That is true, but Torre also proved to be a good personality fit for them, more than Buck was.
Eventually that wore off, but the initial success was...impressive.
Girardi Out As Yankee Manager
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Eventually that wore off, but the initial success was...impressive.
My co-host on Sports & Sorts wants Kapler. I think this is a dumb move on the part of the Yankees, so hooray! Now fire/don't rehire Cashman and we're in business!
Somewhere in Pinstripe heaven Yogi is chuckling: 'Hell I got to the 7th game of the Series and I got fired...and that was just the first time...'
There's no way Washington pays Girardi after refusing to pay Dusty (after initially refusing to pay Bud Black)
Quoting this so I have it in my history next time someone says "Only Boston kills people on their way out of town!!"
I was trying to be inclusive and not like that misogynistic Heyman who automatically rules out have the population of the US.
Just in terms of exeprience, it worked out well for the Astros when Larry Dierker went straight from the booth to the dugout.
Don't be a misogynist. Not a good look. Women who are qualified should get a shot as well.
Fair point. The Yankees only do once every 10 or 12 years or so though.
edit: At least over the last couple of decades. Heh. Loved Billy Martin and some of those guys.
It’s not being a misogynist to say that a woman won’t be getting the Yankees job it’s being realistic.
The Nats apparently considered him back in 2006 after his firing from the Marlins, when Frank Robinson left the Nats. Even then the Lerners were unwilling to pony up what it took. And to be fair, Girardi was waiting on the Yankee job which came open the following year. This was posted this morning before the news broke about Girardi.
I think Phil Jackson would bring both a NYC connection and a championship patina to the job.
Him or Arod.
Him or Arod.
So, how ironclad is Cora's contract? /ducks
In all seriousness, three teams who won 90+ games fired their managers this year. Are expectations just generally too high around the league? I mean, if it ain't broke (or broke just a little bit with a chance to get into the tournament every year)...
In all seriousness, three teams who won 90+ games fired their managers this year. Are expectations just generally too high around the league? I mean, if it ain't broke (or broke just a little bit with a chance to get into the tournament every year)...
It’s not realistic until WE start thinking it IS realistic.
Don’t be a part of the problem, be a part of the solution.
If not for the media circus maximus, I wouldn't mind ARod as the bench coach at all. But there is no escaping the spectacle.
The Nats are in a box, and I'll be ordering the popcorn because although I root for them in the NL, they have handled the manager position in an awful way.
I cannot imagine Girardi will take short years at short money -- unless his plan is to hit pay dirt next season and then bolt, and that is risky because there are no guarantees.
If he insists on a market rate contract based on his stature, the Nats will have an interesting decision to make. If past is prologue and they shop in the bargain aisle, God help them if a young new guy comes in, crashes and burns.
The same holds true for the Nats reported interest in Farrell.
EDIT -- the word here is that one of Cashman and Giradi had to go because they tired of each other, and the Yanks chose Cashman. Is that valid?
Former great players don’t make good managers, and he’s also rich so why take on the headache? Maybe you were just sayin’ he is well liked though. The guy does continue to amaze as an analyst in his post season gigs. Maybe he should throw his hat in the ring? But he won’t.
That's an interesting point. With respect to NYY and Boston, I think some commonality might be that both teams are anchored by really young players. Maybe in both cases, management is making the hard choice to look forward as to how best to maximize that youth, as a separate consideration from the team's success this year. Maybe its a cousin of getting rid of a player a year too soon rather than a year too late.
I think Baker's is a bit different because the Nats' management is screwy.
OK you can pretend that a woman has a chance of being named manager of the Yankees, I'm fine with that.
Sorry I'll stop derailing the thread now.
Edit: and it's possible(likely?) I'm a bit dense.
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Oh my goodness gracious does someone need their sarcasm meter checked.
I think managers have the same “peaks” as players. 8-10 years and fresh leadership is needed. After 2007 and 2 titles I wouldn’t have believed Tito would be gone in 4 years. Frankly it’s probably the right way to handle it, as opposed to the Supreme Court style appointment Scioscia has had in LA. He should have been gone 5-6 years ago.
Did the Yanks also maddeningly run into an infinite number of outs on the basepaths?
Difference is that BOS had a bunch of young guys underperform from last year, and the MFYs, well, didn't.
No, but Girardi did kinda call out Sanchez a few weeks ago in public.
Farrell's teams have always been crappy on the basepaths to the point where we obsess about them. Girardi likely has the same type of quirks. Whether they should have kicked him to the curb for that, I dunno.
I am utterly stumped as to who they might have in mind to replace him.
Ten years is a long time for any manager in one job. Torre got 12. When Torre's time came after the 2007 season, Cashman did not support him. Now it looks like Cashman made the decision on Girardi. The organization is his to run with Hal holding final approval rights. Cashman has never been more powerful in his job than now, and he deserves a big raise in his new contract. Cashman was Torre's lieutenant, and Girardi's commanding officer. Now he is a general. His new manager could come out of nowhere. But he will be analytical and young.
I’m not, but thanks for going there. I’m asking if that’s what he actually said. And why I put “gal” in quotation marks.
This goes right up there with the Timberlake-Jackson planned Nipplegate performance being sexual harassment as contenders for Hot Take of the Week
This may be true, but I have heard Buck and GM Dan Duquette absolutely hate each other.
Of course, I have also heard that Angelos is pro-Buck, so you are probably correct.
Just seeing this and seeing that it was Cashman's call, I'm totally on board, as Cashman can do no wrong recently.
Or multiple people even, looking forward to seeing who they get.
For sure. He was horrible in Atlanta and a God in NY. He was in the right place at the right time.
I don't follow the Y-game threads here, but was there discussion among Y-fans here about Joe's abilities as manager or serious speculation that he was going to be fired? My sense from living in metro NYC was that most Y-fans liked the guy.or as much as fans like managers
As to Cashman, he was born under a good sign..
Fans love to second guess the manager, he definitely got a lot of flak at times, but a lot of the time it is just because fans don't have enough info ("Why didn't he bring in XXX here?" Two hours later, it turns out that XXX wasn't actually available.). I don't think he's being fired for his in-game decisions or for his media relations, I think it's about his relationships with the players, but clearly we will learn more in the days to come.
Coup kind of hates him, though, maybe he can chime in.
Coup kind of hates him, though, maybe he can chime in.
Joel ShermanVerified account @Joelsherman1 4m4 minutes ago
1/A hammer sees all problems as nails sticking up, Girardi was grinder who only knew 1 way to get thru all issues: strong-mindedness
2/work ethic, passion. HIs temperament was a fastball without a changeup. It helped him both climb walls and build walls between people.
1/A hammer sees all problems as nails sticking up, Girardi was grinder who only knew 1 way to get thru all issues: strong-mindedness
2/work ethic, passion. HIs temperament was a fastball without a changeup. It helped him both climb walls and build walls between people.
And here is a full Sherman piece, he is generally the most tapped in of the Yankee beat writers:
http://nypost.com/2017/10/26/what-made-joe-girardi-a-success-cost-him-his-job/
http://nypost.com/2017/10/26/what-made-joe-girardi-a-success-cost-him-his-job/
Pulled from that piece, here is Sherman's speculation on who they might hire:
"Those who know Cashman say he will prioritize someone with whom he has a preexisting relationship. Cashman believes the GM and manager have to communicate so regularly and have such external stresses put on their bond that the comfort/confidence/trust level in each other must be steely from the outset.
So current bench coach Rob Thomson could be in play, as could former hitting coach Kevin Long — though, no pun intended, I think he would be a long shot. Yankees people really like Josh Paul, whose minor league work with Gary Sanchez was praised, and Reggie Willits, a minor league hitting coach and baserunning guru particularly liked by Gary Denbo, who recently left for Derek Jeter’s Marlins front office.
Raul Ibanez is seen around the game as being cut from the Roberts mold of having the sincerity and warm personality to have effective bonds with players old and young and of varying backgrounds. Hensley Meulens is a former Yankee who could come into play.
There will be others — most of whom like those named here have never managed in the majors, so there will be huge risks. But Cashman was willing to take on the risk because he sees a larger reward if he can find the right person."
"Those who know Cashman say he will prioritize someone with whom he has a preexisting relationship. Cashman believes the GM and manager have to communicate so regularly and have such external stresses put on their bond that the comfort/confidence/trust level in each other must be steely from the outset.
So current bench coach Rob Thomson could be in play, as could former hitting coach Kevin Long — though, no pun intended, I think he would be a long shot. Yankees people really like Josh Paul, whose minor league work with Gary Sanchez was praised, and Reggie Willits, a minor league hitting coach and baserunning guru particularly liked by Gary Denbo, who recently left for Derek Jeter’s Marlins front office.
Raul Ibanez is seen around the game as being cut from the Roberts mold of having the sincerity and warm personality to have effective bonds with players old and young and of varying backgrounds. Hensley Meulens is a former Yankee who could come into play.
There will be others — most of whom like those named here have never managed in the majors, so there will be huge risks. But Cashman was willing to take on the risk because he sees a larger reward if he can find the right person."