Farrell or . . . . ? You tell us!

Farrell in 2018? Or who?

  • Retain Farrell

  • Fire Farrell and replace him with . . . .


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BaseballJones

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That's a fair question/point. Ultimately, I'm not qualified to say my expectations are any better than yours. I'm basing my opinion there mostly on the points others have made here throughout the season. All I can say is from what I can gather, being as rational as I could be about it, I was expecting a more dominant team than this, particularly offensively. And on the offensive end, there's plenty of objective evidence that just about everyone underperformed. Beyond that, I am having a hard time articulating my stance, so I'll let others provide more details.

But, I do think that something like Bogaerts playing through an injury isn't Xander's call. It's Farrell's. But, to be fair back, I'm not 100% sure that was the "wrong" decision (as in, I haven't thought deeply about it, not that I would have done the same thing). It seems wrong in hindsight, but that's not fair. And, the really good examples out there of puzzling decisions he's made are still very much relevant to his case, but that's not about "expectations" so I'll let them stand for themselves.

My opinion hasn't changed, but I don't have anything specific that nullifies yours, so I'm ok with agreeing to disagree on it. I do think the approach is our biggest divider, though. I believe that the manager is responsible for the intangibles by default. MY approach is more about whether or not someone else could do better than it is about whether or not Farrell "deserves" to be fired. I think the case for someone else stepping in and doing a better job is compelling, and I've put Farrell on a block where I would need a compelling reason I shouldn't look into other candidates. That may seem like guilty until proven innocent, but this isn't a criminal trial. Firing a manager isn't necessarily a black mark.
Great post and it's good and healthy to talk about these things without the usual internet nonsense. :)

I'm fine if they keep Farrell, and I'm fine if they get rid of him. I really don't know everything he does, good or bad, to impact this team, and I have no idea what another, unnamed manager, would do that would improve the team or make it worse.

I wonder, if there were no managers at all, how this team would do with the players managing themselves. Most have been pros a long time and they understand what their jobs are.
 

JimD

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Varitek needs seasoning before he should be manager in Boston. At least a stint as a bench coach.
 

Green Monster

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The best I can tell, Jason Varitek has never managed in the majors, the minors, or even a little league game. Is there any indication he even wants to manage? I would think if he did he would be managing in the minors some place.
 

InsideTheParker

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I have always liked Alex Cora, and every time I hear him speak about baseball I like him more. His experience this year with the Astros seems like wonderful seasoning. Let's give him a try.
 

redsoxstiff

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JASON.
Pedey,Bradley,Bogaerts,Price must be weeded out.
 

Mugsy's Jock

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I wouldn't be outraged if Farrell returned. Three division titles and a WS ain't chopped liver, and I felt his bullpen management was on the whole more good than bad. Of course, his in-game decision-making can be spotty and there were a few instances this year (Price, Pedroia) where I wouldn't have minded seeing a little more leadership from within. I also think agree he might've been more proactive in giving Bogaerts a break here and there.

Change isn't always good. Although if Bobby Valentine is available...
 

Norm Siebern

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I worry that Farrell is starting to get "tuned out." Five years is a long time as a manager. I am also very bothered by no Reed then Kimbrel. Whoever it is we need someone who gets the team to play sharp, with as few mental mistakes as practicable. If Girardi gets fired (and there has been talk of that happening) what about him? Joe McCarthy came over from the Yanks in '48.

My choices:
Demarlo Hale
Brad Mills
Alex Cora
The wild card of Girardi.
 

nvalvo

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I worry that Farrell is starting to get "tuned out." Five years is a long time as a manager. I am also very bothered by no Reed then Kimbrel. Whoever it is we need someone who gets the team to play sharp, with as few mental mistakes as practicable. If Girardi gets fired (and there has been talk of that happening) what about him? Joe McCarthy came over from the Yanks in '48.

My choices:
Demarlo Hale
Brad Mills
Alex Cora
The wild card of Girardi.
That is indeed a wild card.
 
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