Can you guys move the series talk to the series thread? This thread is meant only to give everyone false hope about a player's tribute video of Hayward practicing in full surfacing.
Hayward's Injury
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Watching the Hayward videos in this thread again, particularly on the prior few pages, one thing stood out to me. He's a magician with the pump fake. I think I saw him use the pump fake more in about 10 minutes of highlights, than I saw the C's use all season long. It's a skill this team doesn't really have, and one that I hope he can maybe teach guys like Tatum and Brown.
He looked pretty good in the flow of the offense as well, didn’t he? No matter how this season ends we’re all gonna be enraptured this whole offseason. To me this is an 86 Giants, 2004 Red Sox type build.
There really aren’t any weaknesses in his game. He can score at every level, good passer, good shooter, solid defender, etc. It’s been so long that it’s easy to forget just how good he is. Simply can’t wait to see Kyrie and Gordon join Horford, Tatum, and Brown.
BOSTON, MA – Celtics forward Gordon Hayward today underwent successful surgery to remove the plate and screws that were implanted following the broken fibula he suffered on October 17. Hayward’s ankle and fibula are both structurally sound, and the removal of the plate and screws was necessary as they were causing irritation to his peroneal tendons. He is scheduled to return to basketball activities in six to eight weeks, and is expected to be at full strength for the start of training camp
https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/hayward-baynes-medical-update
https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/hayward-baynes-medical-update
In my experience, at least, full strength means full strength for normal use, not to bench 300 pounds or jump up and down in a game or throw 100 mph, etc.
The sports doc on BSJ wrote a column today saying that this surgery is excellent news. They wouldn't do the surgery if the previous surgery wasn't fully healed. And that this surgery will do exactly what is described, namely the removal of a source of irritation/inflammation.
(Wasn't the latter point basically the reason for Kyrie's season-ending surgery?)
(Wasn't the latter point basically the reason for Kyrie's season-ending surgery?)
Not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure that Haywauds surgery was pre-planned. That stuff comes out. In Kyrie's case, you only take that stuff out if you have to. It was there for three years.
Yeah, I explicitly said in the old Tatum draft thread that Hayward is one of his closer comps.
It's still true, but a LOT has changed since then, all of it positive for Tatum. He's longer, more athletic, a better defender, and better shot creator than Hayward was after even 2-3 years in the NBA.
Remember, Utah made Hayward go out on the market after 4 years in the league to get a matching offer from Charlotte. You can find old articles of Zach Lowe around that time thinking the contract would be an OK value, but by no means that it was a slam dunk.
If Tatum were an RFA this summer, every single GM in the league would extend him at the max without thinking twice. And Tatum is 4 years younger than Hayward was when Utah wasn't even sure what to pay him in RFA.
In terms of their styles of game though, a rich man's Gordon Hayward is pretty accurate for Tatum imo. It's just crazy how fast that's changed from an awesome outcome to a middling one for Jayson.
I think if he's playing, he's playing. Embiid had 500 different injuries and had never actually played NBA basketball,* so there was a different type of concern. If Hogwood remains limited, I dont think he'll play at all.
*hyperbole, I know.
The statement says he is expected to be at full strength for training camp, not that it will take until the start of training camp to be full strength. I think they just mean no restrictions, he can do everything all the other players can do. I doubt they mean it as anything other than a positive.
Sometimes this hardware stays in, so hard to know if the removal was planned or not. Either way, presuming the fracture is entirely healed without any residual effects, this is good news.
If you really wanted to be on the pessimistic side, I suppose in general post op this pain this far out isn’t a good thing, and hard to know with 100% certainty it’s the hardware irritating the peroneal tendons rather than something else. But most likely this is good/fine news.
Sometimes this hardware stays in, so hard to know if the removal was planned or not. Either way, presuming the fracture is entirely healed without any residual effects, this is good news.
If you really wanted to be on the pessimistic side, I suppose in general post op this pain this far out isn’t a good thing, and hard to know with 100% certainty it’s the hardware irritating the peroneal tendons rather than something else. But most likely this is good/fine news.
I hear a lot about dissolvable screws and plates.....how do they differ from the permanent ones that Kyrie and Gordon had inserted? Is the technology simply not there yet for them to be as effective?
I think we've gone over this many time over the years in different forums.
IANTKOD, but I have it from a reputable (I think...) source that the standard boilerplate response is that with most procedures they are prepared to leave it in unless it starts bothering the patient, whereupon they just remove it and it's not considered one of the concern areas of the process (no pun intended).
So leaving hardware in is routine. Taking it out is also routine. They just don't know which routine will be followed until the tissue around the hardware heals and they see if it bothers the patient. Unless we hear some specific reason for concern, there isn't any reason to have any.
[Disclosure: My hardware is still in.]
IANTKOD, but I have it from a reputable (I think...) source that the standard boilerplate response is that with most procedures they are prepared to leave it in unless it starts bothering the patient, whereupon they just remove it and it's not considered one of the concern areas of the process (no pun intended).
So leaving hardware in is routine. Taking it out is also routine. They just don't know which routine will be followed until the tissue around the hardware heals and they see if it bothers the patient. Unless we hear some specific reason for concern, there isn't any reason to have any.
[Disclosure: My hardware is still in.]
Well, they'd have to be made out of plastic. I don't know if they would be suitable for the same purposes that titanium screws are.
Danny was on the radio today, and said the surgery wasn't planned. Said Gordon was doing very well, but still had pain in one spot. They figured it was the hardware causing irritation on the tendon, so they removed it.
In your cousin’s defense, a sizable percentage of these patients end up with bad arthritis years down the line.
It’s almost entirely related to the severity of the initial injury and the quality of the initial repair, not whether or not the plate and screws are removed (unless surgery was botched and screws were placed incorrectly into the joint).
I'm sure he was screwed either way, because the initial, initial repair was screwed the fuck up. A rather notorious doctor at Lawrence General saw the obviously broken ankle and reset it without X raying the leg, necessitating a return to the hospital the next day and the surgery where the plate and screws were set in the ankle and the other three breaks in the shin and thigh also reset.
My drunken dumbass cousin won $200 from our uncles betting that he could jump off the top of a flatbed over a six foot storm fence 10'-12' away. The fucking adults were also blitzed on vodka, so no one thought that this was a bad idea (unfortunately for Robbie I was at home at the time, so there were no real adults around to stop him).
EDIT: As to the initial remark, my cousin had an orthopedic consult twelve or thirteen years ago where the surgeon advised the removal to minimize the arthritis pain, I probably should have been clearer on that. Right now he has a pot scrip to help him deal with the arthritis pain.
Weird that he went out of his way and said it wasn’t planned. It’s slmost like he’s covering up for the fact that they delayed it because had Boston advanced Hayward would’ve trotted out of the tunnel ready to goooooHHH MY GOD WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN!?!?
While the surgery many be routine it isn't nothing in that it takes away all but the final 6 weeks or so of Hayward's offseason leading up to training camp after having just missed an entire season. This was going to be a huge summer for Hayward in returning to basketball activities and now it has been taken away. That isn't good.
It's about a 6-8 week setback. In the grand scheme of things, that's relatively minor given the severity of the injury. Maybe it means he misses the October games, and is coming off the bench with limited minutes in November/December. That would still be a positive outcome overall. I think the Celtics could survive that and still be a contender come April.
That's a positive outcome in the sense that he didn't die and will eventually be able to play basketball again.
A real positive outcome would have had him ready to return to basketball activity remotely close to the best case timetable for this type of injury.
A real positive outcome would have had him ready to return to basketball activity remotely close to the best case timetable for this type of injury.
As long as he is playing regular minutes by March or so I won't be worried. That gives him enough time to get a feel for the game back before the playoffs, and the Cavs have shown multiple times that seeding isn't all it's cracked up to be. Given that I'd rather the Celtics be overcautious rather than trying to race him back if he encounters any other setbacks.
March?? I think you’re undervaluing how important it is for a guy who hasn’t played competitive basketball in a year and hardly ever with any of his current teammates to be playing competitive basketball with his current teammates.
Hell be back long before March. They will manage minutes (probably for everyone) all season and especially early on. But I’d be shocked if he wasn’t there for game 1.
This article - http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/haywards-injury.21285/page-11#post-2849342 - says that he can "get active" in one or two weeks so while it's going to take some time to get used t playing games on the NBA travel schedule, my guess is that he'll be playing minutes from Game 1.
Hayward update: https://sports.yahoo.com/celtics-star-gordon-hayward-hopes-cleared-play-end-july-201440771.html
If you click through to Hayward’s piece there’s a pic from his daughter’s birthday party—Aron Baynes is there.
If you click through to Hayward’s piece there’s a pic from his daughter’s birthday party—Aron Baynes is there.
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GH is running again and working out 3X a day. Plus, a look back at the chaos that was last year's July 4. Ahhh, I remember it well!
https://weei.radio.com/articles/column/tomase-revisiting-gordon-hayward-decision-sign-boston-celtics-nba-free-agency
https://weei.radio.com/articles/column/tomase-revisiting-gordon-hayward-decision-sign-boston-celtics-nba-free-agency