Guess Who's Coming to Lunch: April 19th Set for the WH Visit

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lexrageorge

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Can't realistically blame anyone for showing up. Most folks don't get a lot of chances to visit the White House as an invited guest of the President, and I don't think it's up to any of us here to judge what that means for an individual. Others may feel that it's a team event which should transcend politics.

Can't blame anyone for staying away either.
 

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There sure are alot of somber faces in that particular photo...
I don't know what you mean. They all look pretty joyful to me.



Edit: the only Patriot with more of a stinkface today is Sweetleaf.
 
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I'm still disappointed that so many showed up today.
I would have loved it if no one came but at least Brady made the right choice. Family more important and even if that's unfounded speculation to come up with a reason as to not go, why put yourself front and center and confirm that you support the Orange dictator. Just my beliefs but I also believe at the same time the fact a few key people support Trump should have no bearing on myself as a fan. I view the team the same as when Obama was doing a great job in office.
 
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Yeah, screw people that don't hold the same steadfast political beliefs as I do!
This is why we can't have nice things and the custom needs to go. It's supposed to be a nice for the players. Go or not, but no pressure either way.

But noooo ... everyone has to go Kos or Gerry Callahan on this, so these guys can't win. Politics 24/7.

Blow it up.
 

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However, I cannot in my own opinion at any of the Pats who showed up today because it is a great honor to meet the President. In my mind, I try to separate the political office from the person or political party occupying it. In most cases, it should be a non political event meant to honor a team's accomplishments. It is too bad that in today's hyper political environment, politics has to enter and hijack an event meant to be an honor, not a test of an individual's political beliefs.
 

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As much as I don't care for Trump, I thought that was a nice little ceremony he gave the team and the men/women of the military.
 

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This is why we can't have nice things and the custom needs to go. It's supposed to be a nice for the players. Go or not, but no pressure either way.

But noooo ... everyone has to go Kos or Gerry Callahan on this, so these guys can't win. Politics 24/7.

Blow it up.
Are the people that are blowing it up really that important? I'm not sure it's "everyone"; just a couple of folks desperate for viewers/readers/listeners. Even most SoSH members seem OK with it.
 

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this was a great move to have it so early i sure wish Denver had their withe house visit in arpil as well

just think u were 2 missed jamie collins plays in AFC Tittie game from a 3-peat
 

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Alan Branch giving a great explanation of his absence on CNN. Cannot support, "locker room talk" and is not missing a daughter's game to meet a man he doesn't respect.
 
Looks like the Patriots didn't appreciate that image circulating of the 2015 vs 2017 White House visits.



Their twitter even bent over backwards trying to prove it was a good turnout.

Kraft sticking up for his buddy, President Trump. To the frustration of many New Englanders (and SoSHers), this organization loves Trump. Hey, at least they're consistent.



 
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That they support Trump is a separate, horrifying issue. That THIS is the scenario that they flip out and go all twitter aggressive about something, not to mention something so deeply inconsequential, is really embarrassing, imo.

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Is that really "flipping out" and going "all twitter aggressive"?
Obviously you being embarrassed is your call but this is inconsequential in every way, just like a championship sports team visiting the president should be.
 

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That they support Trump is a separate, horrifying issue. That THIS is the scenario that they flip out and go all twitter aggressive about something, not to mention something so deeply inconsequential, is really embarrassing, imo.

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Starting a tweet storm about inconsequential crowd size? Where'd the Pats get that idea?
 

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That they support Trump is a separate, horrifying issue. That THIS is the scenario that they flip out and go all twitter aggressive about something, not to mention something so deeply inconsequential, is really embarrassing, imo.

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I could care less what the Patriots twitter account says. I'm sorry that some people can't separate politics and football but I see this as a giant nothingburger.
 

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I could care less what the Patriots twitter account says. I'm sorry that some people can't separate politics and football but I see this as a giant nothingburger.
Exactly. Why anyone would give a fuck as to how the Pats respond to off the field stuff like this is beyond me. To me this side show is all a tiny tree in a forest of amazing fortune.

And the only statement Tom Brady made yesterday is that a trip to the White House is not more important to him than spending time with his mother and family. When previously asked why he skipped the Obama version of this, he responded that he wasn't given much advance notice and could not make it work given already many plans. Anyone trying to make this a statement about Trump is ignoring Tom's demonstrated priorities and making the present narrative fit their own agenda.
 

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It is ridiculous to say that people's opposition to Trump is about politics, like it's small government and corporate tax breaks they have a problem with.

The guy is an admitted sexual assailant and racist.

I also think some people might have a problem with Kraft's over the top support of Trump when he's never been quiet about how the Patriots won't sign players accused of sexual assault. There is a lot of cognitive dissonance there.
 

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This is going to be a thing now:

Failing @nytimes, which has been calling me wrong for two years, just got caught in a big lie concerning New England Patriots visit to W.H.
 

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It is ridiculous to say that people's opposition to Trump is about politics, like it's small government and corporate tax breaks they have a problem with.

The guy is an admitted sexual assailant and racist.

I also think some people might have a problem with Kraft's over the top support of Trump when he's never been quiet about how the Patriots won't sign players accused of sexual assault. There is a lot of cognitive dissonance there.
What's been so over the top about it?
 

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It's a friendship, but people refuse to observe lines between the personal and political. So we can't have nice things.

I've had season tickets for 21 years. I can pretty much guarantee that my political views are at sharp variance from those seated around me. Not because they voice their views -- they do not, and that's the point: except for one guy a row behind me, people recognize that for three hours each Sunday, this is a blessed occasion to get away from all that. The stadium is a secular church. (The basis for my guarantee? Demographics and my knowledge of the city; for the most part, the people seated around me are of different backgrounds and occupations, and one can make sensible generalizations.)

Now, for some time and increasingly, the personal is the political -- or so the talking heads and social media insist. If you don't take sides, you are aiding and abetting the enemy. If you are a friend of a guy who has behaved badly, YOU are a bad guy.

Then we get cute stuff like the solemn paper of record playing games with photos because its writers and editors are still sore about the wrong guy winning the election:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/patriots-slam-york-times-photos-021641667.html

This custom, charming and valuable when people had sense, has now outlived its usefulness.
 
I could care less what the Patriots twitter account says. I'm sorry that some people can't separate politics and football but I see this as a giant nothingburger.
To be clear, I'm with you. I wouldn't have cared if every player showed up or if nobody visited the WH. I'm not a Trump guy and didn't vote for him, but I also don't have this overwhelming hatred for the president like so many others on this site and everywhere else.

My point is the organization's relationship is a "thing" even if some Pats fans don't want to buy into it. If you follow the Pats twitter account, you'll know it's normally as boring as Belichick's press conferences. And for that account to send out three separate tweets to address the attendance and dispute the NY Times pic was....unusual.

The morning guys on Mad Dog's channel were joking around saying Kraft, Brady, and Belichick are going to change the helmet and replace it with a "Flying Trump" logo. On FS1 and CSNNE they were discussing how this team is aligned with Trump from a PR perspective at this point. I have a friend who only refers to NE as "Trump's team". He does it to make one of other other friends angry (and it works). Me personally, I'd be fine if they did put Trump on the helmet. Or Hillary. Or Obama. Just keep winning...
 

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To be clear, I'm with you. I wouldn't have cared if every player showed up or if nobody visited the WH. I'm not a Trump guy and didn't vote for him, but I also don't have this overwhelming hatred for the president like so many others on this site and everywhere else.

My point is the organization's relationship is a "thing" even if some Pats fans don't want to buy into it. If you follow the Pats twitter account, you'll know it's normally as boring as Belichick's press conferences. And for that account to send out three separate tweets to address the attendance and dispute the NY Times pic was....unusual.

The morning guys on Mad Dog's channel were joking around saying Kraft, Brady, and Belichick are going to change the helmet and replace it with a "Flying Trump" logo. On FS1 and CSNNE they were discussing how this team is aligned with Trump from a PR perspective at this point. I have a friend who only refers to NE as "Trump's team". He does it to make one of other other friends angry (and it works). Me personally, I'd be fine if they did put Trump on the helmet. Or Hillary. Or Obama. Just keep winning...
The tweets on the Pats official Twitter account may be unusual; but what the Times did was particularly egregious, and by attempting to make Trump look bad, they dragged the Patriots organization into it. So NWE was right to respond; what the Times did was borderline unprofessional.
 

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The tweets on the Pats official Twitter account may be unusual; but what the Times did was particularly egregious, and by attempting to make Trump look bad, they dragged the Patriots organization into it. So NWE was right to respond; what the Times did was borderline unprofessional.
Exactly. There is so much ammo to use on Trump. The NY Times doesn't need to invent more.
 

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Oh for fuck's sake. Alan Branch once made a mistake so he forfeits his right to ever set examples for his kids ever again?

I hate this whole thing. I've never cared for a second about any athlete's politics but it's different now with the current clown show we have running our country. I can somewhat understand why some players went. But the owner's friendship with Trump makes me think less of him. I know he doesn't give a shit. Whatever, that's how I feel. I miss the days when he was just the guy who saved football in NE and hired the greatest coach ever.
 

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Oh for fuck's sake. Alan Branch once made a mistake so he forfeits his right to ever set examples for his kids ever again?

I hate this whole thing. I've never cared for a second about any athlete's politics but it's different now with the current clown show we have running our country. I can somewhat understand why some players went. But the owner's friendship with Trump makes me think less of him. I know he doesn't give a shit. Whatever, that's how I feel. I miss the days when he was just the guy who saved football in NE and hired the greatest coach ever.
Why focus only on Kraft? Brady and Belichick are also friendly with Trump. If the President is to believed, Belichick even strengthened his letter to the then candidate so he could make better use of it on the campaign trail. Logically, you should think less of all of them, and maybe in fact you do.
 

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Trump and Kraft being buddies was a non-story 2 years ago. Now we need to hate him because, politics.

Dumb. I'd have less respect for him if he bailed on the friendship.
 

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It just doesn't hit my radar. I have good friends/family who are big Trump supporters, and honestly, that doesn't really matter to me either. I have a no discussing politics rule when we're hanging out, because all it does is lead to someone getting angry or feelings getting hurt. People feel the way they feel, and you can't change it. I still strongly believe that Kraft, Brady, or Belichick can be friends with Trump and not fully agree with what he says or does.

As for the Patriots, I rely on them to entertain me for 3-4 hours every Sunday for 20 or so weeks from September to February. That's all they need to do. Their political beliefs are their business.
 

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Why focus only on Kraft? Brady and Belichick are also friendly with Trump. If the President is to believed, Belichick even strengthened his letter to the then candidate so he could make better use of it on the campaign trail. Logically, you should think less of all of them, and maybe in fact you do.
Yes, completely agree. Makes me think less of the coach and qb too.
 

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NYT fucked up and acknowledged it:

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The Pats should be pissed that someone dishonestly dragged them into stupid political BS on a day that should only be focused on how great their accomplishment was last season.
 

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NYT fucked up and acknowledged it:

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The Pats should be pissed that someone dishonestly dragged them into stupid political BS on a day that should only be focused on how great their accomplishment was last season.
Nobody dragged the Pats into anything. Nobody forced them to send 3 tweets in response to the NYT's bogus story. They chose to respond. If they hadn't this non story would be even more of a non story right now.

For the record, my opinion of Kraft, Brady, and Belichick hasn't changed a whit due to Trump.
 

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Nobody dragged the Pats into anything. Nobody forced them to send 3 tweets in response to the NYT's bogus story. They chose to respond. If they hadn't this non story would be even more of a non story right now.

For the record, my opinion of Kraft, Brady, and Belichick hasn't changed a whit due to Trump.
I hate this logic, it is the exact thing that made deflategate go... If no one feels compelled to set the record straight even on a Patriots Forum there is no wonder why the rest of the country has no problem buying hook, line and sinker that Bradys' man deflated footballs. If no-one responded to the NYT story with a counter argument everyone across the country would buy bad data. I'm baffled that a person on this forum after the last two years takes this stance frankly. Crap now I'm in this political crap fest of a thread taking away from a quick visit of the NFL Champion NE Patriots to the White house.
 

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I hate this logic, it is the exact thing that made deflategate go... If no one feels compelled to set the record straight even on a Patriots Forum there is no wonder why the rest of the country has no problem buying hook, line and sinker that Bradys' man deflated footballs. If no-one responded to the NYT story with a counter argument everyone across the country would buy bad data. I'm baffled that a person on this forum after the last two years takes this stance frankly. Crap now I'm in this political crap fest of a thread taking away from a quick visit of the NFL Champion NE Patriots to the White house.
Since this is response to my post I'll respond then do my part to let this story die. The difference with Ballghazi IMO is this has nothing to do with football and does not affect the Pats in any material way.

Visiting the WH is not political. All teams are invited by all presidents. Mostly all teams accept. The NYT bogus story was political, and so was the Pats response. If Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz were in the WH, and the same events transpired, I do not believe the Pats would have responded. Let Trump or someone else correct the record.
 

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In a way I take the Patriots response on Twitter as extremely anti-political: to me, it is as if they are saying, "it doesn't matter who the President is, we send a similar delegation to the White House no matter what". They don't want to come off as either republican or democrat. They go either way and it doesn't matter. That's my take.
 

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I hate this whole thing. I've never cared for a second about any athlete's politics but it's different now with the current clown show we have running our country. I can somewhat understand why some players went. But the owner's friendship with Trump makes me think less of him. I know he doesn't give a shit. Whatever, that's how I feel. I miss the days when he was just the guy who saved football in NE and hired the greatest coach ever.
And this post makes me think less of you. Not that you give a shit.

I did not vote for Trump bit I'm not arrogant and blinded by my opinions to think I am a better person than people that did. Nor do I need to bring politics into everything.

I also have friends that are friendly with people that I don't care for. Doesn't make me think less of them. Still my friends.

Also know a few people that criticized Tim Thomas saying he should respect the office and leave his personal politics aside that now want to criticize players for attending. And don't see any contradiction in that.
 

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Do you think less of people who give money to televangelists? How about Scientologists? Would your esteem of a person not drop if you discovered they endorsed a cult?
 

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Since this is response to my post I'll respond then do my part to let this story die. The difference with Ballghazi IMO is this has nothing to do with football and does not affect the Pats in any material way.

Visiting the WH is not political. All teams are invited by all presidents. Mostly all teams accept. The NYT bogus story was political, and so was the Pats response. If Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz were in the WH, and the same events transpired, I do not believe the Pats would have responded. Let Trump or someone else correct the record.
So because it wasn't "football" related, the Pats should have been cool with the mistake the Times made? I don't understand your logic. Yesterday was literally football related, it was the National Football League's Super Bowl Champion visiting the White House. The football team's owner was there. The football team's coach was there. There were 34 football players from the Patriots' football team there. You see the pattern here?

I agree with Valek. The fact that people are ok with an incorrect and out of context picture being used to push an agenda are lost in the political weeds. An error is an error and everyone should applaud it being vehemently corrected.
 

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Do you think less of people who give money to televangelists? How about Scientologists? Would your esteem of a person not drop if you discovered they endorsed a cult?
I don't want to get into hypotheticals and what I'd consider poor analogies.

Now, I don't really think less of Ralphwiggum. I don't know nearly enough about him to even form am opinion.

I do find it a bit strange that so many people cannot even think rationally whenever Trump comes up. Not saying wiggum or any other pater here. Just in general from people I've had interactions with. Half the country voted for the guy but I know people that think anyone that voted for him is racist, bigoted and/or moronic.

Normally intelligent people that can't think straight because they are so filled with hate.
 

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I freely admit is is my issue. I wish I could get to a place where I could respect a Trump voter or supporter for just having a different opinion than me on politics, but I can't. It's so much more than just a difference of opinion politically.

But, yes, it's my issue and I stopped posting in V&N because I can't have a rational discussion about it. And on that note I'll stop here too.
 

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So because it wasn't "football" related, the Pats should have been cool with the mistake the Times made? I don't understand your logic. Yesterday was literally football related, it was the National Football League's Super Bowl Champion visiting the White House. The football team's owner was there. The football team's coach was there. There were 34 football players from the Patriots' football team there. You see the pattern here?

I agree with Valek. The fact that people are ok with an incorrect and out of context picture being used to push an agenda are lost in the political weeds. An error is an error and everyone should applaud it being vehemently corrected.
It absolutely should be corrected - it's no different than any other false news or hot take - but I think the argument is that it's not the place of the Patriots to be the one to do that, at least in this manner/medium. I think there's validity to that stance no matter what side of the aisle you land on.
 

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Only if they collect Nazi memorabilia ... non-Buddhist Nazi memorabilia
 

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Since this is response to my post I'll respond then do my part to let this story die. The difference with Ballghazi IMO is this has nothing to do with football and does not affect the Pats in any material way.

Visiting the WH is not political. All teams are invited by all presidents. Mostly all teams accept. The NYT bogus story was political, and so was the Pats response. If Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz were in the WH, and the same events transpired, I do not believe the Pats would have responded. Let Trump or someone else correct the record.
The Pats have been being used politically, regularly, by people in the media with an axe to grind since the election. You're simply factually wrong that they haven't been dragged into anything. The NYT published something false about them (while bombarding me with several emails a week about how important it is that they're around to provide facts, lest you think this is anything but a vendetta cum marketing bonanza). Tough shit.
 

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It absolutely should be corrected - it's no different than any other false news or hot take - but I think the argument is that it's not the place of the Patriots to be the one to do that, at least in this manner/medium. I think there's validity to that stance no matter what side of the aisle you land on.
Who determines whose place it is to correct the record? The NYT got it wrong about the Pats. The Pats knew how they got it wrong inasmuch as they were immediately aware that the Times had not factored in the staff. That a president that many despise is in office doesn't magically deprive them of the right to say "you got your facts wrong about us and here's how." I also find it amusing that folks are stressing that the fact that the Patriots used three tweets, thereby violating the time honored One Tweet for a Correction Rule, is somehow noteworthy.
 
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