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Figured this team will be fun to mock over the current year. The latest is that their GM, Scott McCloughlan, was shitcanned only 2 years after they hired him amid rumors of his alcoholism returning. That is not amusing but the hire, which had plenty of warning signs, was yet another disaster for a franchise that can't seem to avoid them.

And there's still no end to the Cousins saga. Let's watch another train wreck unfold!
 

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Read some Seth Wickersham, Mike Jones, Jerry Brewer, John Keim, then we can talk. Scot had his acknowledged issues, but worked hard and effectively and was universally liked and respected.

You will not believe what kicked this off, so read around. The two guys at the top have crossed from mere incompetence to evil.

I am one of those Boston fans who at times despised the way people were shown the door in Boston, particularly by the Red Sox. Those instances were child's play compared to this shameful episode.
 

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Read some Seth Wickersham, Mike Jones, Jerry Brewer, John Keim, then we can talk. Scot had his acknowledged issues, but worked hard and effectively and was universally liked and respected.

You will not believe what kicked this off, so read around. The two guys at the top have crossed from mere incompetence to evil.

I am one of those Boston fans who at times despised the way people were shown the door in Boston, particularly by the Red Sox. Those instances were child's play compared to this shameful episode.
My attention was not directed towards Scot. The way Wash handled this was disgraceful, which is the point of the thread. A truly incompetent franchise from top to bottom.
 

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Figured this team will be fun to mock over the current year. The latest is that their GM, Scott McCloughlan, was shitcanned only 2 years after they hired him amid rumors of his alcoholism returning. That is not amusing but the hire, which had plenty of warning signs, was yet another disaster for a franchise that can't seem to avoid them.

And there's still no end to the Cousins saga. Let's watch another train wreck unfold!
because he was fired for cause McCloughlan wont get any $$$ remaining from his salary... as the saying goes.... There will be lawyers
 

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This is f'ing shameful. There was light at the end of this very dark tunnel with Scot (who I thought was getting the teams act together). Cousins was playing well and the team was heading in a better direction. They make it impossible to be a fan of this franchise.

Sox and Rocks - whats your connection to the McCloughan family?
 

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I came to D.C. for college the first season that Snyder owned the Skins and have gotten a firsthand view of the shit show for the last 18 years. Snyder is one of the worst owners in sports. He's not as cheap as a Loria or a Jacobs and he meddles worse than a Steinbrenner but he doesn't hire competent people at the top, he mostly hires yes men. Washington has had enough talent and draft position to win some playoff games if Snyder left it alone he might have a winner by now.

Snyder’s issues with the media and attempt to buy the media are well documented. He started a war with the local independent newspaper and sued it and a reporter for defamation after the newspaper refused his demands to fire said reporter for writing a disparaging article. He eventually dropped the suit but not until being made to look like a moron and getting most D.C. area journalists against him.

One semi-personal anecdote, a friend interviewed for and was offered a job as one of Snyder's personal assistants and he said it was a big, Godfather, kiss the ring kind of thing with Snyder where he was as sitting at a desk and had several assistants and bodyguards standing around the room with him. When my friend was offered the job he was going to accept it but Snyder wouldn't let him give two weeks notice to his employer at the time. Snyder told him "You either accept the offer and be here tomorrow or you don't accept the offer. When you work for me, you Work. For. Me." My friend did not accept the offer.

Snyder is a jack hole and as much fun as it is to see Washington fans miserable no one deserves him as an owner. Washington will never be a good team as long as he owns them and that’s what he deserves.
 
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I have you beat by a few years. I moved to DC in 1987 after college and saw Joe Gibbs win two SBs with two JAG quarterbacks and Bobby Beathard's great roster building (Wikipedia: Prominent Beathard draft picks for Washington include Art Monk, Joe Jacoby, Mark May, Russ Grimm, Dexter Manley, Charlie Brown, Darrell Green, Charles Mann, and Gary Clark.).

There were stories about creative tension between Gibbs and Beathard and how Jack Kent Cooke made it all work by knowing how to manage the two geniuses while recognizing and mediating disagreements. Basically the opposite of what's happening now.

Having been here at the height of their glory through this long embarrassing decline, I keep telling myself it's a cautionary tale for the Patriots once Belichick and Brady retire and Bob Kraft dies. Jack Kent Cooke decided to put the team up for sale rather than leave it to his son. Snyder was able to buy the team since the NFL chose his offer over that of Cooke's son John. No telling what would have happened if the team had stayed in the family but it certainly couldn't have been any worse.

I hope and fully expect that the Krafts have studied the demise of the once great Washington team compared to say the Steelers and Giants who have maintained competence and stability over many many years.
 

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This one does not strike me as a Steve Sarkisian situation. More to the point, it seems like a textbook smear job, which fits Synder's MO.

Dan Snyder really is a horrible person.
 

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Figured this team will be fun to mock over the current year. The latest is that their GM, Scott McCloughlan, was shitcanned only 2 years after they hired him amid rumors of his alcoholism returning. That is not amusing but the hire, which had plenty of warning signs, was yet another disaster for a franchise that can't seem to avoid them.

And there's still no end to the Cousins saga. Let's watch another train wreck unfold!
My attention was not directed towards Scot. The way Wash handled this was disgraceful, which is the point of the thread. A truly incompetent franchise from top to bottom.
I just want to jump on the pile in re the disgraceful way that SM has been treated. I laughed at Washington before, now I truly hate them. And if your post wasn't directed at McCloughlan, it sure was poorly phrased because it sounds like you were criticizing his original hire, literally one of the only smart/sane things the organization has done.

Snyder and Allen are pathetic. A shame, because the team has good football fans and a great history.
 

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This one does not strike me as a Steve Sarkisian situation. More to the point, it seems like a textbook smear job, which fits Synder's MO.

Dan Snyder really is a horrible person.
He's Charlie O. Finley without any of the winning. Bill James wrote that Finley lived to make other men kneel before him. Snyder strikes me as exactly the same way.
 

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He's Charlie O. Finley without any of the winning. Bill James wrote that Finley lived to make other men kneel before him. Snyder strikes me as exactly the same way.
Its not even the winning. Snyder really seems to have no interest in football.
Finley at least had a tiny bit of Al Davis in him in the way he railed against the likes of Bowie Kuhn.
 

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This one does not strike me as a Steve Sarkisian situation. More to the point, it seems like a textbook smear job, which fits Synder's MO.

Dan Snyder really is a horrible person.
Yup, Allen too. He's never been a nice guy, but this marks new territory. They have humiliated Scot almost daily for most of the past month. Even assuming a relapse, nobody serves this. Nobody.

I was behind these guys as my NFC team the last couple of years. They can burn in hell.
 

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I'll be curious to see just how unhappy Cousins remains. How many hits does an unhappy QB have to take before deciding that he needs to sit out a game or three to get "fully healthy?"
 

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Sox and Rocks - whats your connection to the McCloughan family?
I am also from Loveland, Scot and Dave's (Scot's brother, who played in the NFL and is a scout for the Raiders) hometown. Their grandparents lived next door to the house I grew up in, and Dave was one of my coaches in high school.
 

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It says a lot about how much people understandably despise Dan Snyder that they are willing to assign most of the blame for when a guy was repeatedly showing up drunk to work to him. Having lived in DC for 13 years, I completely understand.

Even still, per dcm's first post upthread, the Seth Wickersham piece in ESPN the Magazine before McCloughan was hired by the Skins was kind of terrifying. McCloughan was openly drinking in front of Wickersham. He told a story about bonding with a player who had been busted for marijuana over the fact that this player's mom had given him his first joint at 5 years old. He describes how even tho he used to swig vodka out of Gatorade bottles when he worked for the Niners, now he only only drank beer.

I get that people really like McCloughan personally and that he's an elite talent evaluator. This is obviously a tragic story. But as the Jerry Brewer piece notes, the Redskins' first sin here was that they never should've hired him in the first place. They went into this with the express purpose of exploiting the guy's weakness because no one else would take your shitty job and then blamed it all on him when it didn't work out.

Also worth noting: Dianna "Heckuva Job" Russini who McCloughan's wife flamed on Twitter was the one who broke the Cooks/Butler negotiations yesterday.
 

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To put in some perspective, in 2010, when McCloughan did have a confirmed drinking problem, Jed York -- someone on nobody's top owner's list -- handled it with a "mutual parting of ways due to a private personnel matter." And then said:

"I wish nothing but the best for Scot," York said. "I think Scot is a very good personnel guy. I care about Scot from a personal standpoint and I hope Scot gets a job somewhere. I wish nothing but the best for he and his family. This was not a football decision"
 

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I just want to jump on the pile in re the disgraceful way that SM has been treated. I laughed at Washington before, now I truly hate them. And if your post wasn't directed at McCloughlan, it sure was poorly phrased because it sounds like you were criticizing his original hire, literally one of the only smart/sane things the organization has done.

Snyder and Allen are pathetic. A shame, because the team has good football fans and a great history.
Yes, sorry, poorly phrased on my part.
 

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It says a lot about how much people understandably despise Dan Snyder that they are willing to assign most of the blame for when a guy was repeatedly showing up drunk to work to him. Having lived in DC for 13 years, I completely understand.

Even still, per dcm's first post upthread, the Seth Wickersham piece in ESPN the Magazine before McCloughan was hired by the Skins was kind of terrifying. McCloughan was openly drinking in front of Wickersham. He told a story about bonding with a player who had been busted for marijuana over the fact that this player's mom had given him his first joint at 5 years old. He describes how even tho he used to swig vodka out of Gatorade bottles when he worked for the Niners, now he only only drank beer.

I get that people really like McCloughan personally and that he's an elite talent evaluator. This is obviously a tragic story. But as the Jerry Brewer piece notes, the Redskins' first sin here was that they never should've hired him in the first place. They went into this with the express purpose of exploiting the guy's weakness because no one else would take your shitty job and then blamed it all on him when it didn't work out.

Also worth noting: Dianna "Heckuva Job" Russini who McCloughan's wife flamed on Twitter was the one who broke the Cooks/Butler negotiations yesterday.
You sure he was showing up drunk? The Post talked to several payers who did not confirm the anonymous team source.

I think it's quite possible that he was drinking, but it was not affecting his performance, and they are using it as a pretext to fire him and not have to pay him. I'm going to need a lot more than anonymous sources before I buy the party line.
 

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Rotoworld says Cousins told Snyder he straight up wont negotiate a long-term deal if Allen is part of the franchise.
 

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I'll be curious to see just how unhappy Cousins remains. How many hits does an unhappy QB have to take before deciding that he needs to sit out a game or three to get "fully healthy?"
How bad is it in Washington when going to a dumpster fire in Santa Clara looks like a good option?
 

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Nothing that's happened over the last month makes a whole lot of sense right now. First it was a death in the family, then something else, then nothing else, and only now does he get kicked to the curb with a Francona-like exit? Feels like there's something missing here.
 

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How bad is it in Washington when going to a dumpster fire in Santa Clara looks like a good option?
This just made me think of the perfect analogy for Snyder. Joffrey Baratheon. There are idiot owners and vicious/malicious owners. York and Snyder are both shitty owners, but York's shittiness seems to be out of stupidity and a misguided sense of intelligence. Snyder's shittiness is out of malice and ego. At least York seems to have come to his senses lately. Snyder just keeps digging the hole deeper.
 
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This seems...odd


NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock has emerged as a candidate to become Washington’s general manager, sources tell @FieldYates and me.
 

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Rotoworld says Cousins told Snyder he straight up wont negotiate a long-term deal if Allen is part of the franchise.
If true, that's awesome but misguided at the same time. Allen is a symptom. The problem is Snyder. If Cousins craves stability and order like he's reported to, he won't negotiate a long-term deal under any circumstance. If he's smart, he'll make like Champ Bailey and force his way out. If he's really smart, he'll pocket the $24 million, refuse to play hurt when he inevitably does get hurt, and go to 49ers next season without costing his future team assets. As a lifelong Redskins fan, I sort of hope that's exactly what happens. Part of me hopes they never win another game.

Snyder deserves his legacy. Redskins fans deserve Snyder. The man should have been tarred, feathered, and run out of town the minute he fired Schottenheimer for not kowtowing to him. Everything that happened after that is on us.
 

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What are Redskins fans supposed to do? File for legal emancipation? The guy may be the worst owner in sports. He may be a horrible human being. But he owns the team.

I'm a Pats fan but lived in DC long enough to feel like Skins fans deserve better. You guys have a good fanbase.
 

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"official contact" and "no interviews" does not mean that he hasn't been approached about interest
 

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Getting Mayock in the building around draft day could be a boon for Washington. While he would never be privy to a team's draft board, as a media member and professional prognosticator he could have some insights to a few other teams' thinking and thought process that an average GM might not.
 

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What are Redskins fans supposed to do? File for legal emancipation? The guy may be the worst owner in sports. He may be a horrible human being. But he owns the team.

I'm a Pats fan but lived in DC long enough to feel like Skins fans deserve better. You guys have a good fanbase.
There are few positions in life as hopeless as being a rabid fan of a team owned by an incompetent. When that incompetent is relatively young, arrogant to the point of insufferable and an a-hole on top of it, you are really screwed.
 

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There are few positions in life as hopeless as being a rabid fan of a team owned by an incompetent. When that incompetent is relatively young, arrogant to the point of insufferable and an a-hole on top of it, you are really screwed.
Just read his bio. I didn't realize how young he is or how self-made he is either. Impressive fella from an entrepreneurial standpoint.
 

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It says a lot about how much people understandably despise Dan Snyder that they are willing to assign most of the blame for when a guy was repeatedly showing up drunk to work to him. Having lived in DC for 13 years, I completely understand.

Even still, per dcm's first post upthread, the Seth Wickersham piece in ESPN the Magazine before McCloughan was hired by the Skins was kind of terrifying. McCloughan was openly drinking in front of Wickersham. He told a story about bonding with a player who had been busted for marijuana over the fact that this player's mom had given him his first joint at 5 years old. He describes how even tho he used to swig vodka out of Gatorade bottles when he worked for the Niners, now he only only drank beer.

I get that people really like McCloughan personally and that he's an elite talent evaluator. This is obviously a tragic story. But as the Jerry Brewer piece notes, the Redskins' first sin here was that they never should've hired him in the first place. They went into this with the express purpose of exploiting the guy's weakness because no one else would take your shitty job and then blamed it all on him when it didn't work out.

Also worth noting: Dianna "Heckuva Job" Russini who McCloughan's wife flamed on Twitter was the one who broke the Cooks/Butler negotiations yesterday.
I think your third paragraph is the answer to your first paragraph.

I have no idea what actually happened here, but I have to assume that McCloughan probably acted in a way that justifies his termination. (Although it should be noted that players and other people close to the Redskins are pushing back on this.) But the reality is that people aren't killing Snyder for firing McCloughan, they're killing Snyder because he hired someone with a well-known "pre-existing condition" apparently because he was going to use that condition to make him the fall guy if (when?) things didn't work out.

That's bad enough, but Snyder and his team made it worse by conducting a month-long smear campaign culminating in the announcement of McCloughan's firing and then immediately clamped down on any communications so they could pretend they were acting in a dignified and respectful fashion. That's some next-level douchbaggery right there.

Snyder deserves every bit of the scorn he is receiving for how he handled the process from start to finish.
 
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Pretty neat. He got royally screwed in this deal, and I feel badly for him.


I am also from Loveland, Scot and Dave's (Scot's brother, who played in the NFL and is a scout for the Raiders) hometown. Their grandparents lived next door to the house I grew up in, and Dave was one of my coaches in high school.
 

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The worst part of all this is that Snyder will own this team until he dies or commits such a massive felony that the League is forced to take it away from him. Selling will be an admission that he has failed as an owner. And despite the fact that his team has been terrible for 19 years and every single member of his team's fanbase hates him with a fiery passion, Snyder will never, ever admit to failure. Ever.
 

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"The ball is in their court. I am under contract and comfortable playing under that contract."

Today, NFL Live interview.

The "contract" is the one-year, $24 million franchise tender -- additive to last year's $20 million franchise tender.

It is exquisite when a player -- a nice guy -- totally within the rules grabs an NFL owner by the balls and squeezes. It is doubly delightful when that owner brings sharp elbows to business dealings, treats the fan base poorly, and acts like a 6th grader.

This is awesome viewing. One cannot totally rule out Snyder dealing Cousins in an emotional fit because Cousins is abusing him. And because six grade boys have Trumpian ego.

Don't bet on it, but if Snyder deals Cousins, it likely would be to Cleveland -- to spite Shanahan in SF. A two-fer.