Well, my assumption is sitting in a chair and shooting a basketball. But I could be wrong.
Hayward's Injury
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It won't hurt his mechanics any more than shooting a free throw hurts your jump shot mechanics. It's actually helpful for proper form and many shooting coaches included seated shooting drills for just that reason. Obviously this isn't breaking new ground for NBA teams and it's safe to assume the Celtics know what they're doing.
I think there is a much better chance he comes back this year than they have stated - but don’t want to publicly acknowledge it for numerous reasons - like putting undue pressure on Hayward if he doesn’t heal as quickly, or giving the team the excuse that they can wait for Hayward to come back to play well aka the savior.
I noticed that sentence (the bolded one) as well. But that aside, that was an incredible essay he wrote. Very heartfelt, very detailed. Let us in on so much that goes on behind the scenes, both medically and personally. I'm very impressed by him and look forward to his return to the court (whenever that proves to be).
It was really well done and provided a really interesting insight into the whirlwind that was his injury.
I am so happy he is a Celtic and hope for his full recovery.
I am so happy he is a Celtic and hope for his full recovery.
Yeah, that highlighted sentence is the kill shot.
It's a heartfelt message that was great to read. He seems like a good guy and I hope his recovery is complete. But it's sobering to realize that yes, it's all over for this year.
It's a heartfelt message that was great to read. He seems like a good guy and I hope his recovery is complete. But it's sobering to realize that yes, it's all over for this year.
The only silver lining is that it would look really bad if he talked or even implied he's coming back like a day after we received the DPE. I'm sure he and the Celtics have worked out a very specific communication plan for recovery. In the small chance he's good to go by playoffs, then it's an unexpected miracle for the overall fanbase and everyone can go nuts.
It was a great read though, really rooting for the guy.
I think this team will be the team to beat beginning in 2018, and will be able to compete with Golden State at that. Take your time, Gordon. Come back at 100% next year and lets win #18
Sports Illustrated has coached it as saying that Hayward has ruled out a return.
Who knows? Maybe if you set a goal of making it back this season and then don't it's demoralizing, whereas if it's the other way around...
EDIT: Just read it--I didn't realize he flew back with team.
I'm just not convinced that what is being said publicly is necessarily what is being said privately. There is no upside to talking publicly about coming back this year.
Hayward was on the Today Show this morning. Anyone see it? Anything interesting?
EDIT: Found it. Guess I should have looked first: https://www.today.com/news/gordon-hayward-sight-gruesome-ankle-injury-will-be-me-forever-t118318
Warning--they show the play a number of times in the interview.
EDIT: Found it. Guess I should have looked first: https://www.today.com/news/gordon-hayward-sight-gruesome-ankle-injury-will-be-me-forever-t118318
Warning--they show the play a number of times in the interview.
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Is Today Show interested in this if he’s a member of the Jazz? Feels like his national profile has been raised due to being a Celtic.
If we're going to read tea leaves, he didn't say that he was not going to return this season after being asked point blank. Just that he wasn't going to put pressure or expectations on himself regarding timeline.
There really shouldn't be a timeline. He should play when he's ready to play, whether that is in March or October. I think holding him out until next year if he's actually ready to play is a bad idea. Rushing him is too, obviously.
Yeah, it sounded like he was down to come back if everything checked out, but no one involved wants to Grant Hill it.
It also could be the fact that his foot fell off on national TV
Of course, he wouldn't have been on national TV if it weren't Celts/Cavs, so...
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Chair shooting competition vs Scal
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/gordon-hayward-vs-brian-scalabrine-chair-shooting-championship
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/gordon-hayward-vs-brian-scalabrine-chair-shooting-championship
I wonder if they sit on the chair that Markelle Fultz played against during his draft visit.
I get excited and sad every time this thread is bumped. That video was a perfect display of why.
You do realize that Hayward played a grand total of five minutes as a Celtic, right? Though I suppose if you really want to shoehorn the Ewing Theory into a case where we have absolutely no priors, it'll be only slightly less useful than as originally conceived.
Facts are facts, man. The Celtics are 0-1 with Hayward in the starting lineup. They are 12-1 without him.
Hmmm... true, but check the DNPs- maybe the Ewing Theory needs a Theis Corollary.
I take it you're agreeing with this welcome development with Brown and Tatum?
This start notwithstanding, they're still a better team over 82(+) when Hayward is healthy and back in the lineup (and I can't imagine the energy a smaller Horford/Hayward/Tatum/Brown/Irving lineup could do in bursts).
Isnt the big thing that this will MAKE them a better team with Hayward Eventually? I assume (cause I know ass little about basketball coaching or development) that Brown for instance might be getting the playing time but would be asked to do different (lesser) things and certainly asked (ordered) to take fewer shots. Everything he does makes him that nth degree better. Obviously Tatum is a huge recipient of extended playing time. Theis as well (??) or are is he more a "power forward with defensive chops" as opposed to a "big wing who can play D on 3 positions".
Sure these guys may have developed albeit at a slower pace san injury but they would one more year closer to their and Haywards FA.
While it might hurt the end result this year (Which still appears to be a strong Playoff run with a probable ECF appearance and a possible Finals appearance) this will help Next year when we will really only be integrating Hayward.
Does his "addition" makes us on par with GSW Next year? Or at least 55/45 chance of winning? While this year was 75/25 or 80/20 (or 90/10) even with a healthy GH. While next year would have been 75/25 had the injury never happened (and corresponding "young player Development" also didnt take place).
I wonder if early on next year it might be prudent to have him be a Super 6th man until he feels comfortable and the team gets used to playing with him. Problems for another day.
Sure these guys may have developed albeit at a slower pace san injury but they would one more year closer to their and Haywards FA.
While it might hurt the end result this year (Which still appears to be a strong Playoff run with a probable ECF appearance and a possible Finals appearance) this will help Next year when we will really only be integrating Hayward.
Does his "addition" makes us on par with GSW Next year? Or at least 55/45 chance of winning? While this year was 75/25 or 80/20 (or 90/10) even with a healthy GH. While next year would have been 75/25 had the injury never happened (and corresponding "young player Development" also didnt take place).
I wonder if early on next year it might be prudent to have him be a Super 6th man until he feels comfortable and the team gets used to playing with him. Problems for another day.
In a Vacuum yes, I entirely agree - the key will be how his minutes are distributed when he returns. I think to a larger picture this has allowed Danny to take a look at players and have development potential dramatically increased to see what he might need more clearly for the next 2-3 year and what pieces can be moved.
Smart may be the unlucky person out, they may be better off looking at another pure shooter and looking to resign Baynes sooner than later. I would say that pure stretch 2 that can flat out shoot may be the one weakness of this team at the moment.
This is likely the best position possible in expectations post Hayward, I think a large number of Celtics fans myself included thought this could be an opportunity to see the youth step forward but I can't think of a single person who has not outdone expectations. The defensive efficiency continuing pace at this point will be the key to the seasons success, the team looks long and fast so it might just happen. Keeping the 3pt % down will IMO be the thing that leads this team to the ECF or beyond, if that regresses they could be in real trouble.
Gordon will be out of the boot for good in 2 weeks per Danny Ainge on T&R.
@DaveRoberts'Shoes is this normal timeline about 8 weeks out?
@DaveRoberts'Shoes is this normal timeline about 8 weeks out?
The DRS blog post about Hayward said:
"Post-operatively, he will be on crutches with limited weight-bearing for 6-12 weeks depending on the degree of the injury to the ligaments, specifically the syndesmosis. He may need to have some of the hardware removed at the 10-12 week mark, again depending on the degree of ligament injury. He will resume normal walking at that point, with no running for a couple months after, and jumping/more explosive activities likely at the 6-9 month mark depending on the degree of injury."
Seems like he may be a little ahead.
"Post-operatively, he will be on crutches with limited weight-bearing for 6-12 weeks depending on the degree of the injury to the ligaments, specifically the syndesmosis. He may need to have some of the hardware removed at the 10-12 week mark, again depending on the degree of ligament injury. He will resume normal walking at that point, with no running for a couple months after, and jumping/more explosive activities likely at the 6-9 month mark depending on the degree of injury."
Seems like he may be a little ahead.
I really think I’d prefer he just take the year. They have a good flow going and not that he’d be a negative, but even at full health, there would be an adjustment period that would likely come with bad timing. Play the hand they have and go after it next year with him back and hopefully a top5 pick.
Adjustment periods haven't seemed very long under Stevens. We all expected this team to take months to gel but they were playing together on day one. There might be a bit of a period, but taking the bench's 20-25 worst minutes and replacing them with even a limited Hayward would undoubtedly be an improvement. That said, I'm not getting my hopes up.
Agree with this wholeheartedly.
The only benefit to Hayward being out is the development of the young guys from their increased minutes. If he can be added back for the playoff run, there is zero reason to think that he's somehow a net negative in any way.
He's not setting timelines, and neither is the team apparently. It all sounds so Belichickian, but apparently his main goal at the moment is to beat 38 seconds in the marble challenge.
My hopes are up and I'm hoping they can work him into the team by playing him off the bench. Talk about a top notch late season addition. If he can play (I like and agree with his, only if 1000% healthy comment) he will be the most consequential addition any top team makes during the second half of the season.
JCizzle, thanks for linking that article!
JCizzle, thanks for linking that article!
4 regular season games in April. Take minutes from Morris/Semi/Smart off the bench. This has been my line of thought since the injury. See you in the Gahden vs the Bulls on April 6th Gordon!!
The article mentions that Hayward will be in a brace for 3 months once the boot comes off full time in the next 2 weeks, which means the brace comes off late March best case. It will be interesting to see how much basketball activity he can do in the brace, but I'm not yet holding out hope he'll be able to do much in April, even coming off the bench. We shall see....
The applause he gets when he returns to the floor at the Garden in April (fingers crossed) is going to be deafening, isn't it?
THey had months to gel during preseason and practice, in different roles ban they have now. I can’t imagine the envisioned Tatum/Brown or be other kids and pieces playing such a big piece. Bringing him back right before the playoffs, I’d be worried if they tried to integrate him when things are clicking and there was a small chance he makes much difference in the long run for a ring.
I absolutely could be overthinking it and not giving Stevens enough credit, but it’s also not like adding a bullpen piece in August. The system relies on familiarity to an extent. I wouldn’t expect him to be a net negative, I just don’t think he’d be a big enough addition to take them over the top and then in that case, let him get healthy.