ball up at the first opportunity to do so.

The Celtics weren't ready to play this game and they quit on it at the earliest opportunity. A playoff game.
Maybe this is a sign that this is actually the youngest team in the league (if I'm getting that stat correct). We act like these guys are grizzled veterans because they've played so well this year in the face of a lot of adversity, both in individual games with a bunch of amazing comebacks, and over the course of the season with the injuries. But most of these guys have little experience at this level and are doing things they've never had to do before. Is it that shocking that after pushing aside the favored Sixers without too much difficulty and demolishing the might Cavs twice that they started taking things for granted? They spent four days thinking "Gosh, we're hot shit, we're going to dethrone the King" instead of remembering what has made them successful. Hopefully, last night's embarrassment teaches them that they have to be ready to play every game, their way and all night long.
 

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A young team, playing with house money got spanked by the best player in the league and his supporting cast. One of the best characteristics about Brad is that he uses tape for teaching not for belittling. Tape from Game 3 will be used for coaching and they'll move on to trying to win game 4. Like HRB said, they may get beat in game 4 but I expect it to be closer and am hopeful that Hill, Thompson, Korver and Love don't play as well as they did last night. Newsflash - none of those guys suck and the Celts aren't the Warriors.
 

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The Celtics/Stevens plans only have to work 4 of 7 times. So far we're 2 of 3.
 

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Even veteran teams lose road playoff games big. Boston played decent defense early, holding the Cavs to 9 points the first 5 1/2 minutes, but turned the ball over and missed a bunch of shots. Once the Cavs made a run, Boston never responded, and never got in the game.

Could it happen again? I don't see the Celtics being non-competitive again in the series. They got crushed in Game 3 of the opening round, and made Game 4 into a one possession game before losing.
 

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They came out extremely tentative last night because Cleveland actually put in an effort on defense. They were in the faces of everybody making it harder for the Celtics to get shots. I think they saw that, panicked, and they all went to 1-on-1 mode. The offense was not flowing and moving side to side. As I also said earlier in the series, it's a make or miss league. Cavs shot poorly in Games 1 and 2 and shot the lights out in Game 3.
 

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Even veteran teams lose road playoff games big. Boston played decent defense early, holding the Cavs to 9 points the first 5 1/2 minutes, but turned the ball over and missed a bunch of shots. Once the Cavs made a run, Boston never responded, and never got in the game.

Could it happen again? I don't see the Celtics being non-competitive again in the series. They got crushed in Game 3 of the opening round, and made Game 4 into a one possession game before losing.
On balance, I'd be happy with a repeat of Milwaukee game 4. Milwaukee dominated the first half of that game, but the Celtics came back and, but for a missed foul call on a Jalen Brown fast break, might have won.
 

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Even veteran teams lose road playoff games big.
Yeah, I think many people are forgetting how difficult it is to win on the road in the NBA playoffs. As has been mentioned, the 2008 Celtics - filled with a ton of gritty veterans with a lot of playoffs minutes - only did it 3 times in four series.

That 2008 team’s performances in Cleveland were especially putrid - they got destroyed by 24 points in Game 3, scored only 77 points(!) in Game 4 and scored an even worse 69 points(!!!) in Game 6.

Now factor in that the core of this Celtics team is really young with limited playoff experience and performances like last night, while annoying, should hardly be unexpected. The goal for the higher-seeded team in any NBA playoff series should be to hold home court and try to steal one or two on the road when the other team has a bad night.
 

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If this was a total goals format, Celtics would still lead by 8. I'm thinking today may be an uncomfortable practice.
 

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So, 2-2 back to Boston.

That was a weird fucking game. It seemed like more stupid came out of the Celtics in that game than the previous 15 games combined. Fought back into it over and over and over again, only to fall apart. A more veteran Celtic team, or a deeper one, probably wins this.

Going forward, I think the only outcome that would surprise me is if they drop the series but still take game 6 in Cleveland. I think all of the other combinations are still on the table.
 

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Do teams even practice with one day off between playoff games? At most, I would think they would do some walk-through stuff and watch some film.
I'm pretty sure there is a media requirement for regular practices to occur on the day before the game in The Finals and Conference Finals.
 

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20 and 21. 20 and 21.20 and 21. I keep reminding myself how damn young our two true studs are. These are great learning opportunities and virtually no players so young have ever lead their team to a title.
 

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They really got their mojo back in the second half. Dumb mistakes and all that but they really showed how much more athletic and physical they are and had long stretches where they dictated the pace.
It’s hard to win on the road in the playoffs. It’s the defending east champs and the best player in the world. So that’s a lot to mentally overcome. But they came close tonight and honestly they seemed so much more confident and almost pissed by the end that I think Cleveland is going to have a very tough time in Game 6 after a likely beat down in Game 5.
After an almost comeback feels like the young C’s grew up a bit.
 

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Cs go cold when they try to play hero ball. They can get good shoots pretty much at will if they move the ball and make CLE's defense try to chase the ball. I'd like to think JT got a lesson about playoff basketball when teams are focused on stopping him.

It's all a great learning experience for him and JB.
 

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Cs go cold when they try to play hero ball. They can get good shoots pretty much at will if they move the ball and make CLE's defense try to chase the ball. I'd like to think JT got a lesson about playoff basketball when teams are focused on stopping him.

It's all a great learning experience for him and JB.
The problem many times tonight was that when the ball was moving it would end up in Smart's hands as his eyes grew larger. That's the downside of ball movement when you have a player(s) on the floor who you don't want shooting as the defense can influence the ball action.
 

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The problem many times tonight was that when the ball was moving it would end up in Smart's hands as his eyes grew larger. That's the downside of ball movement when you have a player(s) on the floor who you don't want shooting as the defense can influence the ball action.
And the Cavs smartly (sorry) goaded Marcus into shooting or helped on other shooters so that he was the only open option. This is a byproduct of having Rozier on the floor - he was the single weakest point for the Celtics all night followed by young Mr. Tatum who showed his age/experience. And when the Cavs went at him, it forced Stevens hand to bring in Smart. Tonight was Smart at his worst - there is no sugarcoating it.

Ultimately, this was the sort of game where the Celtics missed Kyrie in particular but had both he and Hayward been available, I think Boston trounces Cleveland. Without Irving, the Celtics simply don't have a guy who can create his own shot even with defenders on him. Tatum and Brown are likely to be that good down the road but they aren't there yet.

I think we can put the "keep Rozier and trade Kyrie" thoughts to bed after these past two games. Rozier is a very good player but he isn't likely to ever be good enough such that his offense overwhelms his defensive shortcomings/height.
 

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And the Cavs smartly (sorry) goaded Marcus into shooting or helped on other shooters so that he was the only open option. This is a byproduct of having Rozier on the floor - he was the single weakest point for the Celtics all night followed by young Mr. Tatum who showed his age/experience. And when the Cavs went at him, it forced Stevens hand to bring in Smart. Tonight was Smart at his worst - there is no sugarcoating it.

Ultimately, this was the sort of game where the Celtics missed Kyrie in particular but had both he and Hayward been available, I think Boston trounces Cleveland. Without Irving, the Celtics simply don't have a guy who can create his own shot even with defenders on him. Tatum and Brown are likely to be that good down the road but they aren't there yet.

I think we can put the "keep Rozier and trade Kyrie" thoughts to bed after these past two games. Rozier is a very good player but he isn't likely to ever be good enough such that his offense overwhelms his defensive shortcomings/height.
To be fair the only way anyone would be supportive of a Kyrie trade would be if the return brought us a player who could also be an alpha who can create his own shot against playoff level defenses. It isn't like anyone is saying to trade Kyrie for filler so we can hand the team over to Rozier. This is Westbrook and Reggie Jackson......and you don't trade the elite player unless you get a ridiculous return.
 

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The Cavs had 1 or 2 assists in the second half. It was all ISO’s and the occasional gift from a Celtic falling out of bounds. They also only scored 43 points but a lot of that was pace and turnovers (Celtics scored 49). I think Brad needs to think about the switch happy defense. If he’s going to stick with it, go with the Smart-Brown-Morris-Tatum-Horford lineup for longer stretches. Or a least don’t put Baynes and Rozier on the court together with that style, it was too easy for the Cavs. Perhaps try a zone for stretches with Rozier?

I did notice Rozier was trying to fight through screens more in the 4th after happily (seemingly voluntarily) switching into LeBron all game long. More of that please.

Oddly enough, Rozier was a team high +3 (Al +2). The kids were a collective 15/36 from the floor (2/7 from 3) with only 3 assists (JB -8, JT -14). They lost the game. They’re young and this was probably their collective worst game. Hope they adjust.
 
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I'm normally not a blame the refs guy but that call on Morris when he drained the 3 was just atrocious. To me it was obvious that the reason his leg went out so far was because of the contact from an out-of-control Love not the cause of the contact. In any case the shot was off before the contact so I can't understand why the basket didn't count.

Besides taking 4 points off the board it gave Morris his 4th foul. The lead would have been down to 7 and instead the Cavs pushed it to 13. It doesn't get much bigger than that.
 

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But that said, the C's impressed me tonight. They looked lost in the 2nd half of the 1Q and then collected themselves and gave themselves a chance to make a run for it in the 4Q. Didn't happen but they showed resiliency and toughness.

There were plenty of other calls that pissed me off (Tatum getting pushed into Smith, Lebron's elbow to Smart's face, the missed OB call with 2:01 left, Tatum's hand getting hacked on his missed dunk in super-slo mo as Mark Jackson rubs salt in by saying 'good block' as they went to commercial) but I recognise there were others that went against the Cavs (JR's foul on Rozier) and being biased I'm sure I noticed the ones against far more. But that foul call on Morris just transcends the ordinary grievances. I'm not a conspiracy theorist at all (and hold those that are in a bit of contempt) but that was just a bad call. And a very consequential one.
 

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The problem many times tonight was that when the ball was moving it would end up in Smart's hands as his eyes grew larger. That's the downside of ball movement when you have a player(s) on the floor who you don't want shooting as the defense can influence the ball action.
Tatum was a problem here. Hesitant early, meant a lot of extra passes. He was invisible the entire first half. Not a surprise given the situation.
 

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The problem many times tonight was that when the ball was moving it would end up in Smart's hands as his eyes grew larger. That's the downside of ball movement when you have a player(s) on the floor who you don't want shooting as the defense can influence the ball action.
Its also a problem when the players they *do* want shooting hesitate themselves into tough shots.
 

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I'm normally not a blame the refs guy but that call on Morris when he drained the 3 was just atrocious. To me it was obvious that the reason his leg went out so far was because of the contact from an out-of-control Love not the cause of the contact. In any case the shot was off before the contact so I can't understand why the basket didn't count.
I didn't like the call either, but I would hardly say that Love was out of control. He went for the block, and if anything. made minimal contact on a foot that did extend out - even if just a tiny bit.
 

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I feel like Smart is either “in phase” or “out of phase”. When he’s in phase, most of the energy he exerts helps the team. Steals, blocks of Giannis, physical play against bigger guys, key winning plays. He’s still chucking up shots but you can live with it. When he’s out of phase, he’s expending the same level of energy but a lot of it is at cross purposes to the team and you get turnovers, dumb fouls, bad gambles, technicals, etc.
 

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I feel like Smart is either “in phase” or “out of phase”. When he’s in phase, most of the energy he exerts helps the team. Steals, blocks of Giannis, physical play against bigger guys, key winning plays. He’s still chucking up shots but you can live with it. When he’s out of phase, he’s expending the same level of energy but a lot of it is at cross purposes to the team and you get turnovers, dumb fouls, bad gambles, technicals, etc.
If you charted my interest in bringing Smart back on a semi-lucrative long-term deal, it would basically look like a sine curve. It's like the Tony Allen experience x 10. Must be an Oklahoma State thing.
 

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That first quarter was atrocious. Were they trying too hard to come out fast and were so jacked up they were missing dunks and layups? It was excruciating to watch. And when you're down big to a team with Lebron it's so hard to make it all the way back (even though they have) because it feels like any time we're teetering on making it a 7 or 8 point game, he can go ISO and push it back to double-digits.

Oh well, role players and young players play better at home.
 

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If you charted my interest in bringing Smart back on a semi-lucrative long-term deal, it would basically look like a sine curve. It's like the Tony Allen experience x 10. Must be an Oklahoma State thing.
I'm not particularly worried about signing Smart, if they do so, since as DeJesus notes above much of Smart's bad play in the last few games has been due to being placed in situations where he isn't great, namely being a ball-dominant, shot-creating guard, which obviously he is not. With Kyrie and Hayward back, Smart can focus much more of his energy on defense and play more as an off-ball guard who can cut, pass, and take the occasional open spot-up three.
 

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I'm not particularly worried about signing Smart, if they do so, since as DeJesus notes above much of Smart's bad play in the last few games has been due to being placed in situations where he isn't great, namely being a ball-dominant, shot-creating guard, which obviously he is not. With Kyrie and Hayward back, Smart can focus much more of his energy on defense and play more as an off-ball guard who can cut, pass, and take the occasional open spot-up three.
When has this ever been Smart's game? We all would love for him to be our Draymond/Rodman/Bowen but he's always been a high volume (bad) shooter even in college. It will only be more frustrating when there is ball movement and he's taking those shots instead of Kyrie and Hayward after he gets paid, IF he gets paid here (which I am far from certain will occur).
 

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When has this ever been Smart's game? We all would love for him to be our Draymond/Rodman/Bowen but he's always been a high volume (bad) shooter even in college. It will only be more frustrating when there is ball movement and he's taking those shots instead of Kyrie and Hayward after he gets paid, IF he gets paid here (which I am far from certain will occur).
Smart is not a high volume shooter. His per 36 FGA this year are only above Baynes and Theis for the regulars. And looking back over the past few seasons, he seems to always hover around 11.5 FGA per 36, which is consistently around 10th on the team.

He is a bad shooter though
 

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When has this ever been Smart's game? We all would love for him to be our Draymond/Rodman/Bowen but he's always been a high volume (bad) shooter even in college. It will only be more frustrating when there is ball movement and he's taking those shots instead of Kyrie and Hayward after he gets paid, IF he gets paid here (which I am far from certain will occur).
As moops points out he's really not a "high-volume" shooter (like the other Marcus), although I'm in full agreement that, as bad as a shooter as Smart is, he does shoot too much. My point was just that, if you assume he is going to take X number of shots during the season I would prefer those to be in the flow of the offense rather than trying to create his own shot, which he simply can't do, and that the likelihood that he is taking better shots will inevitably increase when Kyrie and Hayward are back.
 

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Smart is not a high volume shooter. His per 36 FGA this year are only above Baynes and Theis for the regulars. And looking back over the past few seasons, he seems to always hover around 11.5 FGA per 36, which is consistently around 10th on the team.

He is a bad shooter though
I worded that poorly. For someone who should be a non-shooter he "actively" looks for his offense which isn't what an ideal defensive specialist should be doing. I don't expect this to change unless Smart willingly changes his approach as his shot selection was still poor even when paired with Kyrie.
 

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I worded that poorly. For someone who should be a non-shooter he "actively" looks for his offense which isn't what an ideal defensive specialist should be doing. I don't expect this to change unless Smart willingly changes his approach as his shot selection was still poor even when paired with Kyrie.
There's no way he's going to change when we hear Stevens tell us publicly that he wants him to shoot. Now, there could be a conversation in offseason--you're going to get paid, so here's what the role will be.
 

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Tatum was a problem here. Hesitant early, meant a lot of extra passes. He was invisible the entire first half. Not a surprise given the situation.
In a way, I'm happy that this is taking place right now. All of this playoff experience (good and bad) is going to make him a MUCH better player in the next few years. I think we will all look back on this Cavs series, regardless of the outcome, as a key moment for the young core of this team learning about playoff basketball. The next time on this stage will be much different for Tatum and Brown.