F**k you, Deflategate

johnmd20

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Man, Brady just crushing it everywhere. Roger that. The finger. The glare during the handshake. Brady is just a perfect specimen of competition.
 

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Maybe I am projecting, but this morning it feels like ballghazi has really finally died the death it deserved.

This is so not only because of the sweet taste of revenge, but the victory now clarifies to the world that only sore losers look at the Pats and cry foul.

It never should have been a thing, but now in some ways it will only add to the legacy -- dominant to the point of being framed and they overcame the frame job (sort of) twice.
 

drbretto

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I though I was totally over it earlier today. But everyone on my team at work is in PA, and apparently, they don't like the Patriots very much there. I mentioned in the chat that I was tired but super happy because last night was justice for deflategate. My boss responded by quoting the Wells report. It didn't go over well. It took everything I had not to get myself fired, lol.

So, I guess being honest, people being ignorant and judgmental still bothers me in general and always will. But, I will say the bite is mostly out of it.
 

johnmd20

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Maybe I am projecting, but this morning it feels like ballghazi has really finally died the death it deserved.

This is so not only because of the sweet taste of revenge, but the victory now clarifies to the world that only sore losers look at the Pats and cry foul.

It never should have been a thing, but now in some ways it will only add to the legacy -- dominant to the point of being framed and they overcame the frame job (sort of) twice.
You are projecting hard. All this win does is shine more of the light and rage on Deflategate. People are still talking about Spygate. It was almost 10 years ago. DeflateGate will end when the Patriots suck and not a second sooner.
 

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You are projecting hard. All this win does is shine more of the light and rage on Deflategate. People are still talking about Spygate. It was almost 10 years ago. DeflateGate will end when the Patriots suck and not a second sooner.
Soooo, in about 15 years?
 

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Mythmaking is strong. facts don't matter. Your country is lead by a guy that says there were 3 million fake votes. Most people in my nation think we don't pollute at all, or that our murder rate is the lowest on earth. France teaches in school how hard they resisted the Nazis 1940-43 when they did next to nothing.
 

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Mythmaking is strong. facts don't matter. Your country is lead by a guy that says there were 3 million fake votes. Most people in my nation think we don't pollute at all, or that our murder rate is the lowest on earth. France teaches in school how hard they resisted the Nazis 1940-43 when they did next to nothing.
Myth?

 

dhappy42

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You are projecting hard. All this win does is shine more of the light and rage on Deflategate. People are still talking about Spygate. It was almost 10 years ago. DeflateGate will end when the Patriots suck and not a second sooner.
Yes. I'm over it now. Finally. All Pats fans should be. But this SB win is just going to aggravate the Haters even more. Owners? Who knows, they may have learned a lesson from Deflategate (I doubt it) but the ex-NE fans, are definitely going to keep harping on the Cheatriots thing. Even the NYT, which eventually got Deflategate right, ran a story by some idiot trying to explain using psychology why New England fans ignore the Patriots cheating ways. I'm already being trolled by my Giants fan friends. I'm ignoring them, for now. But i know somewhere down the road some nitwit will make dumb crack about deflated footballs that'll set me off.
 

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Yes. I'm over it now. Finally. All Pats fans should be. But this SB win is just going to aggravate the Haters even more. Owners? Who knows, they may have learned a lesson from Deflategate (I doubt it) but the ex-NE fans, are definitely going to keep harping on the Cheatriots thing. Even the NYT, which eventually got Deflategate right, ran a story by some idiot trying to explain using psychology why New England fans ignore the Patriots cheating ways. I'm already being trolled by my Giants fan friends. I'm ignoring them, for now. But i know somewhere down the road some nitwit will make dumb crack about deflated footballs that'll set me off.
That NYT column by Juliet Macur was an absolute travesty, on super bowl Sunday no less. No facts or research, just thoughtless verbiage. She got both Spygate and Deflategate wrong, which a lot of people have done, but I think Macur is actually a solid reporter and not a hot take artist.
 

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I though I was totally over it earlier today. But everyone on my team at work is in PA, and apparently, they don't like the Patriots very much there. I mentioned in the chat that I was tired but super happy because last night was justice for deflategate. My boss responded by quoting the Wells report. It didn't go over well. It took everything I had not to get myself fired, lol.

So, I guess being honest, people being ignorant and judgmental still bothers me in general and always will. But, I will say the bite is mostly out of it.
One of the many reasons I am glad I moved from PA to the West Coast. The Philadelphia area's hate for the Patriots is crazy. Like I know people that hate the Pats worse than the Cowboys.
 

dhappy42

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That NYT column by Juliet Macur was an absolute travesty, on super bowl Sunday no less. No facts or research, just thoughtless verbiage. She got both Spygate and Deflategate wrong, which a lot of people have done, but I think Macur is actually a solid reporter and not a hot take artist.
That's the one. I worked at the NYT a very long time ago. Reporting like that is inexcusable. One of the first things you do, especially on a non-breaking feature story, is to read what's already been written in your paper on the subject. The NYT published at least two articles, one by Joe Nocera, and an op-ed from an MIT prof (IIRC -- I'm not going to check) setting the ball pressure nonsense straight. The Spygate story is not difficult to get right. Maybe the Times has much more lax standards for their sports reporters than the news desks. I'd have been pilloried if I'd made such basic, easily checkable, errors of fact in a news story.

Umm... I guess I'm not really over it.

Seriously, what cheesed me off about Macur's article was the journalistic malpractice, the pseudo-science and that it was in the NYT. I expect fans to be stupid or pretend to be stupid because that's fans.
 

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Yeah I was going to post that Patricia picture.
That is awesome but it might not be the best move for him in the long term. I would think you don't want your new head coach to be someone who has publicly tweaked Goodell.
 

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Yeah I was going to post that Patricia picture.
That is awesome but it might not be the best move for him in the long term. I would think you don't want your new head coach to be someone who has publicly tweaked Goodell.
It is a dumb move, and hurts him and the pats. All of it was passive aggressive enough to be above the fray, until that shirt. I am sure he still drunk, but a bad move nevertheless.
 

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It is a dumb move, and hurts him and the pats. All of it was passive aggressive enough to be above the fray, until that shirt. I am sure he still drunk, but a bad move nevertheless.
You think Roger might not like the Pats now?
 

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It's a Barstool shirt. Patricia has worn several Barstool shorts over the years. This one is not that much more overt than the nWo one from a couple years ago.
 

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It is ending.

The haters will still sputter their nonsense, but the media narrative (and, by extension, popular opinion) is already changing irrevocably away from the scandal. It will no longer be Tom Brady, great player dogged by scandal and allegations of cheating, but instead Tom Brady, the best quarterback of all time, period. The singularly gifted athlete who never lost focus throughout his two-year ordeal and put up one of greatest seasons ever by a QB (at age 39!) and culminated this journey by engineering the greatest comeback in football history.

Need a personal angle? How about a loyal son who quietly endured those outrageous slings and arrows along the way while his mother battled cancer? The warrior who spent the immediate aftermath of his greatest triumph kneeling on the field, overcome by emotion and completely spent. The man who faced his biggest accuser in person and could have used the moment to exact a little personal revenge (and, really, who would have blamed him if he did?) but instead took the high road, classy as always.

That is a powerful narrative and it will be irresistible, told and carried forth by the sports media and those who write history. America loves a redemption story and Brady will increasingly be depicted as the guy who was wronged by petty bureaucrats only to rise above it and reach greater heights. The old myths will slowly die off, replaced by this new tale of this greatest NFL player of all time. He will be glorified and celebrated even more from here on out, with constant reminders from football broadcasters and the media to appreciate his greatness while we still can. This is the renewed narrative that will accompany Tom Brady as he closes out his career and then moves on to Hall of Fame legend and beyond.

The haters, those few bitter ex-players and the fans other teams who have been slayed by Brady over the years, they are not going away, of course. Their bitter worldview will no longer carry the day, though, because the more influential members of the sports media will gradually stop catering to them. It's happening already. Though numerous in number still, the influence of these opponents will be minimized and their protestations will be seen as petty. They will eventually become the sports equivalent of those Japanese soldiers still clutching their rifles who were found on Pacific islands years after the end of World War II, figures of pathos if not deserving of pity. We Patriots fans may wince every time we are subject to this whining but it will be a temporary annoyance at worst.

It is ending.

Tom Brady won.
 

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Thank you to Kevin Faulk for setting the tone in the beginning of the season in the draft. He came out in a Brady jersey to announce their third round pick.
"The New England Patriots...AND TOM BRADY... select..."
And then paying homage to him with the Kevin Faulk direct snap play in the biggest moment of the game at the end of the season...

Things came full circle.
 

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Kevin and Marshall are at opposite ends of the pole, that's for sure.
 

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Deflategate, a frame up of a player who did absolutely nothing wrong...the league, by means absolutely foul, won the battle. Brady & the Pats, by means fair and square, fucked them right in the earhole and won the war. Sometimes, just every once in a while in this life, the bullies & assholes get what's coming to them. Vengeance has been served. 'Tis done.
 

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I have a great friend who is from Atlanta (so a Falcons fan) and his wife is from RI and bleeds Patriot blue. He and I were rationally discussing the game on facebook when one of his friends, from Atlanta, start tossing out cheaters and was harping on the patriots had drones over falcon's practices. I had not heard of that and a quick google says there was an instance where a neighbor who lives near the practice field flew it and it was forced down. He also mentioned the reporter who took Shanahan's back pack was from SF and a family friend of the local Brady's. It's amazing to me the level some folks think the Patriots will stoop to to get an edge.. those people don't need facts to support their case, because they just "know."

Even CBS stoked the flame a bit with this from the day of the Superbowl:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/super-bowl-2017-drone-caught-flying-over-falcons-practice-before-game-vs-patriots/

As long as Brady and BB lead the team to the playoffs, deflategate will resurface.
 

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So what are chances OT rules are talked about again or changed to allow a full quarter to be played before a winner is decided? Since you know, whenever the Pats win, some rule change has to be made, and they only won because OT is sudden death if a TD is scored.
 

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It is ending.

The haters will still sputter their nonsense, but the media narrative (and, by extension, popular opinion) is already changing irrevocably away from the scandal. It will no longer be Tom Brady, great player dogged by scandal and allegations of cheating, but instead Tom Brady, the best quarterback of all time, period. The singularly gifted athlete who never lost focus throughout his two-year ordeal and put up one of greatest seasons ever by a QB (at age 39!) and culminated this journey by engineering the greatest comeback in football history.

Need a personal angle? How about a loyal son who quietly endured those outrageous slings and arrows along the way while his mother battled cancer? The warrior who spent the immediate aftermath of his greatest triumph kneeling on the field, overcome by emotion and completely spent. The man who faced his biggest accuser in person and could have used the moment to exact a little personal revenge (and, really, who would have blamed him if he did?) but instead took the high road, classy as always.

That is a powerful narrative and it will be irresistible, told and carried forth by the sports media and those who write history. America loves a redemption story and Brady will increasingly be depicted as the guy who was wronged by petty bureaucrats only to rise above it and reach greater heights. The old myths will slowly die off, replaced by this new tale of this greatest NFL player of all time. He will be glorified and celebrated even more from here on out, with constant reminders from football broadcasters and the media to appreciate his greatness while we still can. This is the renewed narrative that will accompany Tom Brady as he closes out his career and then moves on to Hall of Fame legend and beyond.

The haters, those few bitter ex-players and the fans other teams who have been slayed by Brady over the years, they are not going away, of course. Their bitter worldview will no longer carry the day, though, because the more influential members of the sports media will gradually stop catering to them. It's happening already. Though numerous in number still, the influence of these opponents will be minimized and their protestations will be seen as petty. They will eventually become the sports equivalent of those Japanese soldiers still clutching their rifles who were found on Pacific islands years after the end of World War II, figures of pathos if not deserving of pity. We Patriots fans may wince every time we are subject to this whining but it will be a temporary annoyance at worst.

It is ending.

Tom Brady won.
This is excellent.
 

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I will never buy that they didn't play better this year because of their anger.

I have reconsidered my criticism of the t-shirts. I did not know it was a readily available item. Hey maybe he even got money for wearing it.
 

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I will never buy that they didn't play better this year because of their anger.

I have reconsidered my criticism of the t-shirts. I did not know it was a readily available item. Hey maybe he even got money for wearing it.
A lot of the Patriots guys are Barstool guys. Hell a lot of people period are Barstool fans. I think it's a simple as he loves their t shirts, it's a way to poke Goodell, and it's something him and his players can bond over/find common ground on.

Don't underestimate how big Barstool is becoming or how big it is in Boston. Plus their merch game is incredible.