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berniecarbo1

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Bad football team in a small market means none of the big conferences want to go out of their way for them. But why aren't the in the Big East for everything except for football?
Football drives the bus in college sports. If you are going to step up from the G5 to the P5, you need to have some sort of football "hook" to make you enticing to a P5 conference. That means either your program is in a major TV market, your program is in a part of the country that has lots of P5 high school talent, it is a "Boise" type program where it has some media power on the G5 level and can go mano a mano with many mid and high level P5 teams, or combinations of the above. Basketball programs are nice but they do not really factor into P5 conference invitations.

UConn football does not meet any of the categories that a P5 program is looking for. They are in college sports purgatory at this point. They have a dominant women's basketball program but that is irrelevant to P5 consideration. Their men's hoops is mediocre to poor at this point. Hurley may bring it back but at the end of the day it honestly doesn't do much for the P5 argument. It's a nice "to have" but not a "need to have" for P5 admission. The football team? No one cares about it, it is in bad shape, not in a football recruiting hotbed, major media market or a "Boise" type program. It just isn't. In fact I can think of three (3) programs in the AAC that meet more of the "requirements" than UConn does at this point...Temple, UCF and SMU. I think any of those programs are more likely to jump to P5 status before UConn ever gets there.
 

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I hope URI gives Pete Gillen a call. I was surprised he got out of the game so young. He was fantastic at Xavier and we all remember the 97 Friars.

Bobby Gonzales can be his right hand man and they will bring the NYC pipeline to Kingston.
 

Clears Cleaver

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Good point about TBE money. I doubt Ollie wants his personal stuff public so I'm guessing he settles for a portion of what he's owed. Some of the stuff I've heard about him is off the charts scandalous that caused his messy divorce, player transfers, etc and likely would prevent him from ever getting another head job (see what I did here).
Lolol. Yes. He was a total train wreck.
 

Clears Cleaver

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Football drives the bus in college sports. If you are going to step up from the G5 to the P5, you need to have some sort of football "hook" to make you enticing to a P5 conference. That means either your program is in a major TV market, your program is in a part of the country that has lots of P5 high school talent, it is a "Boise" type program where it has some media power on the G5 level and can go mano a mano with many mid and high level P5 teams, or combinations of the above. Basketball programs are nice but they do not really factor into P5 conference invitations.

UConn football does not meet any of the categories that a P5 program is looking for. They are in college sports purgatory at this point. They have a dominant women's basketball program but that is irrelevant to P5 consideration. Their men's hoops is mediocre to poor at this point. Hurley may bring it back but at the end of the day it honestly doesn't do much for the P5 argument. It's a nice "to have" but not a "need to have" for P5 admission. The football team? No one cares about it, it is in bad shape, not in a football recruiting hotbed, major media market or a "Boise" type program. It just isn't. In fact I can think of three (3) programs in the AAC that meet more of the "requirements" than UConn does at this point...Temple, UCF and SMU. I think any of those programs are more likely to jump to P5 status before UConn ever gets there.
Well, they are in a huge media market. Uconn has historically had better ratings in Boston than BC and in NYC than stj/RU. But otherwise yes. Also overstating BCs role. When the ACC chose Louisville when Uconn was the front-runner it was because FSU and Clemson demanded it. Unc and Duke wanted Uconn. Football won with an assist from ESPN. BC /Cuse didn’t want Uconn for obvious reasons.

Adding a commuter school like Louisville with no discernible media market control but guarantees of new stadium and investments by Papa Johns was enough, especially since Uconn wasn’t exactly loved by most due to Calhoun and wasn’t a screaming buy for all the reasons you mentioned above. Louisville has s a joke but jurich did a great job selling, too.

The big east would love Uconn. But is that conference really viable long term? Their tv rights and exposure suck and eventually their coaches will all go to P5 (see Mack ). Without jay wright the conference is really nothing. He’s making less than Hurley now, I’d love to be his agent. It’s just a matter of time until the P5 runs out of things to spend on to improve football so so if the $40m will go to hoops. Most of that to the head coach. No way BE can compete. So Uconn plugs away w football and hopes ND
Joins ACC for all sports and Uconn is 16. Or maybe hoops only and football goes independent or is dropped.

Uconn tier 3 rights are more than what big east teams get for their full tv contracts. Uconn women get better ratings I think than BE schools. That’s obviously going to go to 0 day geno retires but puts in perspective #s
 

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The big east would love Uconn. But is that conference really viable long term? Their tv rights and exposure suck and eventually their coaches will all go to P5 (see Mack ). Without jay wright the conference is really nothing. He’s making less than Hurley now, I’d love to be his agent. It’s just a matter of time until the P5 runs out of things to spend on to improve football so so if the $40m will go to hoops. Most of that to the head coach. No way BE can compete. So Uconn plugs away w football and hopes ND
Joins ACC for all sports and Uconn is 16. Or maybe hoops only and football goes independent or is dropped.
The first sentence here is correct (for basketball). Everything after it is a trainwreck. The Big East's deal with FOX runs through 2025 and it dwarfs every rights deal except the P5. It was negotiated at the perfect time for the BE. The conference just had two #1 seeds in the tournament and by several measures has been a top 3 conference in the NCAA every year since 2015.
I don't see how Chris Mack leaving for a top 6 job in college basketball is damning for the Big East.

Unless FOX has an out that I haven't read about, the Big East will be just fine for the foreseeable future. What the conference really needs is Georgetown and Marquette to turn all the money they spend on MBB into some wins.
 

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Wasn’t he part of the paying the agent thing? He coached quinnipiac after he was let go by Uconn for the scandal with the trainer agent payment thing I think
He was never let go by Uconn. Quinnipiac hired him when he was still a Uconn assistant and deservedly fired his ass last year thank god.
 

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Apropos to nothing.......

I find it mildly amusing that Thad Matta, who at age 50 is likely finished coaching due to recurring back surgeries (just had his 5th I believe), is required to "search for work" or the next 3 seasons per his $9m buyout agreement with Ohio State. Hey, why announce you're retired when you can sit down for a 30-minute lunch with the Pitt AD to satisfy a contract requirement?

I hope he at least picked up the tab.
 

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Hurley has turned around two programs in two opportunities. Nobody is certain to be able to succeed/recruit at a big-time program but his resume certainly shows him to be as capable as anyone coming up through the ranks.
Great hire by UConn. Add in that his dad is considered one of the greatest HS coaches ever and he knows/recruits Northeast hoops (wired in with AAU coaches)
 

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Why isn't UConn in a power five conference? Over the past twenty years they've been one of the five or ten best men's programs and of course, the women are otherworldly. Was there some behind the scenes stuff?
UConn got screwed by BC (wanted control of NE), Syracuse (groveled for numerous years to join the ACC), Notre Dame (wouldn't share football revenue with rest of Big East) and the other Catholic schools in the Big East (they refused to build Div1 football programs - GTown/Nova are the most criminal here).

UConn did everything in their power to make the BIG East a power conference. They built a Div2 football team into a respectable program and obviously, their hoops success is legendary.

Just about all of NCAA basketball is jealous of Calhoun and Gino's success.
 
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UConn got screwed by BC (wanted control of NE), Syracuse (groveled for numerous years to join the ACC), Notre Dame (wouldn't share football revenue with rest of Big East) and the other Catholic schools in the Big East (they refused to build Div1 football programs - GTown/Nova are the most criminal here).

UConn did everything in their power to make the BIG East a power conference. They built a Div2 football team into a respectable program and obviously, their hoops success is legendary.

Just about all of NCAA basketball is jealous of Calhoun and Gino's success.
Were the Catholic schools in the Big East ever seriously considering D1 football? They probably realized (correctly) that they'd have been better off lighting a pile of money on fire than chasing imaginary D1 football glories in the barren Northeast.
 

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Were the Catholic schools in the Big East ever seriously considering D1 football? They probably realized (correctly) that they'd have been better off lighting a pile of money on fire than chasing imaginary D1 football glories in the barren Northeast.
Nova was invited to the Big East for football in 2010 (Nova won the 2009 FCS title). Nova wanted in for football but needed time to figure out a stadium and other stuff, and then the football schools had second thoughts and it was never voted on, and then Pitt, Syracuse, WVU left. None of the other basketball schools was interested. Big East football made numerous mistakes 2009-2012, when they really couldn't afford any.
 

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UConn got screwed by BC (wanted control of NE), Syracuse (groveled for numerous years to join the ACC), Notre Dame (wouldn't share football revenue with rest of Big East) and the other Catholic schools in the Big East (they refused to build Div1 football programs - GTown/Nova are the most criminal here).

UConn did everything in their power to make the BIG East a power conference. They built a Div2 football team into a respectable program and obviously, their hoops success is legendary.

Just about all of NCAA basketball is jealous of Calhoun and Gino's success.
Why are GTown and Nova obligated to build D1 football programs?
 

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Why are GTown and Nova obligated to build D1 football programs?
They aren't. It's the height of fiscal irresponsibility to spend the kind of money we're talking about to have a BCS football program. They figured that out and passed.
Just ask Umass what it's like to go down that road; plus it's a whole different ballgame when an institution is public vs private.
 

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Curious what future job Porter Moser will parlay this Loyola run into? Have to think a plum Big 10 job.
A lot of worry about this on campus. Even before the tournament started, Loyola's president was publicly talking about giving Moser a new contract. He currently pulls in $429,000. I don't know how high the university can realistically go given that there's a very tiny base of athletic boosters, a tiny arena (seats a hair under 5,000), and no promise of a long-term revenue bump from this run. In other words, any large program that wanted to, Power 5 or not, could blow away a Loyola offer.

That said, I don't think he's a super attractive candidate to bigger programs. He's 14 years into his head coaching career, and this is his first tournament appearance. Before this season, his career record was under .500. He's a smart recruiter, but doesn't routinely pull in players that have seemingly better offers; he doesn't punch above his weight on the recruiting trail.

But given how well Moser teaches the game, the style his teams play, and the excellent academic track record he maintains...he could be a great fit for an Ivy. Grace Calhoun hired him at Loyola and then moved to Penn, but Steve Donahue probably did enough this season to by himself a couple more years.

It would be heartbreak if he left. He's a local guy (from Naperville), Jesuit educated (Creighton), and a fixture around campus. I think Loyola finds a way to keep him.
 
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Why are GTown and Nova obligated to build D1 football programs?
The Catholic schools weren't obligated and it was not in their financial interest to play D1 football. completely understand

and ND wasn't obligated to share their $$$
and Cuse, Pitt and Louisville weren't obligated to stick around

and there goes the Big East.
 

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The Catholic schools weren't obligated and it was not in their financial interest to play D1 football. completely understand

and ND wasn't obligated to share their $$$
and Cuse, Pitt and Louisville weren't obligated to stick around

and there goes the Big East.
ND sort of shared their money by playing and paying 2-3 Big East schools each season.

Cuse et al would have been more likely to stay had John Marrinato not turned down ESPN's $10m/yr/school deal in 2010/11. At the time Big Ten and SEC were in the $15m range, but then the Pac-10 signed a $20m deal and Marrinato got delusions of grandeur, thinking he could get more $$ from Fox or fledgling NBCSN. After Cuse and Pitt bolted, the Big East/American signed a $2m/yr/school deal with ESPN. Had Marrinato just signed that first ESPN deal, even if those schools left, the remaining schools would have received larger exit fees and made 5x more per season.
 

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A lot of worry about this on campus. Even before the tournament started, Loyola's president was publicly talking about giving Moser a new contract. He currently pulls in $429,000. I don't know how high the university can realistically go given that there's a very tiny base of athletic boosters, a tiny arena (seats a hair under 5,000), and no promise of a long-term revenue bump from this run. In other words, any large program that wanted to, Power 5 or not, could blow away a Loyola offer.

That said, I don't think he's a super attractive candidate to bigger programs. He's 14 years into his head coaching career, and this is his first tournament appearance. Before this season, his career record was under .500. He's a smart recruiter, but doesn't routinely pull in players that have seemingly better offers; he doesn't punch above his weight on the recruiting trail.

But given how well Moser teaches the game, the style his teams play, and the excellent academic track record he maintains...he could be a great fit for an Ivy. Grace Calhoun hired him at Loyola and then moved to Penn, but Steve Donahue probably did enough this season to by himself a couple more years.

It would be heartbreak if he left. He's a local guy (from Naperville), Jesuit educated (Creighton), and a fixture around campus. I think Loyola finds a way to keep him.
He is a Majerus disciple, that goes a long way I think. He can get a lower tier Big 10 job.
 

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Siena coach Jimmy Patsos resigned Friday, weeks after the college opened what has become a wide-ranging investigation that unearthed allegations of problems ranging from abusive conduct to financial improprieties within the program.The move came more than a month after the end of an 8-24 season that matched Siena’s third-worst since the school in Loudonville, New York, moved to the Division I level in 1976. Patsos still had the backing of athletic director John D’Argenio after the season and was expected to return, until the college opened its probe when a manager who has a mental disorder came forward with allegations of verbal abuse.

http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/04/13/siena-coach-jimmy-patsos-resigns-amid-investigation/
 

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Porter Moser signs new deal with Loyola, runs through 2025-26 season. No details yet.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/loyola-porter-moser-reach-contract-extension-details/

But working on campus, I hear things. First, the negotiation was protracted because our adjuncts were trying to unionize and held a 1 day walk out. They were threatening another when a deal was reached last week. That took up a lot of administrative bandwidth.

The deal is probably around $1m a season with a negotiated buy out and some agreements to invest in assistant salaries, recruiting budget, and facilities. Keep in mind Loyola built a new athletics training center 5 years ago as well as announced back in the fall intentions to build a new annex to that building (with full volleyball/basketball practice court). This should set them up very well in the MVC and make them more competitive for recruits who make campus visits.