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Discussion in 'MLB Discussion' started by Lose Remerswaal, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    This is a not a great quote by you:

    Yes, you admitted that it was bad, but even if Andersen threw five scoreless innings every time he pitched for the Red Sox, it was only for one month. There was nothing significant about it.

    And Andersen's 1990 Postseason line was three games, three innings, three hits, three walks, two runs, 2.00 WHIP and a 6.00 ERA. He was not good.

    I'm sorry, but these are barely arguments. Larry Andersen came to the Red Sox on August 30, 1990. In two days, the Major League rosters expanded--I would wager that there probably wasn't even a corresponding move that the Sox had to make to get someone off the 24-man roster. Andersen didn't take anyone's place. He didn't move anyone down the totem pole. Andersen was added, nothing was taken away. And like I wrote above, he got into four out of eight high leveraged game and pitched poorly in half those games.

    So Neyer just made this whole argument up to sell books? You're being pedantic, this was a bad move that didn't sew up the AL East for the Red Sox. They probably would have won the league anyway and had a very average pitcher to show for a Hall of Famer.
     
  2. Rovin Romine

    Rovin Romine Johnny Rico Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    OK, since you need to overtly hear it (for whatever reason) it's a shitty trade. I think we both agree on that.

    Further, the numbers clearly show, in the most scientific and accurate fashion, that Anderson did and could not have contributed to the Sox's final result in 1990 in any positive fashion.

    Furthermore, it's a given that Jeff Bagwell would have played his entire career for the Sox, just like Mo Vaughn, and we would have gotten a WS sometime in the 90s, just like the Astros.

    You win.
     
  3. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Ryan LaMarre hitting .310 for the Twins after a 3 for 4 day yesterday
     
  4. DrBlinky

    DrBlinky Member SoSH Member

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    Another thing in regards to the Andersen trade was that Gorman thought he was getting him as more than a one month rental. He was already under contract for 1991 but was then given his free agency in Nov 1990 as part of the collusion settlements.
     
  5. Al Zarilla

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    Watching parts of a few Giants games the last week and it seems really weird to see Sandoval play kind of well. He’s filing in at first, second and third base and doesn’t look like a fool at any of them. Hitting ok too. Maybe another guy that just couldn’t handle Boston?
     
  6. Red(s)HawksFan

    Red(s)HawksFan Member SoSH Member

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  7. donutogre

    donutogre Member SoSH Member

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    His OPS is over 100 for the first time since 2014. I have kept the occasional eye on his stats because I'm a masochist, but I truly didn't expect him to be anything than a mediocre part-time player at best. At this point, he's actually contributing. Didn't see that coming.

    EDIT: went back and looked at his game logs and it seems he's mostly still coming off the bench. Guess he's closer to that part-time mediocrity I expected, but it's also not easy to come off the bench and hit decently well on a regular basis.
     
  8. Al Zarilla

    Al Zarilla Member SoSH Member

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    He hit another decent bomb at AT&T today. Announcer said his shoulders were both healthy this spring and the Giants decided to go with him again. He makes the minimum $$, so why not? His WAR is still around zero though. I guess I’m a bad guy hoping he sucks.
     
  9. Rovin Romine

    Rovin Romine Johnny Rico Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    How does a Red Sox fan choose to root, in any way, for Sandoval over Buchholz?
     
  10. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Exactly.

    Ask 100 Red Sox fans and 97 of them would root for Buchholz here. He did his level best here, while the other guy took the money and . . . . that's about it
     
  11. simplicio

    simplicio Well-Known Member Gold Supporter

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  12. Mugsy's Jock

    Mugsy's Jock Longtime Member Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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  13. Hank Scorpio

    Hank Scorpio Member SoSH Member

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    Adrian Gonzalez has been released by the Mets. Someone might take a flier on him, but he seems pretty cooked at this point.
     
  14. sean1562

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    Not the HoF career we all dreamed of for him when we got him, but a pretty solid one nonetheless. 42.3 bWAR is def a career to be proud of.
     
  15. Rovin Romine

    Rovin Romine Johnny Rico Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I think Gonzo leaving LA gave us the final number for the Punto Trade, at least in terms of value per years of control the teams got out of the principal trade pieces.

    In terms of secondary pieces, we resigned Ivan De Jesus to a ml deal recently, and RDL would be playing for Arizona, but for his second TJ surgery. I think everyone else is out of baseball, except for Flores, who is still playing A ball for the Diamondbacks.

    In terms of control being traded for control, RDL/Webster became Miley, who (with others) became Carson Smith. . .but the book should probably be closed on that. For the Dodgers, Gonzales (and others) became the surprisingly effective Matt Kemp of 2018.
     
  16. lexrageorge

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    Federowicz has since appeared in 1 more game for the Astros. After going 1 for 7 in 2 games, he was designated for assignment, and has since been outrighted to AAA. Career slash line of .195/.243/.312/.555 in 325 major league plate appearances.

    Other "notables" in the Bedard trade:

    Juan Rodriguez (RHP): never made it out of minors, out of baseball since 2012.
    Steven Fife (RHP): 6.79 ERA for AAA Columbus (Cleveland). Hasn't thrown a pitch in major leagues since 2014.
    Chih-Hsien Chiang (RF/2B): Last seen playing in Australia somewhere. Never made it out of minors.
    Trayvon Robinson (LF): Went from Dodgers to Seattle in the deal. 0.602 career OPS in 319 plate appearances.

    Josh Fields (RHP): Lost to Astros in the Rule 5 draft. Traded to Dodgers by Astros for minor league prospect in 2016. Appears to be anchored in Dodger's pen as a 7th/8th inning setup man. He got hit hard his last outing on 6/7.

    Bedard, meanwhile, was just awful in the 3 seasons after he left the Sox as free agent.
     
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  17. santadevil

    santadevil Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Bedard wasn't all that great with the Sox either.

    I remember right before they acquired him, he pitched a stinker of a game and supposedly had been telling people that if he pitched bad enough he wouldn't get traded.
     
  18. Rovin Romine

    Rovin Romine Johnny Rico Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    That's like, epic bad.
     
  19. lexrageorge

    lexrageorge Member SoSH Member

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    He pitched 4 scoreless innings in the second half of a double-header against the A's on 8/27. He was pulled after 4 innings, having thrown 78 pitches while walking 4 batters, so he did not get the win in the Sox 4-0 victory. Instead, Aceves would earn his 9th win of the season (against 1 loss), with Bard and Papelbon throwing scoreless innings to close it out. The win put the 82-51 Sox up 2 games on the Yankees, and the team seemed well positioned to win at least a wild-card berth, with the 3rd place Rays 9 games back.

    After that scoreless outing, Bedard would give up 3 runs in 6 innings in his next start, good enough to earn his first and only win with the Red Sox during their 12-7 victory over the Rangers. He would then have to miss a couple of turns through the rotation with injury, and could not pitch past the 4th inning in either of his 2 remaining starts.

    The Sox would go 8-21 from 8/27 onwards to finish one game out of the playoffs.
     
  20. mauidano

    mauidano Mai Tais for everyone! SoSH Member

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    The end of an era for a great LH hitter....Gonzo is gonzo. Remembered not only for that sweet swing but as a part of the infamous Nick Punto trade.

    After tonight’s game we have given Adrián González his unconditional release. On Tuesday, we will designate catcher Jose Lobaton for assignment, will recall Dominic Smith from Las Vegas and will select the contract of Ty Kelly from Las Vegas. #Mets
     
  21. SydneySox

    SydneySox A dash of cool to add the heat SoSH Member

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    Played very well this season for my *beloved home town Blue Sox.

    *not beloved
     
  22. NDame616

    NDame616 will bailey SoSH Member

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    F&M have gone on for several days about haring whispers about Hanley and why he may have bee DFAed and why they're aren't any takers yet. Said there's some crazy stories out there. Anyone hear anything?
     
  23. cromulence

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  24. Tokyo Sox

    Tokyo Sox Baka Gaijin Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Yeah. I came to the thread to see if that article had been posted yet. As vomit-inducing as the headline and first few paragraphs are, this is the part that made me start actively rooting against him:
    What the hell.
     
  25. richgedman'sghost

    richgedman'sghost Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    First it was Brady ..Now Clay..How long before Chara is exposed as a friend of Trump..
     
  26. Van Everyman

    Van Everyman Member SoSH Member

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    It seems pretty clear that Trump—for all his failings as a human being—was a pretty loyal friend to a number of celebrities before he entered politics. What’s surprising is that no one has turned on him since.
     
  27. mt8thsw9th

    mt8thsw9th anti-SoSHal SoSH Member

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    You know, I was going to answer "me" when someone asked who would root for Pablo over Fire Marshall Buchholz, and that was before seeing that. This just gives me more ammo outside of "he looks like a POS".
     
  28. mauidano

    mauidano Mai Tais for everyone! SoSH Member

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    We have had the pleasure to spend a little bit of time with Clay and his wife in the past here. They have been a part of Shane Victorino's Annual Golf Tournament. Couldn't meet two nicer people. Really liked them.

    So upon learning of his friendship with Trump, it sours my point of view a bit. But whatever; Clay has never been the brightest bulb in the lamp. Sometimes you just can't fix stupid.
     
  29. nattysez

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    Evan Longoria broke his hand today, so your new starting 3b for the SF Giants is...the Sox-subsidized Panda.
     
  30. Tokyo Sox

    Tokyo Sox Baka Gaijin Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Yeah yeah. But his favor player is DEREK JETER.
     
  31. ngruz25

    ngruz25 Bibby SoSH Member

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    Michael Kopech is having a rough go of it at AAA. He has a 5.20 ERA in 13 starts. He’s striking guys out, but he’s a wee bit wild. His Daniel Bard-esque line last night:

    3 IP, 2 H, 5 ER, 8 BB (!!), 2 SO, 2 HBP, 5 WP (!!!)

    He has a 6.1 BB/9 to go along with 9 HBP and 8 WP, although that latter number is a little skewed because it includes last night.
     
  32. InsideTheParker

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  33. Red(s)HawksFan

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    Clay Buchholz to the DL with a strained oblique.

     
  34. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Clay was injured swinging at a pitch
     
  35. Van Everyman

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  36. Bowhemian

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    Oh man, I strained my left oblique in the batting cage one day. Holy crap that hurt. Felt like I got shot.
     
  37. Over Guapo Grande

    Over Guapo Grande panty merchant SoSH Member

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    At least it wasn't pinch running.
     
  38. Bergs

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    John Lester just blasted a 3 run oppo HR.
     
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  39. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    More to straight away CF, but it really was smoked
     
  40. DeadlySplitter

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    Victorino finally officially retires.

     
  41. Van Everyman

    Van Everyman Member SoSH Member

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  42. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Don't worry

    About a thing.
     
  43. uk_sox_fan

    uk_sox_fan Member SoSH Member

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    Dude thinks he’s Rick Porcello or something.
     
  44. rlcave3rd

    rlcave3rd lurker

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  45. Tokyo Sox

    Tokyo Sox Baka Gaijin Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Daisuke is currently nursing a sore back but expects to return for the NPB All-Star Game, where he very well may start, since he is leading vote getter. That's right. Daisuke Matsuzaka might start the Japanese ASG.
     
  46. SydneySox

    SydneySox A dash of cool to add the heat SoSH Member

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    Context please.

    Which one sucks?
     
  47. Tokyo Sox

    Tokyo Sox Baka Gaijin Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Neither! He’s made 7 starts and has a 2.41 ERA in 37.1 IP, with 35 K’s. Still walking plenty of guys but basically he’s been decent and the whole country is enjoying his redemption story.

    I should note that they usually play two All-Star Games in different cities so he’s more like “a” starter than “the” starter.
     
  48. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Tigers released Junichi Tazawa
     
  49. SumnerH

    SumnerH Malt Liquor Picker Dope

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    Junior investment banker Jed Lowrie is now in as an All-Star for the first time, named as an injury replacement for Gleyber Torres.

    Jed Lowrie’s snub righted, named to first All-Star Game of his career

    He's having a heck of a year: Current line is .287/.356/.500 for a .856 OPS, 137 OPS+, 16 HR on the season.

    rWAR has him at 3.3 so far, more than 80% of the way to equaling last year's career high.
     
  50. Rovin Romine

    Rovin Romine Johnny Rico Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Man, he sure looked like part of the long term Sox puzzle as a 26 year old at the end of 2010. . .I will always root for him.
     

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