Protecting the Shields -- The Nick Cafardo Thread

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I think Nick lives near there- sure that it's a shout out to someone he owes a favor to.

Having the team move to Weymouth would mean that (a) shutting off your existing customers completely and (b) gambling that the South Shore has enough of a population and interest to support the team.

Traffic is too formidable to attract visitors outside that area. Route 3 was obsolete 50 years ago.

Also, their concept of an urban district attracting people for a night out including a ballgame doesn't fly at the Air Station....There you would end up with more of the "Patriot Place" model....nothing there except a mall of some type and the ballpark.
 

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It's managerial rankings week!
It's managerial rankings week!
It's managerial rankings week!

Hinch, who had an unsuccessful tenure in Arizona, where he seemed to be about all analytics, learned the balance that was needed for success.
Drink

Those who were around him last season said Bochy didn’t change his stripes and remained consistent in his style.
Bochy also didn't change horses in midstream, didn't fix what wasn't broke, and danced with the girl he brought.

Showalter continues to put players in the best position to succeed and his emphasis on playing the game the right way leads to wins.
Chug

Players who have come from this setting have spoken highly of how Price understands what it’s like playing in Cincinnati.
Oh, I give up

Wait, wait ... one more

(Martinez has) been mentored by Maddon all these years so he has wisdom ...
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/02/17/managerial-rankings-start-with-astros-hinch/cH9Ez35pHMSj71GeUiUNlI/story.html
 

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New managers always have to show that they have the grit and determination to get the best out of their players and show that they know how to do things the right way.

26. Cora
27. Boone
28. Kapler
29. Martinez
30. Callaway

Gardenhire only ranking at 25 is a shocker.
 

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The concerted effort to artificially speed up the game isn’t one that I believe will lead to appreciably more viewership or listenership. Sure, people complain about the length of games, but they watch them.
1. Fewer are watching.
2. It's not length, it's pace. (leave Mrs. Cafardo out of this).
 

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Ironic that Nick crusaded long and hard for Bryce Brentz, then D Martinez....and Martinez' signing prompted Brentz to get exiled.
 

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Showalter continues to put players in the best position to succeed and his emphasis on playing the game the right way leads to wins.

I'm thinking Zach Britton might disagree.
 

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7. How many games will the Marlins lose? This could be epic. We’re guessing between 100-120.
That's narrowing it down, Nick

... the Mets, who have added some nice offensive pieces in Jay Bruce, Todd Frazier, and Adrian Gonzalez, could be interesting to follow again.
At the senior buffet, maybe

1. The Giancarlo Stanton/Aaron Judge Show: The Yankees are near the center of attention in any season, but you ain’t seen nothing yet.

2. The Angels will draw the attention of the baseball world with two-way phenom Shohei Ohtani

9. Bryce Harper will be the most-watched player in baseball.
Dammit Nick, where am I supposed to look?

17. Never has there been more devaluing of scouts. This will be the year we’ll see even traditional teams such as the Red Sox do away with live advance scouting and rely solely on video for their preparation, eliminating the human fact-finding scouts do when they’re live at an event.
What do they do when they're dead at an event?

Saltalamacchia acknowledges that as player with his experience, he’s disappointed not to have a spring training invitation at this point.

Saltalamacchia acknowledges his offense was really messed up last season.
Acknowledged.

2. Here’s one of the reasons the Red Sox will stress launch angle with their hitters this season, courtesy of Bill Chuck: “The Oakland A’s hit the fewest ground balls in baseball last season with 1,542 (.242 batting average), the Padres hit the fewest in the National League with 1,668 (.258 average). The Marlins hit the most in baseball with 2,153 (.261 average), the Red Sox hit the most in the American League with 2,040 (.248 average).” Elevate, baby.
So ... we want the success of the A's and Padres?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/02/24/twenty-things-watch-this-baseball-season/SZ3NyYXzHFMNKWZKXbnbYP/story.html
 

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I understand that focusing on 'uppercut swing' and 'lofting the ball' has some scouting/coaching tradition...but would Nick really argue that the specific focus on launch angle (as a metric and as an objective) is not related to new-school analytics?

I know, I know...it's Nick
 

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Nick spending too much time in the sun in his probably-too-tight-speedo:

The Astros just tore apart Boston’s relief pitching. The Sox never had much of a chance in this one despite fielding a starting lineup that included Mookie Betts, Andrew Benintendi, Hanley Ramirez, Rafael Devers, Jackie Bradley Jr., Blake Swihart, and Christian Vazquez. The Sox were briefly ahead, 3-2, in the fifth . . . . ..
"relief pitching" yesterday meaning "several guys whose only visit to Boston will be as tourists." And what does the bullpen getting torched have to do with "despite a starting lineup [of major leaguers]"? And if they led 3-2 in the 5th, in the first week of ST, that means the major leaguers held their own before giving way to said tourists.

THUMBS DOWN:
Lots of them. The Sox bullpen was bad, but the worst outings came from Daniel McGrath (four runs in one-third of an inning), Fernando Rodriguez (two runs, two hits in one inning), and Josh Smith (two runs and two hits in one inning).
I wonder if it crossed Nick's mind to mention that none of those pitchers are on the 40man roster and only Rodriguez is a non-roster invitees. McGrath is 23 and pitched in A ball. Smith is 25 and pitched in Portland; Rodriguez is a 33 y/o reclamation project.



It may still be early in spring training, but we’re into March. And at this point there is no clarity on whether Swihart can play well enough in the corner outfield spots and first base to warrant carrying him as a utility player over Brock Holt.
I think the two dozen or so games he's already played competently in LF constitutes something more than "no clarity". And if its still "early in spring training" what difference does it make what month it is?
 

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Wait. Was he fucking serious with the relief pitching thing? Like that was in a published version of the Boston Globe?

Nick Cafardo is already putting up the white flag, eight MLB games into Spring Training? This is absurd.

If anyone from the Globe reads this forum, please reassign this asshole. I don't like seeing people lose their jobs, so just dump him on the MVC beat and have him write about Billerica lacrosse or something. Holy shit. He's terrible.
 

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Wait. Was he fucking serious with the relief pitching thing? Like that was in a published version of the Boston Globe?

Nick Cafardo is already putting up the white flag, eight MLB games into Spring Training? This is absurd.

If anyone from the Globe reads this forum, please reassign this asshole. I don't like seeing people lose their jobs, so just dump him on the MVC beat and have him write about Billerica lacrosse or something. Holy shit. He's terrible.

First I thought maybe it was just the headline, which is not necessarily his problem:
Red Sox bullpen shredded by Astros
But then we have:
By Nick Cafardo
Globe Staff
March 1, 2018
SCORE: Astros 10, Red Sox 5
RECORD: 6-2
GAME BREAKDOWN: The Astros just tore apart Boston’s relief pitching. . . . .
 

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No. I know that you're right, I wasn't questioning whether you were correct or not. I just can't believe that this guy, who has been covering baseball every day since 1988 (isn't that when he left the Pats' beat? IDK) should be freaking out like this.

I'm not sure what he's going for here. Drama? Panic? Dranic? Pama? Like I said, it's literally the second week of Spring Training and the guys that gave up the most runs aren't even going to sniff Boston this year. Maybe -- maybe -- if Porcello got lit up, you might have a story ("Is this supposed to be Boston's fourth starter?") but how many stories have you read about pitchers* using ST games to work on things, try out new pitches, etc.

* Hitters too. I recently read a story about Manny who would purposely look stupid in ST games to give pitchers a false sense of confidence, so that in the real games they'd throw him a fastball that he'd belt onto the Pike. And Manny isn't the only one who does that.

Cafardo should know this. I remember being in seventh grade and all bummed out because the Sox didn't win a close Spring Training game when it occurred to me that these games don't really matter. Like at all. What was the Sox Spring Training record last year? Who knows? I do know -- because I just saw it on NESN -- that Pablo Sandoval lead the Sox with five dingers last year. It all doesn't matter. This whole month is cool because it's baseball, but it's also bullshit. Jesus man, there are guys running laps on the outfield warning track during the games and you're trying to stoke up a fire about the Boston bullpen?

Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. C'mon.
 

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No. I know that you're right, I wasn't questioning whether you were correct or not. I just can't believe that this guy, who has been covering baseball every day since 1988 (isn't that when he left the Pats' beat? IDK) should be freaking out like this.
I wasn't worried about that at all. Just memorializing the idiocy for all to see who may not want to actually click on it.
 

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But it's even worse than that. The "Sox bullpen" Cafardo refers to is made up of guys who most fans have never heard of, and who are not in serious contention to make the team. That is, unless any of Daniel McGrath, Fernando Rodriguez or Josh Smith has suddenly become a hot prospect while I wasn't looking.

From the mouth of the baby:
THUMBS DOWN: Lots of them. The Sox bullpen was bad, but the worst outings came from Daniel McGrath (four runs in one-third of an inning), Fernando Rodriguez (two runs, two hits in one inning), and Josh Smith (two runs and two hits in one inning). Betts went hitless in three at-bats and is 0 for 10 this spring. Devers also went 0 for 3.

PS: Nicky is rather thin skinned.

My e-mail and his reply.

- Nick, you might want to calm down a little about the Sox pen being shredded. Were any of the three victims slated to play in the bigs this year? Your opener and hushed tones suggested that we might have a problem. Daniel McGrath got pummeled. Ho hum.

- Ok I’ll calm down. Didn’t mean to disturb you.
 
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You know what? Fuck him. Seriously. This is a guy that makes his living with words. And I'm not suggesting that he needs to answer each email sent to him saying that his pieces suck, but put something into it.

But his words in the paper are incongruous to his response. The flippant tone he used in his email insinuates that the stuff he wrote for a major metropolitan newspaper means absolutely nothing. Wilbur is an idiot. He's stuck in bumblefuck, Florida reporting on games that he can't decide whether they do or don't matter. Figure it out, then go for top shelf margs at Chilis.
 

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I seem to recall someone once saying in this thread that they took him to task one time and his response was a hangdog, rubbing his foot on the ground style of answer that made the person who wrote him feel like he'd just yelled at his grandfather.

I think we all underestimate Nick. I think he knows exactly what he's doing and doesn't give a shit if anyone dislikes it because he's getting paid and, at the end of the day, is the Red Sox beat writer at the Globe, part of the same "bloodline" as Peter Gammons and the rest. He knows he's not a great writer - he has to by now - and that he's not exactly breaking new ground. It's just a forum for him to grouse about the good old days and put over his buddies. He's never going to write something like Updike or Will McDonough or be remembered fondly as a great baseball writer, so he's just collecting a paycheck and ruffling feathers. He knows his main audience basically agrees that the game is too new-fangled and loud and nobody cut their hair or wears the uniform properly, dirty or otherwise, and that's who he's catering to because he knows everybody else is getting their info from the Twitterverse, ESPN, MLB Network, NESN, Fox Sports, etc.

The problem isn't so much that he's the Red Sox beat guy at the globe, a noble and storied position, but rather that it's still seen as noble and storied even as print journalism is slowly fading into obscurity. The fact that he's still there tells us how important the paper thinks it is to have a truly eminent baseball guy on the beat. Nick's probably affordable, isn't going to put on airs or get seduced away by bigger networks/media outlets, and isn't going to make waves. He's there until he leaves, be it on a stretcher with a sheet pulled over his face after he croaked sitting at his typewriter while all fired up about some guy wearing his hat cockeyed with his shirt only half-tucked in... or retiring.
 

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But it's even worse than that. The "Sox bullpen" Cafardo refers to is made up of guys who most fans have never heard of, and who are not in serious contention to make the team. That is, unless any of Daniel McGrath, Fernando Rodriguez or Josh Smith has suddenly become a hot prospect while I wasn't looking.

From the mouth of the baby:



PS: Nicky is rather thin skinned.

My e-mail and his reply.

- Nick, you might want to calm down a little about the Sox pen being shredded. Were any of the three victims slated to play in the bigs this year? Your opener and hushed tones suggested that we might have a problem. Daniel McGrath got pummeled. Ho hum.

- Ok I’ll calm down. Didn’t mean to disturb you.
I agree with his reply.

Most Sox fans would read that article as the Sox lost late in a spring training game to the Astros when a bunch of pitchers who we don't know got a chance to pitch... and wouldn't care.

Seems to me you guys are punishing yourself reading Cafardo spring training articles.
 

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I agree with his reply.

Most Sox fans would read that article as the Sox lost late in a spring training game to the Astros when a bunch of pitchers who we don't know got a chance to pitch... and wouldn't care.

Seems to me you guys are punishing yourself reading Cafardo spring training articles.
Cafardo is one who wrote "didn't have a chance despite the starting lineup," but failed to mention that the reason for the loss was a bunch of pitchers who aren't like to be in Boston.
Sometimes you "never heard of someone" because they are a prospect and maybe getting shelled is an issue. Sometimes, they are minor league fodder and it doesn't matter. It's not too much to ask that the reporter provide 5 or 6 additoonal words that might provide that context.
 

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Nick assesses the Union's grievance, with help from "our legal expert," an individual who remains anonymous.
Must be some expert, if he doesn't want to be identified.
 

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Martinez is irritated by the rap that he’s not a good outfielder. He blames the analytics community for spreading erroneous information through their often fallible and unbending metrics, while those who have worked with Martinez — Torey Lovullo, Mike Hazen, Dave Magadan, Tony La Russa, and Ron Gardenhire in Arizona and Dave Dombrowski in Detroit — paint a different picture about his defense.
Martinez blames them? I can just hear him saying "they are often fallible and unbending"! Riiiiiight...

Is it possible to be a bigger dickhead?
 

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Yes, that was a nice piece.

But then he followed it up with this non-sequitur: Duquette is unhappy with the spending practices of the Orioles' ownership (solid reporting so far)....so he'll end up in Miami (duh?).
 

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ARod is actually pretty good as an announcer/analyst, but this was too good to pass on

1. Alex Rodriguez was extremely insightful in his first game in the ESPN booth on Thursday, when the Yankees played the Twins. Rodriguez, who’s a Yankees adviser, said, “It’s the most talent I’ve ever seen on a Yankee team.”
 

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ARod is actually pretty good as an announcer/analyst, but this was too good to pass on
Off topic, but both you and Nick forgot his presence on Shark Tank. On that show, I'll say he's actually quite entertaining and has some interesting insights on business.
 

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I don’t find it shocking that Wilbur picked the Yankees to win the World Series for the 35th straight years. Nor do I find his passive aggressive quote of “Haven’t heard one good reason why not” all that surprising either.

What I do find surprising is that he didn’t write that New York was going to go 162-0 and sweep through the playoffs, leaving teams of grown men literally crying and shaking. Great restraint on his part.

BTW, his profile on Aaron Boone was devoid of anything new or interesting, I’d call it mailed in but I don’t want to devalue the US Postal Service.

Find something new, anything. That’s your job.
 

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I look at it this way- if the Yanks are lights out I don't have to listen to Aaron Boone on ESPN fellate them night after night.

What's the over/under on how many columns before Nick writes "Team x is hopelessly out of it and should deal off its assets"....he's been dead wrong more than once about that type of team....they stink at the beginning and end up in a playoff race and/or make it to the tournament.
 

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Nick is in mid-season form:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/03/27/the-alex-cora-approach-produced-lot-spring-victories/pruNf9w0ZQDmZmrfVx1AbM/story.html

David Price likened it to some of the camps he experienced under Joe Maddon in Tampa Bay. The Sox eased the starting pitchers into their innings with the idea that it may preserve them for October. We’ll see. But it seemed like a smart approach.
So how do Maddon and Cora approach their respective camps?
As usual, not a terrible premise. Let's compare the new guy to a well-regarded guy in terms of spring training. So what do we get?
5 paragraphs of Maddon. 1 of Cora, who apparently likes to get to the park early. Nothing really about "their respective camps."

Then, of course, there's:
Reliance on analytics — It was good to hear Cora say that the Sox can use their instincts in games as far as positioning the defense, depending on whether a pitcher’s repertoire is better or worse than the computers say.
BUT...
The Red Sox infield, minus Dustin Pedroia at second base, will need all the help it can get, because overall it is below average.
Where should this help come from, Nick?
 

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Where should this help come from, Nick?
Scouts! Scouty Scouts, to be precise. He's the best scout in America. As a boy he started as a Cub Scout worked his way up to Boy Scout then Eagle Scout then scouted around for a position in the Army, where he was a scout. When he left the Army, he scooted to the Scouting Department where he tried to find actors for feature films. He scouted talent for such movies as "The Last Boy Scout" and "The Scout" before he went beaver scouting and was relieved of his duties. He bummed around for a few years, scouting here and there until he landed with a major league team where he took a low-level scouting position. As the months turned into years, Scouty Scouts scouting grew by leaps in bounds until he found himself scouting major league players. But that did suit Scouty Scouts. Soon he was scouting for scouts. Scouts can spot a scout scouting over a mile away!

He's also Wilbur's best friend and closest confident. They met at a scouting seminar in seventy six when señor Cafardo was only sixteen. They've been life-long scouts ever since!
 

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I neglected to say that Scouty Scouts was so respected that he was offered a position on the Supreme Court of the United States, but declined.

"I doesn't feel right being a SCOTUS," he explained to reporters as he walked away.
 

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Cafardo is such a passive-aggressive douche. In every single article he tries to work in some short of shot at "analytics."

Yesterday's story on Theo Epstein included this gem:
"Despite the analytic slant Epstein brought to the Red Sox (remember his system known as Carmine?), he has learned the numbers don’t mean everything."

15 years ago on this very site Theo talked about how it's always best to combine scouting with analytics, how more information is better than less, and how you need to see things through both "lenses." He is the poster boy for combining stats and scouting and he always has been. He never, ever said anything like "the numbers mean everything." But Cafardo tries to portray him as a former stat nerd who has now finally learned to respect scouting like Nick always has.

Next sentence:
"He has come to find that the enormous amount of data available is available to every team, so he thinks the data has to be used creatively and that the game comes down to human beings executing the data."

No, he doesn't think the game is about human beings "executing the data." (Just how would human beings execute the data? A firing squad for their computers? Put spreadsheets in an electric chair?)
That horrendous phrasing demonstrates how Cafardo has never understood what analytics or data even means. But he still has to include a lecture on the danger of analytics in every single thing he writes.
 

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I guarantee you that Cafardo thinks that some MLB front offices have some giant computer with reel-to-reels, ala "Get Smart", in their offices where they just input punch cards and just wait for the computer to spit out a print out.

He definitely doesn't understand that there is someone (actually a team of someones) who is interpreting this data and talking to the manager and scouts and other baseball dudes before a decision is made. I mean, somebody has had to explain this to Nick at least 100 times and he's either being dumb and not getting it or being obstinate and not wanting to understand it.

I honestly don't know which is worse.
 

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Cafardo is such a passive-aggressive douche. In every single article he tries to work in some short of shot at "analytics."

Yesterday's story on Theo Epstein included this gem:
"Despite the analytic slant Epstein brought to the Red Sox (remember his system known as Carmine?), he has learned the numbers don’t mean everything."

15 years ago on this very site Theo talked about how it's always best to combine scouting with analytics, how more information is better than less, and how you need to see things through both "lenses." He is the poster boy for combining stats and scouting and he always has been. He never, ever said anything like "the numbers mean everything." But Cafardo tries to portray him as a former stat nerd who has now finally learned to respect scouting like Nick always has.

Next sentence:
"He has come to find that the enormous amount of data available is available to every team, so he thinks the data has to be used creatively and that the game comes down to human beings executing the data."

No, he doesn't think the game is about human beings "executing the data." (Just how would human beings execute the data? A firing squad for their computers? Put spreadsheets in an electric chair?)
That horrendous phrasing demonstrates how Cafardo has never understood what analytics or data even means. But he still has to include a lecture on the danger of analytics in every single thing he writes.
I didn't fully understand until I finally taught a class on statistics a few years ago, but a lot of people don't have a strong relationship with numbers and what they signify. And I mean, it's deeper than "being bad at math," it's more fundamental (and they might be good at math were the relationship prepared) about what the numbers are about.

The amount of work it takes to get many people to stop saying the stats are doing things in real life rather than describing probable causation (for example) is basically epic. (And not just because I had a student named Sisyphus [no joke].) And then they fight with you about it just being semantics when you're trying to explain, no, it really isn't--the whole conception of the numbers needs correction.
 

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Nick says kapler made a bad pitching change "based on the analytics available to him" rather than relying on his instinct and forgetting the number.

Nick doesn't say which "analytics" prompted the move.

Any decision not based on which way the chewing tobacco drips is apparently due to "analytics."
 

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When it comes to his thoughts on analytics, Cafardo is like a climate change denier who thinks he's 100% correct because it snows in January in New England.
 

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Nick Cafardo‏ @nickcafardo 22h22 hours ago
David Price proved you don’t need great velocity to dominate. He averaged 92 mph during his 7 innings of shutout ball vs Rays.

Was he asleep during the whole Greg Maddux era?

From the Sunday Notes:

"2. Chase Anderson (Brewers) and James Shields (White Sox) both threw 97 pitches, more than any other starter Thursday. Last season, four pitchers threw more than 100 pitches on Opening Day, led by the Indians’ Corey Kluber, who threw 109."

Opening day starters Sherzer and Bailey both topped 100 pitches, but it wasn't on Thursday.
 
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He was too busy congratulating Tom Werner on the debut of the new Roseanne show to bother checking pitch counts.
Already has Archer traded somewhere. Then again, with the Rays and Marlins not giving a crap, perhaps that's a fair paragraph to write.
 

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The faces in that photo of the "Roseanne" cast and producers look like some reporter just tried to tell a joke that went over poorly
 
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