Hayward's Injury
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Including camp? Would you say it’s probably longer than they would have together to change roles (that have now changed) for the playoffs?
My simple point is that I don’t think he’s taking this team on to beat GS. I could very well be wrong. I’d personally rather let the guy heal up, but I also didn’t have title aspirations for this season to begin with. I get the boosted expectations since his injury, I’m just putting a cap on them. Ymmv.
Well, I stand corrected. I still hope they don’t rush him back before he’s ready.
I think we can all be confident that they won’t. Still unlikely that he returns but you obviously don’t rule it out this far in advance. I’m looking forward to seeing what Ainge can do in the trade/FA market.
Exactly. Nobody is rushing back. They have set expectations at "he's done for the year." If somehow that changes, then it means that he's not at an elevated risk and that there is reason to think that it's a good move for him and the team.
Until then, we can largely focus on fantasizing about what Danny and Brad can do with the injury exception and minimums and shit, maybe a small trade.
The news that he's in a good place and has even entertained the most fleeting of thought about a return this year is good news unto itself.
How does that even work with the injury exception factor? If they use it to acquire someone, can they even bring him back? My assumption was that for it to be granted, he’d have to be ruled out but I’m not even going to try to attempt to delve into the cba.
It has been answered multiple times already throughout this forum, but the exception has no impact on his ability to return.
It's also amazing that anyone can view his return as anything but a meaningful positive.
It's also amazing that anyone can view his return as anything but a meaningful positive.
Cool. Sorry it took you so many keystrokes to answer me. And as stated, he’s not making the difference for them to win a ring. That’s really the only reason I’d be concerned and consider it not a ‘meaningful positive’. I fully trust them to be responsible about it, but I also don’t discount the human factor of maybe pushing it a bit. I get that I’m alone in that regard. Carry on with the wish casting.
It's more the sheer laziness that you continue to show in your posts, than it is an exercise in answering your question. For example, not looking up/paying attention to your own question is a perfect example. As is you speculating that he won't be able to gel with the team only to be shown quickly by other posters that is a baseless assumption, and now finally you've pivoted to "he's not making the difference for them to win a ring". Again baseless, but I do enjoy that you ended your post with "wish casting" to seem like you've above all of us somehow after showing several times that you're a negative contributor to this thread...
The bar for being granted the DPE is relatively low: basically, the doctors basically conclude that "it's more probable than not" that Hayward is out for the remainder of the season. Maybe it's a bit higher than that, but you get the idea. Anyway, the player is still allowed to return to the active roster if he recovers more quickly than expected. The chances of that occurring are generally considered low enough that the NBA has never really bothered to attempt to close that "loophole". Nor would the league have much interest in doing so; an injured star player returning for the playoffs could help drive TV ratings.
I'll put my money on Ainge making the right decision if it comes to that. My guess is that unless Hayward can contribute at least 10-15 minutes off the bench without risking further injury, he will not be back. If he is able to do that, however, and the risk of reinjury is very low, then he should be allowed to return. His scoring ability would benefit the second unit, and I don't believe the only criterion should be "win Finals or bust".
I haven’t pivoted on anything, that was my stance from the beginning. They aren’t winning a ring this year. Sorry if that upsets you. I took my mea culpas on not realizing training camp had been shortened. Him getting into the flow effectively is debatable. As is his health status.
But kudos on taking way more time to be a douche than just answer the simple question. Internet points have been awarded. You’re a super positive contributor to the thread, keep it up.
This is one Curry/Durant injury from being far from definite, and both guys have injury history. And even then, just getting to the finals -- which is very much in play -- has some value in terms of development, not to mention the fans and owners. I wouldn't rush him back, but if he's cleared by the medical staff, I see no reason not to play him within reasonable limits.
He could be. I mean, they very fact were discussing this is because unforeseen shit happens--like 5 minutes into the season.
Curry is out now. Someone else could twist an ankle at the exact wrong (or right!) time. If he makes the team stronger heading into the postseason, he's been cleared to play and there's no additional risk factor, why wouldn't he play?
The Celtics should put his boot, Kyrie’s mask and Jaylen’s goggles on display for fans to gawk over.
So Danny's two weeks turned into six days. I'm not a doctor but it really seems like things are moving along pretty well.
Send those puppies to Springfield.
can do pictures with them for fans maybe along rest stops on I-90. make it so.
I'd argue that as a competitive athlete Hayward is absolutely rushing back as quickly as he can.
When has anyone from the Celtics said that Haywas was "done for the year?" Between the Celtics NOT ever saying this, several doctors timelines, along with ex-Celtic Shavlik Randolph's 4-6 month recovery timetable he gave from a similar/nearly identical injury (clean tibia break/dislocated ankle), and Hayward's motivation to return......it is still 70/30 at a min that he returns this year imo.
They and he clearly "set expectations" that he was not coming back this year. Nobody ruled him out.
Of course it is and has always been possible that he might return. The way that I read it, they were trying to remove the pressure of Gordon Watch every week. And if so, that was a smart move.
Thank you for clarifying. I agree that this was the correct move by the Celtics to play that PR card.
I don't agree that the Celtics set their own expectations for him not returning.......I feel that this was more of the gameplan and Bartelstein knew this which is why he was the first to come out with the "he's likely done for the year" statement to best protect his client from Ainge rushing him back. His progress over the next 7 weeks is going to be a major part of their trade deadline strategy......and I'm sure there will be a ton of backroom talk from both sides that none of us are privy too.
Does anyone know how gordon hayward's return influences the injury roster exemption? Could we potentially add a player at the deadline and have Hayward come back for the playoff push?
Yes, lots of people know that. If you'd read this very page of posts, nevermind this thread, so would you.
Hayward's status does not affect the DPE. That question needs to be in some sort of Port Cellar FAQ.
If you're referring in part to me, I don't mean to pick on the new guy. I just think it's amusing how often that gets asked.
Sorry I missed it and thanks! The addition of even an unconditioned Hayward should be a significant addition and go a long to way to improving scoring off of our bench. Assuming there's no potential for reinjury I don't see any drawbacks.
I agree 100% that I don't see any reason to hold him out if he is healed and says he is ready. I don't think this is something like IT's injury that worsens over time. Once it is healed it's healed.
Really too bad that he can't play against Utah tonight. That would've been fun.
Really too bad that he can't play against Utah tonight. That would've been fun.
That's one area I haven't seen a medical opinion on, the risk of reinjury or making-it-worse if he comes back before being 100%. DRS addressed the injury, but didn't speak to that point. His conclusion was:
I mean it is literally on this page. It was answered on post #259, and his post was #277. Take a minute to at least read the page you are posting on.
Danny rarely lets a chit expire, and Hayward certainly won't be back by March 10.
Gordon Hayward said he isn't counting out returning this season but he will focus on his rehab. Wearing a brace on his left left.
Asked if there's any chance he could return this season, Gordon Hayward, said, "My mind is open to that. I'm trying to get back as fast as I can. It all depends on how I heal. Taking it day-by-day, goal-by-goal. We'll see what happens."
Paul George was... not great... when he came back at the end of the year after breaking his leg. I wouldn't get my hopes too high about him even if he does come back.
Even if he could just play decent defense and hit threes off the bench that would be so useful.
We wouldn't be asking Hayward to be great. We'd be asking him to upgrade the second unit by replacing Ojeleye's minutes. This actually is similar to George's return for the Pacers that season when he replaced Damjan Rudez' second unit minutes on the way to winning 5 of their last 6 games.
Agreed. IF his rehab continues at/ahead of schedule, I would still not expect normal Hayward when he comes back. And I don't think he will be totally back at all this season.
But even starting off at 10 min/game and increasing that to 25 min/game would be a huge help. The current roster is better than expected, but I don't think it's a legit contender as constituted. If Hayward can eventually play half a game at anything close to his level of play last season, that would be a huge boost.
Either way, I'm more optimistic about the 2018-2019 chances than I was 2 months ago.
My hope is that he comes back this year and plays in some meaningless games just so he can get his confidence back. I can't even imagine how hard it will be for him to go up for an alley oop, mentally wise.
I want to get that out if the way ASAP.
I want to get that out if the way ASAP.