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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
What instincts? Shank's entire anti-Agon argument has been that he's been on some teams that have collapsed, therefore he must be the reason. "The Cooler." It's fucking simplistic and stupid, and even Shank admits today that AGon's Sept/Oct numbers aren't bad at all.
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Shank has been arguing since 2011 (in his admittedly trollish way) that Gonzalez's clubhouse presence is a something of a drag on his teams and not in line with the leadership expected of a guy with his production and salary. To be clear, this isn't a federal case and Shank admits he's having fun with this to some extent. But I think history since that time has borne his take out, and this latest kerfuffle as well. A-Gon isn't really a team leader.
 
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Plympton91

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Lose Remerswaal said:
Jacoby Ellsbury didn't get to the World Series.
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Neither did Pablo Sandoval, Rusney Castillo, or Allen Craig.

Unlike those 3, Ellsbury still has managed a positive major league WAR in each of the past 3 seasons.

Grass ain't always greener. With Hanley's atrocious impression of a DH this year, there still has yet to be a year during that contract where Ellsbury wouldn't have been better than what the Red Sox ran out there at at least one position in the OF or DH.

2014---waste a year of eligibility on a not ready for the show JBJ

2015--HRam has the worst season of any LF ever

2016--LF is a similar wasteland until Benintendi arrives in mid August.

2017--with the OF finally solid, HRam again sucks at DH (and Bradley backslides terribly).

Still looking for evidence they wouldn't be better off with Ellsbury and rid of Hanley or Sandoval for luxury tax purposes (and probably also not paying Castillo to be Pawtuckets MVP, and maybe not trading for Craig)
 
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Just a bit outside

Just a bit outside

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Not signing Ellsbury was a good decision. Signing Sandoval, Castillo, Ramirez?, and trading for Craig were bad decisions. Just because that made poor decisions with the money they saved by not signing Ells doesn't make that decision bad.
 
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Plympton91

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E5 Yaz said:
Given the 3B outfield, where would we play Jacoby Ellsbury?
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Ellsbury' OPS was 25 point higher than Jackie Bradley's plus 22/25 stolen bases.

OPS equal to Hanley Ramirez, with the stolen bases, the ability to play defensive positions, and not the worst baserunning number in MLB.

This isn't about me pining for Jacoby Ellsbury, it's to point out that yeah; Ellsbury's the Yankees 5th outfielder going into 2018; but he'd probably still be starting for the Red Sox.

Keep that in mind when projecting which team will win the pennant next year.
 
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vadertime said:
Henry Owens now a Dodger having been claimed on waivers from Arizona.
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Wait...whoa.. I must have missed something.. When did he go to Arizona? Did the Sox put him on waivers? When did Arizona claim him? He showed such promise a few years ago.
 
sean1562

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The Dbacks claimed him like two weeks ago, the Sox wanted him off the 40 man. I think they only had space for Owens or Brian Johnson, and with with Johnson.
 
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