Jurassic World 3: Where the Dinosaurs have Quad Injuries and Hate Their Shoe Deals
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Myositis ossificans is actually most confusing and hard to interpret on MRI. It's usually confirmed with X-Ray/CT, or short term follow-up imaging to make sure it's evolving as expected.
But in a general sense, yes, it should be fairly obvious what is going on anatomically. I'm sure Kawhi has gotten all of the necessary MRI, CT, X-rays, and ultrasounds he needs, and they have a good idea about what is going on.
But everyone responds to injuries differently, and I don't pretend to know what's going on in his specific case. At face value, it certainly seems atypical, but some injuries are atypical too, so I don't automatically assume he's "soft" or acting inappropriately.
After watching Tatum, Brown, and Rozier carry the load this spring, I'm now mostly convinced there's not a match here. Not nearly enough certainty in a Leonard trade when you're already looking at a legit Finals contender.
Yup.
Danny will listen if Anthony Davis unexpectedly becomes available, but short of that, he’s gotta be more intrigued by what this team could do at full strength than by any blockbuster trade that might be available. (That was true before, but it’s even easier to say “no” when saying “yes” would trigger a fan revolt.)
Stephen A suggested a Kyrie-for-Kawhi swap, straight up. SA gets a star and Boston gets a star. Never mind that SA already has a guy at the PG spot in Parker, and the Celtics already have several quality wings in Brown, Tatum, and Hayward.
Parker is 35 soon and a FA. He's basically cooked. Dejounte Murray has some potential but figures to be a low end starter. But the real problem is that the Celtics don't "need" Kawhi and don't have any room for him unless they move someone to the bench who doesn't deserve it (and that wouldn't go well).
Tony Parker is 35 years old and has been in the league since 2001. There's not much tread left on those tires. But yes, it would leave the Celtics with a glut of wings. But they would be very, very good wings.
I think it wouldn't be great for the Celtics reputation with players and agents if they traded Kyrie the year after the IT4 trade.
I also don’t see SA being super interested in Kyrie, for the same reasons that they’re willing to trade Leonard. He’s at least 4th on the list of what they would ask Ainge for.
And the first 3 items on that list are quickly becoming untouchable. Especially if the return is an injured rental.
I think it depends on what SA is looking to do. If they’re looking to see if they can contend with Aldridge, then adding Kyrie makes a lot of sense since he’d replace the scoring they lost with Kawhi leaving and is a ready made all-star. If they’re looking to blow it up and start a longer rebuild, then sure they’d prefer Tatum or Brown. My guess is that they’re going to be looking for immediate help but we’ll have to see.
Kyrie makes no sense for the Spurs. Assuming they're both healthy (which is an issue for both) Kawhi is a significantly better player, and if they want to keep him long term they're basically guaranteed to be able to with the supermax. Kyrie can opt out after a year and they'd be left with nothing.
San Antonio was Kyrie’s preferred destination last summer. Don’t know why he’d threaten to opt out and not sign long term
Last summer they were coming off a 61 win season that might have ended in a title if not for Zaza and he would have got to play with Kawhi long term. Now he'd get to play with Aldridge, mediocrity, and 1-3 cooked hall of famers while finishing middle of the pack in the west.
I think that’s the biggest driver. The Spurs aren’t the Spurs without Pop. But it could also theoretically be a 3 team deal where Kyrie goes somewhere else and the Spurs get young players and picks.
Just to throw another couple variable logs into the fire, you got me thinking:
- How much does each year of Brad prove just how much his player development angle actually translates to the NBA?
- And to what extent are there differential returns with respect to the age of the players?
Buried in a parenthetical at the end of Zach Lowe’s recent piece on Brad Stevens and the Celtics culture:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23465885/zach-lowe-boston-celtics-toughness-nba-playoffs
I think this postseason that Tatum and Brown have played themselves into untouchable territory when you factor in age, ability, and contract status.
I want to see them grow up together. I think that will be an incredibly rewarding fan experience and as likely to result in a championship as a Kawhi deal would.
Would folks here rather trade Kyrie for Kawhi, or see Kawhi go to Philadelphia for Saric and a bundle of draft picks?
I don't know if the Spurs would want Kyrie or not. Maybe not. But Popovich and Buford must know that the Spurs need to rebuild. They'll try to do it on the fly (like Ainge) but they'll do it.
I don't know if the Spurs would want Kyrie or not. Maybe not. But Popovich and Buford must know that the Spurs need to rebuild. They'll try to do it on the fly (like Ainge) but they'll do it.
There are serious downside risks for the team that acquires Kawhi: injury and free agency are the two most significant, and the former risk is not easily quantified or mitigated. That risk needs to be weighed against that of a competing team acquiring Leonard.
I personally am willing to take the risk of Kawhi going to Philly, as I think the downsides to acquiring him are very real and are not easily recoverable, either.
I am doubtful that Saric + LAL/SAC (likely mid lottery either year) pick gets it done. PHI has no other future picks besides those that are worth anything, so it would take including Fultz? Something else?
And if that is the offer, I think there are other teams that could beat that.
+1 agreed.
It feels like Kawhi is forcing his way out of SA.
Kyrie+ a pick for Kawhi is as high as I'd like to see Danny go. And that's probably not enough for SA to get it done
At this point, Danny has to be comfortable with the cards in his hand and the draft over the next few seasons will deal him a few more. With Brad's legend growing and team success on stage, we'll also be able to pick up some talented veteran ring chasers on minimum deals.
The Celtics and Sixers (+ max free agent this offseason) are separating themselves from the pack in the East. We could see a lot of good teams like the Wizards, Raptors, Bucks looking to trade high-end talent for Kahwi since they are too good to re-make themselves through the draft. The Cavs in order to appease Lebron could offer a trove of picks + some of their youngsters. The Knicks could also make a play with draft picks+youngsters. SA would probably prefer to ship Kawhi out of the West and will have lots of options, so don't expect him to be a Celtic next season.
It would have to be Saric/Fultz/#10/filler for Kawhi. That’s not a great return for a top 5 guy if Fultz doesn’t fix his shot. Spurs would be taking on a lot of risk so I can’t see them favoring an offer like that.
I don't know. Thats a pretty spectacular return, especially if it is SAC pick. With Kawhi's injury questions, his impending free agency, and his apparent disdain for playing in SA, his value would seem to be pretty similar to what CLE got for Kyrie himself. And Kyrie did not net a Kyrie-like player in return.
Yikes, The Sixers could get Kawhi and have room for a max free agent (Lebron or Paul George).
Saric + LAL/SAC pick + Fultz + Bayless + more (Luwawu, Bolden, more future picks)
Simmons, Embiid, Kawhi, Lebron = a happy LondonSox, terrynever, Ramagellan
I was thinking Celtics pick. Maybe throw in MaMo. If this is Pop's last season they may want a savvy vet, like Mook, instead of youngsters. Still think other teams have more to offer.
The Memphis, Clipper, Sac picks should be saved just in case New Orleans calls.
It's basic math.
Sixers lose Amir ($11M) and JJ ($23) this season ~ $34M that leads to a max contract. So they are one of the few teams that can shop for Lebron or Paul George.
Klay is signed for next season ($19M), so not sure how he is getting thrown around?
Kawhi would have to obtained via a trade with matching salaries. So if the Sixers deal Bayless($8.5M) + Saric($3.2) + Fultz ($8.3M) + picks/youngsters ~ $20MM in cap space that makes getting Kawhi possible.
Carry on DrewDawg
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If I'm the Sixers I'd offer Simmons for Kawhi straight up and try to sign Lebron. McConnell and Fultz (hopefully) can man the PG position.
Philly is going to do what Philly's gonna do. And Brown was crying for FA help after the series loss to the Celts.
But doesn't NBA math dictate that if the 76ers take on Leonard they have to give up a like amount in salaries? (~$19MM) Whats the combo that would be of interest to SA? I'd think SA would want at least one sure young star and at least one high pick to lay the foundation, and then take on filler to make the math work.
And I'm not sure Ainge playing Billy King and overpaying for Leonard and bailing out SA, is the way Ainge plays poker.
But doesn't NBA math dictate that if the 76ers take on Leonard they have to give up a like amount in salaries? (~$19MM) Whats the combo that would be of interest to SA? I'd think SA would want at least one sure young star and at least one high pick to lay the foundation, and then take on filler to make the math work.
And I'm not sure Ainge playing Billy King and overpaying for Leonard and bailing out SA, is the way Ainge plays poker.
I think this is right. Fultz being a net negative really screwed them here. It’s a tough decision but a ballsy move that makes them more competitive. All it takes is Lebron staying and PG picking LA for Philly to suddenly be exploring a one year extension for Redick.
Sixers Head Coach, Brett Brown yesterday:
"I think another high level free-agent is required [to win a championship]. I think we have the ability to attract one."
http://www.complex.com/sports/2018/05/brett-brown-believes-his-76ers-need-help-to-win-title
Side note on LBJ. I read a snippet this week that the Staples Center installed a Blaze Pizza this past season. They are leaving no stone unturned and I expect him to head to the Lakers. (He’s a primary investor in Blaze).
I’m not saying they can’t afford him. I’m saying we’re assuming it’s a done deal. Like we used to say about the Yankees.
Yes, I know Klay is signed. There were talks GSW might deal him if he doesn’t want to take a team friendly deal.
Again, that wasn’t my point. This week it’s Kawhi. Next week it’s LeBron.
And I’m not upset anything, I just find it interesting.
He’s working on a team friendly deal.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/report-klay-thompson-could-sign-182207628.html
Who is assuming it’s a done deal? There is clear risk in Philly striking out on every top target. But they absolutely are going to go after them. This is their big summer and they need to add another star. We’ll see if they are able to do so but they’ll be in the mix for basically every single one.
The more interesting question is where do they draw the line? Honestly it seems like James and George are a longshot. Chris Paul probably isn't leaving Houston, and after that you're looking at younger players (good) with considerable limitations or risk associated with their game. I mean, Sixers fans would be rightly pissed off if they open the vaults for Tyreke Evans and someone like Cousins isn't really a fit with what they're trying to do, although if he's the best available, I don't see why you don't sign and make it work later...
SA would have to be one of the best places for Fultz to land, for his own sake, assuming Pop sticks around for a couple seasons.
It’s definitely going to be fascinating. I don’t see Philly landing any marquee FAs so they’ll have to decide if they want to go after the second tier guys. Just can’t see them signing Cousins given his injury and poor fit with Embiid. Kawhi makes the most sense and seems to be the most realistic option for an impact guy but you’re obviously taking on a lot of risk there. This is why the Fultz trade was so disastrous for Philly. Not only did they receive the worse player but they also lost a valuable trade chip in Sac 2019.
On the trade front, I wonder if they could get Portland interested in a deal for McCollum, a guy I think would be a nice fit next to Simmons. Would probably be something like Saric/Covington/Bayless and LA 2018 or Fultz.
There would be no need for the Blazers to take Covington, and they wouldn't. That's exactly the kind of overpay that got the Blazers into trouble in 2016. It would likely be the same deal as for Kawhi: Saric+picks for McCollum and the trade exception. And why would Portland roll the dice on Fultz? McConnell is cheaper and (in the near term at least) better.