Jaylen Brown - underrated?

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Although, a headache in this case is likely a concussive symptom.
I think everyone assumed he had at least a concussion.. but watching live thought there was a chance it could be a lot worse.. broken bone in arm or shoulder or even something in the neck area.
 

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20 for his last 22 from the line. 24-26 if you count the Futures game 4-4. Huge development if he can really turn the corner to an average/above average shooter from the line.
Update: 25-27; 29-31 if you count the futures game. New routine is working out well.
 

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I think everyone assumed he had at least a concussion.. but watching live thought there was a chance it could be a lot worse.. broken bone in arm or shoulder or even something in the neck area.
When Kris Dunn went down in January with a concussion on a similar play and similarly scary fall (face instead of upper back) he missed an entire month recovering from concussion symptoms. Everyone is different when it comes to concussion recovery.
 

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Although, a headache in this case is likely a concussive symptom.
Yeah, in cases like this, I don't think we should ever really listen to the athlete. The doctor should. Us, eh...

I mean, I still haven't seen video of the incident but I remember it. Like, I had turned the game on but got caught doing something in another room. I heard yelling next door, my phone started buzzing, and the game thread jumped like two pages all at once.

I figure something happened.
 

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When Kris Dunn went down in January with a concussion on a similar play and similarly scary fall (face instead of upper back) he missed an entire month recovering from concussion symptoms. Everyone is different when it comes to concussion recovery.
I dunno if @EricFeczko is a basketball fan, but he's been very effective at explaining how wide the range can be between persons with respect to susceptibility.
 

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When Kris Dunn went down in January with a concussion on a similar play and similarly scary fall (face instead of upper back) he missed an entire month recovering from concussion symptoms. Everyone is different when it comes to concussion recovery.
Wasn't trying to diminish the idea of a concussion.. but was thinking when it happened that that was the best case scenario given how bad it looked. I was just hoping he didn't break his shoulder, arm, neck or back.
 

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Celts are 6 games up on Cleve (in the loss column) with 16 to go (Wizards and Pacers 8 losses back).

Note that the celts have a 69.7 win %, about 66% at home and 70% on the road!

Being slightly pessimistic, or assuming the celts rest players, a rough guess (see the table below) is the celts go 9 and 7 (0.56).

IOW: unless your worry that Cleveland basically runs the table (18 games)--- or you think you can catch Toronto --- starting right about NOW is time to rest ALL injuries.

(I am sure a much better simulation is possible that the following,...)
(Damn, my table got messed up, hence the coarse formatting)

For simplicity, I use 4 classes with the following probability of winnng:
Easy win (80%), WIn (60%), Toss up (50%), Loss (40%)

Team Road? Outcome
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Ind (3/11) Win
Wash (3/14) Win
Orl (3/16) Road Win
NO (3/18) Road Loss
OKC (3/20) Win
Por (3/23) Road Loss
SAC (3/25) Road Win
Pho (3/26) Road Win
Uta (3/28) Road Loss
Tor (3/31) Tossup
Mil (4/3) Road Tossup
Tor (4/4) Road Loss
Chi (4/6) Easy
Atl (4/8) Easy
Was (4/10) Road Tossup
Bkn (4/11) Easy


Expected wins=9.1 ( 3*0.8 + 6*0.6+ 3*0.5 + 4*0.4)
 
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If he was really bad, I don't believe they would have let him fly back with the team. I kind of assumed this meant he would possibly only miss a few days.
 

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If he was really bad, I don't believe they would have let him fly back with the team. I kind of assumed this meant he would possibly only miss a few days.
IANAD, but the way that he curled up after landing, that looks like a legit two-weeker. Yes, everyone is different, and every concussion is different. But the hundred thousand foot view on grade 2 concussions is that you sure as shit don't want the slightest chance of a second concussion within 14 days. Generally, if a guy gets one of those on a week 7 Sunday NFL game, he's going to miss the week 8 game and be back for the week 9 game (if it's on a Sunday). That all presumes no previous history and complications of course.

If Brown avoids impacts of all kinds, I think that two weeks is a reasonable estimate of his return. Maybe they add a day or two. My guess is that he flies with them to the west coast, sits out Portland and plays in Sacramento. They might also build back up his minutes slowly. But I would be shocked if he sees an NBA minute before Portland on 3/23.
 

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If he was really bad, I don't believe they would have let him fly back with the team. I kind of assumed this meant he would possibly only miss a few days.
The recovery time surely would be longer than two days however the fact that he was ABLE to fly is a very good sign.
 

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Brown back and goes 6 of 10 from field and 6 of 6 from the line.
 

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It's like Jaylen decided a month or two ago that he was going to be a 90% free throw shooter. It's still a small sample but if the improvement at the line is real he's a really dangerous offensive player.
 

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It's like Jaylen decided a month or two ago that he was going to be a 90% free throw shooter. It's still a small sample but if the improvement at the line is real he's a really dangerous offensive player.
That's literally what happened based on this article, haha. Dude is ridiculously impressive.
 

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IANAD, but the way that he curled up after landing, that looks like a legit two-weeker. Yes, everyone is different, and every concussion is different.
If Brown avoids impacts of all kinds, I think that two weeks is a reasonable estimate of his return. Maybe they add a day or two......
My guess is that he flies with them to the west coast, sits out Portland and plays in Sacramento. They might also build back up his minutes slowly. But I would be shocked if he sees an NBA minute before Portland on 3/23.
+1..Jimbo made this call over two weeks ago.

Our concussion guru going forward. Any predictions on the rest of the hobbled?
 

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Dude has ice in his veins. Watching this clip I wouldn't be able to tell if they won or lost.

 

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Dude has ice in his veins. Watching this clip I wouldn't be able to tell if they won or lost.

I loved this interview too. Not only is he chill as hell (oxymoron?) but he also flashes a little bit of annoyance with the suggestion that the team, as currently constituted, cannot compete and win games like this one. IOW, he expects to win these games whether or not Kyrie & Co are playing.

One question: Does it seem like Jaylen coasts at times on defense? I'm not criticizing him because it's the rare player that plays all-out on every defensive possession, but it just seems like he can become a little lethargic on defense at times. Part of it may be how fluid he is and it looks more like lethargy, but its strikes me that there are times when he almost seems disinterested. To be clear, I love Jaylen.
 

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I loved this interview too. Not only is he chill as hell (oxymoron?) but he also flashes a little bit of annoyance with the suggestion that the team, as currently constituted, cannot compete and win games like this one. IOW, he expects to win these games whether or not Kyrie & Co are playing.

One question: Does it seem like Jaylen coasts at times on defense? I'm not criticizing him because it's the rare player that plays all-out on every defensive possession, but it just seems like he can become a little lethargic on defense at times. Part of it may be how fluid he is and it looks more like lethargy, but its strikes me that there are times when he almost seems disinterested. To be clear, I love Jaylen.
I think that he loses focus from time to time, like pretty much everyone else that averages 30ish MPG. Sometimes he watches the ball too long and gets beat for a backdoor baseline cut. I don't think that it's an effort thing.
 

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I was a huge Jaylen fan last year and I can’t believe the jump he’s made this year. It’s almost unbelievable. He’s knocking on the door of being an all star caliber player.
 

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The fact that this guy can shoot 7-10 from three on his way to 32 points (to be fair, against a dreadful opponent) in April of year two and this thread goes overnight without a bump speaks volumes about how far he has come. I'm excited to see what he looks like after another offseason like the last one.
 

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The fact that this guy can shoot 7-10 from three on his way to 32 points (to be fair, against a dreadful opponent) in April of year two and this thread goes overnight without a bump speaks volumes about how far he has come. I'm excited to see what he looks like after another offseason like the last one.
The amount of time and space he had on at least one of those 3s was amazing. In the first half, Jabari Bird (I think) passed to him in the left corner and I don't think there was another player on the whole left side of the court. It was the kind of shot where you almost worry that a player has too much time to stay in rhythm.
 

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Last night was a nice reminder that if Jaylen was on a crap team he'd be putting up way better numbers and there would be a lot more buzz about him.
 

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I wish he passed to his teammate (don't remember who it was) on the play with under 2 minutes left on the game, where he drove the length of the court and missed the layout (ball balanced on the rim before falling out). BUT wow his speed and handle were dynamic on that play - it could never have happened last year (or maybe even earlier this year). He is going to be fun to watch grow... ...either into an all-star 2 or into the Brow.
 

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It's difficult to overstate his growth from year one because it was almost a binary click from off to on in terms of team defensive awareness. His handle has improved dramatically. His shot has improved moderately. If he takes a step half as big forward next year he's an all star. If he manages similar improvement he's starting the all-star game. Or maybe he'll take a while, but he's definitely a good distance from his ceiling (Jimmy Butler?).
 

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If he can get into the 70%-handles on FTs, he becomes even more lethal. The guy has the skills to create his own shot and take it inside. However, his inability to hit FTs limits the value of that skill set (and makes him a liability when teams are looking to foul to extend quarters/games). I will be surprised if he doesn't improve that aspect of his game during the offseason.
 

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However, his inability to hit FTs limits the value of that skill set (and makes him a liability when teams are looking to foul to extend quarters/games). I will be surprised if he doesn't improve that aspect of his game during the offseason.
You realize he's at 83% since the ASB and over 90% in March?
 

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It's difficult to overstate his growth from year one because it was almost a binary click from off to on in terms of team defensive awareness. His handle has improved dramatically. His shot has improved moderately. If he takes a step half as big forward next year he's an all star. If he manages similar improvement he's starting the all-star game. Or maybe he'll take a while, but he's definitely a good distance from his ceiling (Jimmy Butler?).
He's gotten quite good at helping off his man at the appropriate time on stunts and swipes.
 

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You realize he's at 83% since the ASB and over 90% in March?
Yes, he has shown improvement - lets hope its sustainable. As everyone here has noted, the guy is a very good all around player and FTs are essentially the last piece of the puzzle.
 

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Last night was a nice reminder that if Jaylen was on a crap team he'd be putting up way better numbers and there would be a lot more buzz about him.
Maybe. It is pretty remarkable just how similar Murray, Ingram and Jaylen are from a box score perspective, outside of Jamal Murray's FT shooting anyway. Although you might mean in general rather than regards to his peers.
 

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I dunno what the Celtics do with these guys in the offseason, but when we add in the data point that Tatum increased how 3 point range before the season started from college, and there is a lot to hope for from this next offseason.

It seems apparent that, in the offseason, they get work done. And Jaylen seems like he’s a worker.
 

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FWIW, it does seem Danny drafts guys who work hard. I can't remember the last time he picked a guy who didn't want to put in the work.
 

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I dunno what the Celtics do with these guys in the offseason, but when we add in the data point that Tatum increased how 3 point range before the season started from college, and there is a lot to hope for from this next offseason.

It seems apparent that, in the offseason, they get work done. And Jaylen seems like he’s a worker.
From what I’ve read, Tatum re-worked his shot during the summer with his long-time personal trainer (in today’s NBA, a twenty-year old can have a long-time trainer), Drew Hanlon. Tatum also shot free throws better than basically any non-guard freshman prospect ever, so lots of people were pretty bullish on his chances of extending his range.

Jaylen’s free throw stroke does look much better and he does strike me as an attention to detail kinda guy. He was great at getting to the line in college. His role to date on the Celtics hasn’t really lent itself to that, but it will. If he and Tatum are really 40% 3pt shooters- and I see no reason to doubt it- they’re gonna be doing beautiful things with Kyrie, Horford and Hayward next year.
 

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It's difficult to overstate his growth from year one because it was almost a binary click from off to on in terms of team defensive awareness.
Yes, this has been incredible. Last year he was lost pretty much all season. Then this year he comes in day one at an all star defensive level.
 

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I really don’t want to trade Brown (or Tatum obviously)

It’s probably biased but I love his game and him too much. I want to see what we can do with a healthy squad and Danny’s stockpiled picks.
 

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Yes, he has shown improvement - lets hope its sustainable. As everyone here has noted, the guy is a very good all around player and FTs are essentially the last piece of the puzzle.
Honestly, it looks like he recognized the FT issue early this year and figured it out.

I'd say the last piece of the puzzle for Jaylen is his handle. Much improved from last year but still needs plenty of work.