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Edelman's Torn ACL & Its Impact

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by SeoulSoxFan, Aug 25, 2017.

  1. Kenny F'ing Powers

    Kenny F'ing Powers posts 18% useful shit Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I dunno, man. People keep saying "Gronk's the key to the offense", but the numbers have never really bore that out. I mean, this offense is still going to be really good. Top 3? Number 1? Who knows. But losing Brady's binky is going to be an issue methinks.

    Brady career numbers: 63.76 completion %, 97.2 QB Rate, 7.49 Y/A
    Brady w/o Gronk: 63.3 completion %, 92.0 QB Rate, 7.46 Y/A
    Brady w/o Edelman: 59.4 completion %, 90.4 QB Rate, 6.79 Y/A
     
  2. Stitch01

    Stitch01 Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    This is a fair point, but I'm not going to be in this bucket until they lose another player or two. The problem in 2015 was that Edelman got hit and they were starting fifth string linemen. The problem in 2009 was that, beyond Moss and Welker, the personnel was pretty bad. Edelman was a major contributor, but wasn't as effective or important to the offense last year as he was in '14 and '15 (catch rate lower last year, pretty sure his after the catch and return numbers were weaker as well, lost a little bit of PT in two WR sets later in the year)

    If guys start getting hurt this changes but with Gronk/Allen, the addition of more balanced running backs, Cooks downfield ability, etc I think they still go into the year as the odds on favorite to have the league's best offense. Just less room before they hit a breaking point on offense with injuries

    Also, and I know its not your suggestion so not saying this directly to you, but really don't understand why Butler being worse with Gilmore here is the default assumption or why we would trade him for like a fifth pass catcher. Butler should get more favorable matchups for his skill sets if anything.
     
  3. InstaFace

    InstaFace MDLzera

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    Turf monster claims another victim.

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    "Just fucked Edelman, no lie!"

    Last seen in game action: Catching a 15-yard pass on 2nd and 13, in overtime, to put us 25 yards from glory.

    Actually, that's just ball handling. Last game action was throwing a vicious block against a LB to give James White juuuuuuust enough room to squeeze in for the championship-winning score.
     
    #153 InstaFace, Aug 26, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2017
  4. axx

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    Huh, apparently on the twitters since Edelman was put on IR before the roster was initially set (?) the IR-DTR rule doesn't apply. So he's def out for the year if you were hoping he could return for say like the SB.
     
  5. SeoulSoxFan

    SeoulSoxFan Dope Dope

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    Reiss reports that NE worked out BBtL's old pre-draft binkie WR Daniel Braverman who got cut by Chicago:
    Braverman was linked to the Pats by Kiper before getting picked by the Bear's last pick in the 2016 draft...
    ...and got high praise by PFF here:
    ...and worked out by NE before the draft:
    Daniels also tweeted this yesterday:

    @MarkDanielsPJ
    Mel Kiper compared Braverman to Amendola and Edelman prior to the 2016 draft. He's a slot receiver/returner.
     
    #155 SeoulSoxFan, Sep 14, 2017 at 10:18 AM
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2017 at 10:34 AM
  6. SeoulSoxFan

    SeoulSoxFan Dope Dope

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    Here I go with binkie-fever again. WEEI chimes in about Braverman:
     
  7. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

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    Whoa, that's crazy, undersized white slot receivers are never compared to Edelman and Amendola.
     
  8. BaseballJones

    BaseballJones goalpost mover SoSH Member

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    FWIW, Amendola is almost EXACTLY the average size for the prototype NFL wide receiver. And Edelman is actually BIGGER.

    Prototype wide receiver: 5'11", 185 lbs
    Amendola: 5'11", 183 lbs
    Edelman: 6'0", 198 lbs

    (Note: I get that this is prototype and not necessarily "average", and I also get that this is from several years ago so maybe the needle has moved. I just never got the sense that those guys were actually undersized compared to the average NFL wide receiver. I couldn't find actual "average" size data...)
     
  9. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

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    As far as I can tell, those numbers are mostly pulled out of the butt of whoever put that page together. Mockdraftable has average size at about 6'1" 201. That's Combine invitees; to get a better metric, we ought to adjust and snap-weight by who is actually playing. Also, your measurements for Edelman and Amendola are team-reported (i.e., wrong). Edelman measured at 5'10" 3/8 at his Pro Day; Amendola at 5'10" 1/2.

    If your point is that Braverman's even a little smaller (5'9" 7/8, 175 pounds at his Pro Day), fair enough.
     
  10. lexrageorge

    lexrageorge Member SoSH Member

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    I think the "Edelman is undersized" comes from the fact that he fit right into the Wes Welker role. Welker was 5'9". And Edelman looks short standing the huddle next to Gronk and Nate Solder.
     
  11. Marciano490

    Marciano490 Urological Expert SoSH Member

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    Shocked that Edelman is the type of dude to claim 6' when he's barely 5'11. I bet his Bumble profile lists him as 6'1.
     
  12. singaporesoxfan

    singaporesoxfan Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    He can't join SoSH, SoSHers would never lie about their height.
     
  13. BaseballJones

    BaseballJones goalpost mover SoSH Member

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    I got their info from pro-football-reference.com. No idea where THEY got it from.
     
  14. Marciano490

    Marciano490 Urological Expert SoSH Member

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    Or join websites where you have to show a picture of your face.
     

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