Jurassic World 3: Where the Dinosaurs have Quad Injuries and Hate Their Shoe Deals

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Kyrie was pretty clear that he's committed to the team for a few years yet, on Bill Simmons' podcast a few weeks ago. It's not in the "transcript highlights" text there but he definitely talked about it.

So I don't know what you mean about "making some noises", but the literal noises I heard were wanting to see where the Boston ride ends up.
 

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Kyrie is also making some noises about not being sure he'll re-sign, and he previously got sick of playing on a team that had made 3 straight NBA finals because they weren't featuring him enough or something.

I'd jump on a Kyrie for Kawhi trade if Kawhi indicated any sort of openness to staying.
Per Zach Lowe the Celtics are confident they will get Kyrie to stay.
 

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From what I can tell, the rumors started when he was in Cleveland because he spoke with other players on the team about having a desire to play in NYC. I think it's certainly a possibility, but pretty low at this point compared to the likelihood of Kawhi bouncing.
 

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In his interview with Simmons, all he said was that he cant predict the future and he doesnt know where he is in a few years. People are so used to hearing athletes fawn over there current team to placate fans that people freak out a little when someone's honest.

He was non-commital, and I dont expect anything else from what weve learned about Kyrie. Its fine.
 

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Kyrie was pretty clear that he's committed to the team for a few years yet, on Bill Simmons' podcast a few weeks ago. It's not in the "transcript highlights" text there but he definitely talked about it.

So I don't know what you mean about "making some noises", but the literal noises I heard were wanting to see where the Boston ride ends up.
It was a game of telephone. As JC notes, it started last year before he was even on the Celtics, and the “noises” this year came about when he was asked about signing an extension and like every other player who isn’t actually a free agent, said he’s going to see how things go.
 

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It was a game of telephone. As JC notes, it started last year before he was even on the Celtics, and the “noises” this year came about when he was asked about signing an extension and like every other player who isn’t actually a free agent, said he’s going to see how things go.
Yeah, the only thing that worries me here is that it isn't that hard for him to say "I'm not signing now for financial reasons, but I intend to sign with the Celtics if they offer me the max, barring some drastic change."
 

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They might say it privately to a GM, but yeah they won't say it publicly for obvious reasons.
How would it benefit the player by sharing this info with his GM? The downside is that the GM could move him to a less desirable a location. The upside is none.
 

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Upside is that the GM (of a location he'd like to be for a while) will acquire him in the first place, since it will make the GM likelier to offer more assets to gain his services, since the GM's own NPV estimate would tick way up.
 

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So, doesn't the Lakers taking themselves out of the Kawhi hunt maybe bring the Celtics back into it? The Spurs are now in position of riding out Kawhi's deal or trading him at rental rates, which means Jaylen wouldn't have to be part of a Celtics offer.
 

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So, doesn't the Lakers taking themselves out of the Kawhi hunt maybe bring the Celtics back into it? The Spurs are now in position of riding out Kawhi's deal or trading him at rental rates, which means Jaylen wouldn't have to be part of a Celtics offer.
With LeBron out of the way, I don’t see the need to give up additional assets for Kawhi rental. Matching salaries without Jaylen or Kyrie is nearly impossible if the Spurs aren’t interested in Smart. My hunch is that Philly bites the bullet and traded for Kawhi.
 

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I feel like we need to be reminded of some of the history of why SA and LAL hate each other so much, beyond just merely competing for the title.


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I hadn't heard about the last game of the 1994 season, but that is one of the pettiest things I've ever seen and is pretty spectacular. I guess Popovich was re-hired as GM a few weeks later, so that pre-dates him, but the beef runs pretty deep.
 

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I feel like we need to be reminded of some of the history of why SA and LAL hate each other so much, beyond just merely competing for the title.


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I hadn't heard about the last game of the 1994 season, but that is one of the pettiest things I've ever seen and is pretty spectacular. I guess Popovich was re-hired as GM a few weeks later, so that pre-dates him, but the beef runs pretty deep.
Thanks for sharing. I've been trying to communicate just how much Spurs fans HATE the Lakers. When I lived in SA, I would see literal fistfights in the arena between fans. You don't see that very often in the NBA, at least I haven't watching the Celtics.

Phil Jackson's asterisk comment after the Spurs won in 1999 really, really pissed off Spurs fans.
 

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My grandfather has been a Spurs season ticket holder for decades. He is passionate about three things, real estate, the Spurs, and scuba diving. About the only subjects I can't raise with him (lest he get way too worked up for an 88-year-old) are global warming destroying coral reefs, and the Lakers.
 

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My grandfather has been a Spurs season ticket holder for decades. He is passionate about three things, real estate, the Spurs, and scuba diving. About the only subjects I can't raise with him (lest he get way too worked up for an 88-year-old) are global warming destroying coral reefs, and the Lakers.
Nice. Was he part of the original Baseline Bums?
 

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No idea, haven't explored it with him, but last time I went to some game with him (against Toronto, there was a buzzer-beater), we were in seats halfway to heaven, so he clearly hasn't put bottom dollar into keeping the best seats he could.
 

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Kawhi to the Lakers is priced as a done deal per the betting markets.

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To be clear in case it wasn't to all, this is for NEXT season. Kawhi is going to have to leave a ton of contract money on the table. I'm sure he can recoup a good piece of it to play where he wants and to create a top contender.

The Kawhi to Boston dream is done. It's either Philly, the Spurs, sitting out the season or some late entry into the sweepstakes. The only realistic way a deal could work is if Smart's best offer came from the Spurs.....in which case there would be no reason for Pop to sign-n-trade for him.
 

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Kawhi to the Lakers is priced as a done deal per the betting markets.

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LOL at "sharp money" and MyBookie appearing in the same sentence. The reason the Lakers are favorites to win the championship is because of how square that place is. No other book has them anywhere closet to that. I've made so much money off their stupid odds that they won't let me bet there anymore...after just 6 months. Sure, they had Lebron at -5000, but they were also the only ones carrying that market. All other books took it down because Lakers was a foregone conclusion by Friday.
 

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LOL at "sharp money" and MyBookie appearing in the same sentence. The reason the Lakers are favorites to win the championship is because of how square that place is. No other book has them anywhere closet to that. I've made so much money off their stupid odds that they won't let me bet there anymore...after just 6 months. Sure, they had Lebron at -5000, but they were also the only ones carrying that market. All other books took it down because Lakers was a foregone conclusion by Friday.
So, uh, any issues with payouts?
 

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Well the Lakers having best odds at title is for THIS season.
Same as the Kawhi betting market - THIS season, not next. Exact wording: "KAHWI LEONARD TEAM AT THE START OF 18/19 SEASON"

To answer your other question, there was a delay (not unusual), but I got my money from them. However, they are one of the shadier books. I would not recommend them to anyone who isn't wanting to accept risk. There are much safer options.
 

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Same as the Kawhi betting market - THIS season, not next. Exact wording: "KAHWI LEONARD TEAM AT THE START OF 18/19 SEASON"
Okay...I think that's what everyone was assuming, so the clarification seemed odd.

Thanks for the info on mybookie. Their O/U on Lakers wins is 62.5.

I mean, that seems like easy money.
 

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Go fish. Lakers will wait a year to sign him in FA if that's the Spurs asking price.

Call Minny and see if there is a price on Butler. Worse comes to worse, the Lakers can wait for a disgruntled star to rear their head this season.

Not asking for Lonzo is a nice little tweak by Pop.
 

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Go fish. Lakers will wait a year to sign him in FA if that's the Spurs asking price.

Call Minny and see if there is a price on Butler. Worse comes to worse, the Lakers can wait for a disgruntled star to rear their head this season.

Not asking for Lonzo is a nice little tweak by Pop.
The Cousins signing probably makes that 1-year wait that much easier too. Maybe the Lakers bite (on a compromised package) without it.
 

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Doesn't pass the Trade Machine. Lakers would be over the cap for one, about 103M including KL if I did the math right. Could make it happen though if the Lakers are desperate to get him now.
 
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Go fish. Lakers will wait a year to sign him in FA if that's the Spurs asking price.

Call Minny and see if there is a price on Butler. Worse comes to worse, the Lakers can wait for a disgruntled star to rear their head this season.

Not asking for Lonzo is a nice little tweak by Pop
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I love this
 

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Ok, I’ll be the turd in the punch bowl.

I’m 38, so I wasn’t really old enough to really get the hardened Laker hate a lot of Cs fans have. I get it and I share it to an extent, but it’s almost like Bruins/Canadiens, at least a small part of it is because I’m told to hate them. It’s not Yankees/Sox for me.

Despite how much I detest Lebron, I say, go get Kawhi. A stronger opponent for the Warriors is only good for the Celtics. Whether they could beat them or not, who knows, injuries etc and nobody thought the Rockets would have a shot at this time last year. Give them another team they can’t wipe in four games and rest guys in playoffs and beat them up a bit before the Finals. And I don’t want KL for the Celtics so I don’t care what goes on in the western conference. The more mayhem the better. I’ll certainly give Pops props for asking for the moon as a big middle finger to his rival, but end of day I think it helps Celtics if KL goes there.
 

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Ok, I’ll be the turd in the punch bowl.

I’m 38, so I wasn’t really old enough to really get the hardened Laker hate a lot of Cs fans have. I get it and I share it to an extent, but it’s almost like Bruins/Canadiens, at least a small part of it is because I’m told to hate them. It’s not Yankees/Sox for me.

Despite how much I detest Lebron, I say, go get Kawhi. A stronger opponent for the Warriors is only good for the Celtics. Whether they could beat them or not, who knows, injuries etc and nobody thought the Rockets would have a shot at this time last year. Give them another team they can’t wipe in four games and rest guys in playoffs and beat them up a bit before the Finals. And I don’t want KL for the Celtics so I don’t care what goes on in the western conference. The more mayhem the better. I’ll certainly give Pops props for asking for the moon as a big middle finger to his rival, but end of day I think it helps Celtics if KL goes there.
Yeah, I'm okay with it too---assuming we want to win the title, we only have to beat 1 of these western teams. Tougher competition for the Warriors might mean we could grab home court.
 

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I hate being the angry old man, but I wish nothing but mediocre seasons on the Lakers. Lebron gives them hope, and sets them in the right direction.

When they made the trade for young Kobe, I was apprehensive. When they got Shaq, I was devastated. Not happy about this either. And even if it's an unknown what condition Kawhi is currently in, why would anyone want to take the chance that he's ready to help that team mean something again? Not that we have any control over it, of course, but from a rooting perspective...

I know that a lot of folks are excited to see Sox-Yankees as a real thing again, but I prefer the Yankees and their fans losing most of their games. Same for the Lakers.
 

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I hate being the angry old man, but I wish nothing but mediocre seasons on the Lakers. Lebron gives them hope, and sets them in the right direction.

When they made the trade for young Kobe, I was apprehensive. When they got Shaq, I was devastated. Not happy about this either. And even if it's an unknown what condition Kawhi is currently in, why would anyone want to take the chance that he's ready to help that team mean something again? Not that we have any control over it, of course, but from a rooting perspective...

I know that a lot of folks are excited to see Sox-Yankees as a real thing again, but I prefer the Yankees and their fans losing most of their games. Same for the Lakers.
Agreed. I’m ok with Lakers getting Kawhi but I want them to give up real assets. If not, no way. Let LeBron kill himself this year trying to carry a mediocre team in the WC. I’ll worry about the Warriors if/when the time comes.
 

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I hear you jimbodandy but if it’s a choice between the Lakers and the Sixers I would rather he go to the Lakers. Easier path to the finals for the Cs and one more good team the Warriors have to beat to get there.
 

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Agreed. I’m ok with Lakers getting Kawhi but I want them to give up real assets. If not, no way. Let LeBron kill himself this year trying to carry a mediocre team in the WC. I’ll worry about the Warriors if/when the time comes.
That's fair. If Magic has to send two of their three young guys plus picks, that will take the sting out of it.

I hear you jimbodandy but if it’s a choice between the Lakers and the Sixers I would rather he go to the Lakers. Easier path to the finals for the Cs and one more good team the Warriors have to beat to get there.
I get that point of view. Getting to the finals is the next logical step for this team. I just hate to see anything good happen to the Lakers.

I hope that you guys are right, and a modestly competitive Lakers team takes a pound of flesh from the Warriors and that actually helps one of these Celtics teams win a title. I can't imagine a better scenario.
 

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Laker picks as a big component are peanuts for Pop. They'll be high 20s at a minimum for the next few years with LeBron & Kawhi and three jags. The pick swap option seems unlikely to get in the money. Lakers need to give up at least 2 good players that have immediate value to the Spurs.
And I wish the Lakers nothing but excrutiating Aaron Boone class gut-punch losses.

I am that angry old man.

Happy 4th
 

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I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the Pau Gasol grade. Good on Pop/the Spurs for not rolling over like the Grizzlies did then.
That ended up being a good deal for Memphis. Better than the Wolves got for Kevin Garnett, anyway.

edit: Hell, the Celtics got a better return for Kevin Garnett than the Wolves.
 

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That ended up being a good deal for Memphis. Better than the Wolves got for Kevin Garnett, anyway.

edit: Hell, the Celtics got a better return for Kevin Garnett than the Wolves.
Tough basis of comparison. Pretty much everyone in NBA history has gotten worse deals than the Cs got for Garnett and Pierce.
 

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That ended up being a good deal for Memphis. Better than the Wolves got for Kevin Garnett, anyway.

edit: Hell, the Celtics got a better return for Kevin Garnett than the Wolves.
I hate this view of the trade years later. Did the grizzlies win TWO titles as a result? No. But the Lakers did and it elevated Kobe's legacy. F the grizz forever for that trade.

Pop let him walk. Anything is better than helping them get another ring
 

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I hate this view of the trade years later. Did the grizzlies win TWO titles as a result? No. But the Lakers did and it elevated Kobe's legacy. F the grizz forever for that trade.
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I guess the Grizz had a decent run and sold lots of tickets but no Finals, no trophies while the Lakers cashed in twice.