“@TMZ_Sports: Derrick Rose — Accused of Drugging and Gang Raping Ex-Girlfriend http://t.co/amc3ESkUF6
Derrick Rose Accused of Drugging and Gang Raping Ex-Girlfriend
- Thread starter soxhop411
- Start date
- Status
I think that the allegation sounds serious enough to warrant awarding this woman all of Derrick Rose's money right now with no further inquiry.
Blacken said:
Dude.
Lots of people are raped. Lots of people extort celebrities. Someone pointing out one of those things is worthy of mocking because they've both been said a million different times at this point. Expressing that knowledge, however, does not persist the rape culture. It just confirms that he knows what everyone else already knows.
Kane, Brooks/McDonald and now Rose.
I think I'm just gonna check out of sports for a little while.
I think I'm just gonna check out of sports for a little while.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
I don't totally disagree with the surface point, but you can't tell me the side a person first jumps to as their initial reaction doesn't tell me something about them, and that something is a thing that makes Blacken's accusation valid.
The rush to, when a woman asserts she has been raped, attack her credibility with that "WHOA WHOA WHOA LOTS OF WOMEN LIE ABOUT RAPE [even though they statistically do not, and if anything, rape is hugely underreported]" bullshit, is exactly, and literally, one of the core problems of rape culture.Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Like, this is textbook. It probably made CoRP happy to see a fellow disciple of his shitty movement, but it's untenable among functional humans and must be so.
CoRP said:
Yep, that's why men "defend the honor" of rape victims--to get them to swoon. You nailed it, and are definitely thinking about this in the right context.
Well sure, but the answer is pretty definitely and consistently "yup". If CoRP would only connect that casual relationship to the frustrations he's obviously experiencing, I suspect he'd be living a happier life.
You weren't kidding before about /r/mensrights, huh? I guess that when your worldview reduces women to sex objects, you think everybody else's worldview is to reduce women to sex objects.Grin&MartyBarret said:
I don't quite understand, and probably never will, why SoSH frowns upon the word "cunt" because it's anti-women, but "with no evidence I am going to concern-troll that she lied about being raped" is A-OK. One of these is a lot more damaging than the other.
Your lack of reading comprehension notwithstanding, I'm sure women everywhere feel safe and comforted when you fight their "he said / she said" battles in an online sports forum online. Feminism needs more positive male role models like you. Paternalism at it's finest.
Ok, let's take a step back, here.
You do realize by "ghoul", I mean Rose, right? As in, "I don't doubt anyone being a rapist, after, you know, Bill Fucking Cosby turned out to be one". If that wasn't clear, my bad. You also need to relax a bit.
I don't know what happened. Neither do any of us. All we have is a TMZ story with a lawsuit. As KFP pointed out, my post was mockable for its obviousness, not because I'm fucking perpetuating rape culture. Jeez, dude.
I really just wanted to point out the masturbation thing. It was weird to me that it was in the story at all.
Sure, this is what I said.
Jesus, a "CoRP disciple"? That's like "cunt" for men.
Blacken said:
You do realize by "ghoul", I mean Rose, right? As in, "I don't doubt anyone being a rapist, after, you know, Bill Fucking Cosby turned out to be one". If that wasn't clear, my bad. You also need to relax a bit.
I don't know what happened. Neither do any of us. All we have is a TMZ story with a lawsuit. As KFP pointed out, my post was mockable for its obviousness, not because I'm fucking perpetuating rape culture. Jeez, dude.
I really just wanted to point out the masturbation thing. It was weird to me that it was in the story at all.
drleather2001 said:
Sure, this is what I said.
Jesus, a "CoRP disciple"? That's like "cunt" for men.
Blacken said:
Just to be clear, because I'm not sure if you picked up on it, I was laying the sarcasm on pretty thick in my response to Corp.
If you guys are actually interested in facts & stats & estimates, here are a couple links to get you started:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#Rumney_.282006.29
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_2_4.htm
Based on the numbers above & how little we know, it's prudent to withhold judgment on either guilt or innocence until more info comes out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#Rumney_.282006.29
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_2_4.htm
Based on the numbers above & how little we know, it's prudent to withhold judgment on either guilt or innocence until more info comes out.
Grin&MartyBarret said:
No, no, we love rape and the people who commit them.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, BLACKEN, THE ABOVE COMMENT IS SARCASTIC
No one is saying people should make a definitive statement of guilt or innocence at this point, just that the right course of action is to generally take the word of a woman who alleges she was raped seriously.ALiveH said:
It's just that when the first reaction someone has to a rape allegation is "I wouldn't trust her, women lie about rape all the time", or "she's probably looking for a pay day" it trivializes the issue. The argument isn't that you should take her word as fact and deem Rose guilty based solely on that.
Or, people could just not have to make up their minds about things right away and wait for more facts to come out. It's like uncertainty leads to madness.
rodderick said:
It's a serious issue. There should be an investigation. That's all that can be said at this point.
BTW, she is looking for a pay day. It's literally the point of the lawsuit. There are two definitive facts so far: 1. The woman and Rose were involved, and 2. There is a lawsuit seeking damages. If the lawsuit has merit, we do not know. Like, at all.
It wasn't clear, no. You didn't mention Rose as a subject, which makes parsing Rose as the antecedent of that sentence kind of difficult. And, no, I don't need to relax; this is important, and it's worth getting up for. Our resident self-hating beta (or is "cuck" the new term? I don't keep up with their neologisms) should be ample evidence as to why.ypioca said:
I'm glad that you are simply participating in the destruction of the English language rather than rape culture, though. :buddy:
Just to be clear, because I'm not sure if you picked up on it, I was applauding your earlier redirection to /r/mensrights. It's a better place for the worse of our population.Grin&MartyBarret said:
What, exactly, is "rape culture"? Its an actual thing? I don't know anyone, at least who admits it, that rape is acceptable under any circumstances.
Oh, and I have no idea what happened between Derrick Rose and this woman so I am reserving judgment until more facts are available - just to be clear.
Oh, and I have no idea what happened between Derrick Rose and this woman so I am reserving judgment until more facts are available - just to be clear.
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
It's getting them to understand what rape is (or really, sexual assault) that's the cultural problem. I mean, there was a frat on my campus that was known as the "roofie house", and it was the brothers doing the branding. "It's not OK to cop a feel because a girl passed out in my bed" is still a dissonant thought for some.
It's a term for the social phenomenon where third parties and bystanders (predominantly but by no means exclusively men) further harm and render incredible the victims (predominantly but by no means exclusively women) of sexual violence in ways that are largely not done for the victims of other crimes.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
"She was asking for it." The implication being that it was consensual.
"He wasn't really raped." The implication being that an instance of sexual violence wasn't actually sexual violence.
"She's just looking for money." The implication being that the victim is untrustworthy.
These sorts of comments and prevailing worldviews do a lot to silence rape victims and encourage perpetrators--who may not even think that what they're doing is sexual violence due to the conditioning of their environment--to continue doing what they're doing. It's pervasively bad.
(There are other analogous phenomena, to be sure--you see something similar in the discrediting of, for example, black folks when being attacked by police. "Obey the police and you won't get hurt." But it's much harder to wave away a Maglite across the back of the head than coerced consent.)
Goddamnit, when I say I have made up my mind and want no further inquiry, I mean it.Marciano490 said:
Blacken said:
So, you read something that was, at best, unclear, but still decided I was talking about the woman, and proceeded to say I was representative of the rape culture. Surely you don't need to relax. You're fighting a war here, on the baseball message board. Where all the rape culture folks hang out.
Also, I'd like to see you respond in Portuguese.
Blacken said:
Thank you - and I know this can be googled fairly easily but I prefer your definition. Frankly, I would simply refer to these comments/observations are simply reflective of ignorance and not a culture per se. However people think labeling it a culture makes it easier to eradicate it, more power to them.
I will say this - anyone who thinks we have fully evolved on this (and other issues) need only spend a few minutes around your average teenage boys. I help coach a bunch of these guys and they are basically base-instincts with feet and hands. To bring it around full circle, I would guess that many people might assume Rose's guilt in this instance because we know that many professional athletes are simply overgrown adolescents with money and a trail of enablers.
No, what you were saying was clear, it just wasn't what you wanted to say. Antecedents mean things. (This is why I didn't apologize for misunderstanding you, because I read what you wrote.)ypioca said:
Psst.
Pssssssssst.
Lemme spoiler it so nobody gets spoiled by this shocking revelation.
THEY DO HANG OUT HERE
DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN
But seriously, the whole "pervasive cultural phenomenon" thing isn't a joke. A spectacular chunk of this board is more than happy to assume that womens are bitches and they just want the D. I wasn't joking before when I noted that "cunt" isn't an acceptable word but "she is lying about being raped" is basically the norm. This shit happens. If you start watching, you won't be able to not see it. And when you can see something and not get up for it, that makes you culpable, too.
DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN
But seriously, the whole "pervasive cultural phenomenon" thing isn't a joke. A spectacular chunk of this board is more than happy to assume that womens are bitches and they just want the D. I wasn't joking before when I noted that "cunt" isn't an acceptable word but "she is lying about being raped" is basically the norm. This shit happens. If you start watching, you won't be able to not see it. And when you can see something and not get up for it, that makes you culpable, too.
I'm in 'Murica. I speak 'Murican.
Holy shit. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but that is some disturbing shit. The details provided (hopefully backed up by text messages) ring pretty true to me. With my infinite knowledge of how sexual deviants/rapists like to party.maufman said:
ypioca said:
The problem isn't the line about the ghoul, it's the rest of your post.
ypioca said:
The bolded text can all serve to minimize the validity of her claims. Why point out that the masturbation thing seems odd? Coercing her into any sexual act she is uncomfortable with is wrong and where she draws the line shouldn't matter. Drawing attention to it could easily be read as "this doesn't smell right because this detail is really odd."
Asking why she continued dating the guy is very easy to read as "She could have left. Staying is a form of consent." Ie... the onus is on her to stop the sexual assault, not on him to not commit it.
Pointing out that none of us REALLY know what happened yet is a classic rape culture tactic.
Pointing out that she's seeking damages and not pressing charges is tough to reconcile as anything other than trying to weaken her position. What that ignores is that it's often much harder to prove sexual assault as a criminal matter than it is as a civil one, and the path toward some semblance of justice can appear much easier through a civil court. Plus, if she didn't report any of the alleged rape incidents immediately and didn't have rape kits done, it becomes much more difficult to get charges filed, never mind a conviction from a jury. So the fact that she's seeking damages rather than a criminal conviction doesn't tell us nearly as much as you may think. Then there's the possibility that there are criminal charges coming, or the possibility that she tried to get criminal charges filed and wasn't able to get any traction for whatever reason.
You may not have meant any of those things in these ways, but the onus is on you to be more careful in what you write, not to blame others for not catching your meaning the first time around. Your post was poorly written and the ghoul line was the least problematic part of it. Instead of getting on Blacken for misreading your intent, maybe own up to it being poorly written and try rephrasing or just rescinding it.
Now I get why it's in civil court.
Too bad though. If that complaint is true (and it sure as hell sounds like it is) those guys should rot in prison.
Too bad though. If that complaint is true (and it sure as hell sounds like it is) those guys should rot in prison.
Snodgrass'Muff said:
You're right, it was a poorly written post. It's dumb and gives the wrong idea of how I feel about this. So, it's gone.
- Status