Kirk and Callahan: Done

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I have actually liked GT as the occasional guy on D&C. I think he works well with Kirk and is generally pretty entertaining (as opposed to Mutt couldn't be more boring). It seems like Gerry and Kirk both actually like him and it brings a different energy than the all around hate.....I just don't think it could work with him in everyday long term, for the reasons you stated above.
 

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To change gears from Tanguay for a second, I was thinking about this the other day: John Dennis had his retirement in sight, all he had to do was STFU and he'd have a good couple of months of people throwing bouquets at him and his career. He'd probably have a nice retrospective, have a clip show stretching back to when he was at WHDH, maybe even a few sports stars could say what a nice guy he is. It seems kind of cheesy, but I think that most people would love that. It's a nice way to go out, after a long, long career in Boston sports.

For some reason, he couldn't do it. And I find this self-destruction (which has been his hallmark for the last 15 years) incredibly fascinating. That's because John Dennis, the announcer, is as bland and boring as can be. The only thing that he was really good at was moving the show along. But John Dennis, the person, seems to be a completely unpredictable whack job which is interesting as fuck. He's the antithesis of Howard Stern (or at least the old Howard Stern, I don't have satellite radio).

He's a very strange man.
 

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I have actually liked GT as the occasional guy on D&C. I think he works well with Kirk and is generally pretty entertaining (as opposed to Mutt couldn't be more boring). It seems like Gerry and Kirk both actually like him and it brings a different energy than the all around hate.....I just don't think it could work with him in everyday long term, for the reasons you stated above.
You've got to be kidding me. What about him to you find "pretty entertaining"?
 

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You've got to be kidding me. What about him to you find "pretty entertaining"?

No shit. Tanguay is terrible!! Never. Ever. Is he "pretty entertaining." As much as I dislike the bigot Callahan I can listen to him when he talks sports, and only sports, and I find myself agreeing with his takes more often than not. Same for that little fresh fuck Minihane who needs a slap in the mouth. But Tanguay? Oh man, does he suck. Unlistenable.
 

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To change gears from Tanguay for a second, I was thinking about this the other day: John Dennis had his retirement in sight, all he had to do was STFU and he'd have a good couple of months of people throwing bouquets at him and his career. He'd probably have a nice retrospective, have a clip show stretching back to when he was at WHDH, maybe even a few sports stars could say what a nice guy he is. It seems kind of cheesy, but I think that most people would love that. It's a nice way to go out, after a long, long career in Boston sports.

For some reason, he couldn't do it. And I find this self-destruction (which has been his hallmark for the last 15 years) incredibly fascinating. That's because John Dennis, the announcer, is as bland and boring as can be. The only thing that he was really good at was moving the show along. But John Dennis, the person, seems to be a completely unpredictable whack job which is interesting as fuck. He's the antithesis of Howard Stern (or at least the old Howard Stern, I don't have satellite radio).

He's a very strange man.
Or, he's actually got a health problem and the stress of doing the job was really why he walked away early from the contract.

FWIW, I think drunk Dennis probably sticks it out, does the completely-fake fights with Minihane, and gets the cheesy send-off - probably right after next year's JF event.

Sober Dennis decided he didn't need any of that bullshit and decided to go play more golf.
 

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I just think in short spurts he's funny. Today was unlistenable with him running the show, but when he's on with Kirk and Callahan I like the show better than when its the other fill ins they have had.
 

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Or, he's actually got a health problem and the stress of doing the job was really why he walked away early from the contract.
The stress of what? Interacting with his cohosts? Or the stress of his health problem? Because one is a bit more understandable than the other.
 

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Maybe the hours? He was often active on twitter at night - presumably while watching sports - and then had to be at work by 5 every morning.

It was pretty clear Dennis thought of watching any sport - other than golf - like it was a work chore.
 

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Tanguay's character (for for lack of a better word) is far different that the one he portrayed in The Sports Hub's midday show. He was extremely dull and no one missed him when he was canned. Since then, he's gone off the rails a little bit. His persona is really grating when he's working solo on CSN, but against Callahan or Minihane, it's somewhat entertaining. And he makes the political conversations with that duo tolerable. I still don't completely like him as a host; he's far too prone to spit out nonsensical hot takes. However, he's put together a few decent shows in his "tryout."
 

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Tanguay should be dead to any patriots fan.

He was peddling the "I'm from the Boston sports media, and the pats are dirty rotten cheats" persona to get himself on sports shows around the country. He was on more than one occasion here in the Bay Area, and it was wankfest of the Pats did it, Brady did it, etc.
 

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Didn't he get sacked from the hosting gig on the radio pre-game show a couple of years ago? I suspect that plus some pathetic attempt to stay viable in the business is driving this "Boston guy who tells it like it is when it comes to the Patriots" character he's been playing of late.
 

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Didn't he get sacked from the hosting gig on the radio pre-game show a couple of years ago? I suspect that plus some pathetic attempt to stay viable in the business is driving this "Boston guy who tells it like it is when it comes to the Patriots" character he's been playing of late.
Not sure if he quit or wanted a bigger role at WEEI, but he was definitely passed over to replace Gil Santos, so there is likely some animus towards Kraft/Moonves.
 

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Not sure if he quit or wanted a bigger role at WEEI, but he was definitely passed over to replace Gil Santos, so there is likely some animus towards Kraft/Moonves.
He did a very tedious interview with Minihane on his podcast and he admitted that he was passed over for the job.
 

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He did a very tedious interview with Minihane on his podcast and he admitted that he was passed over for the job.
Thanks, just to add some information, here's what Chad Finn wrote in 2011. (emphasis mine)

What’s less obvious is the successor to Santos, who is expected to be more resistant than Cappelletti when it’s time to turn off the microphone. Industry sources believe Gary Tanguay is in line for the job, which would explain why he departed without rancor when he was replaced by Andy Gresh alongside Zolak on The Sports Hub’s midday show in April 2010. Like Santos, Tanguay, who hosts the pre- and postgame shows, has the classic pipes, but he comes up shy of a first down when compared with Santos in his heyday. This transition would not be akin to the instantly excellent Sean McDonough arriving to replace Ned Martin on Red Sox broadcast in the late ’80s.​

It definitely sounds like 98.5 gave him the impression that he would be the next voice of the Patriots, so he must have been a little blindsided when they gave the job to an outsider instead. I have no idea how involved the Patriots were in the decision, but Kraft and CBS have a very close relationship, so I would not be surprised if Tanguay has an axe to grind with the team.
 

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Thanks, just to add some information, here's what Chad Finn wrote in 2011. (emphasis mine)

What’s less obvious is the successor to Santos, who is expected to be more resistant than Cappelletti when it’s time to turn off the microphone. Industry sources believe Gary Tanguay is in line for the job, which would explain why he departed without rancor when he was replaced by Andy Gresh alongside Zolak on The Sports Hub’s midday show in April 2010. Like Santos, Tanguay, who hosts the pre- and postgame shows, has the classic pipes, but he comes up shy of a first down when compared with Santos in his heyday. This transition would not be akin to the instantly excellent Sean McDonough arriving to replace Ned Martin on Red Sox broadcast in the late ’80s.​

It definitely sounds like 98.5 gave him the impression that he would be the next voice of the Patriots, so he must have been a little blindsided when they gave the job to an outsider instead. I have no idea how involved the Patriots were in the decision, but Kraft and CBS have a very close relationship, so I would not be surprised if Tanguay has an axe to grind with the team.
Thanks for the follow up. I seem to recall that as soon as he was no longer employed on the radio broadcast at all, his tone on other platforms turned 180 from Patriot cheerleader to cartoonishly critical troll. I actually just surfed onto his opening for that 7:30 CSNNE thing he does, it was basically first Tom Brady, now Rob Ninkovich, cheating Patriots, bla bla. In the neither here nor there department, he strikes me as a weird, tormented little guy.
 

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So excited to tune in and hear Arcand on the morning show. He held his own against Kirk and Gerry. I'd love to see him get this seat.
 

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I heard him this morning too, he was good. I hadn't heard him very much previously but I could listen to that show.
Sheppard was on earlier in the week and he was predictably awful.
 

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To change gears from Tanguay for a second, I was thinking about this the other day: John Dennis had his retirement in sight, all he had to do was STFU and he'd have a good couple of months of people throwing bouquets at him and his career. He'd probably have a nice retrospective, have a clip show stretching back to when he was at WHDH, maybe even a few sports stars could say what a nice guy he is. It seems kind of cheesy, but I think that most people would love that. It's a nice way to go out, after a long, long career in Boston sports.

For some reason, he couldn't do it. And I find this self-destruction (which has been his hallmark for the last 15 years) incredibly fascinating. That's because John Dennis, the announcer, is as bland and boring as can be. The only thing that he was really good at was moving the show along. But John Dennis, the person, seems to be a completely unpredictable whack job which is interesting as fuck. He's the antithesis of Howard Stern (or at least the old Howard Stern, I don't have satellite radio).

He's a very strange man.
That reason is because he's a raging asshole in real life.

I mean, the whole obscene threatening voice mail he left for Russilo was treated as a wacky joke, but that's who John Dennis really is: a blowdried asshole bully. It's hardly shocking that he couldn't keep his shit together long enough to get a nice sendoff, because he's a dick.
 

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He is a raging asshole. But my point was, he must be a REAL raging asshole to not be able to hold it together for 16 months. I still don't like the guy and fuck him, but he must have some real serious rage problems. I'm shocked that he didn't have a complete and total meltdown on the air.
 

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So excited to tune in and hear Arcand on the morning show. He held his own against Kirk and Gerry. I'd love to see him get this seat.
When Felger filled in with Callahan in the pre-Sports Hub days, it was usually really good. Not sure how well someone can handle jousting with Callahan long-term, but the best fit so far for the morning show is Arcand with K&C.
 

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Can someone fill me in on the back story between Dave portnoy from barstool sports and EEI? Sounds like he posted a picture of a baby on his sight, and EEI picked up on it and blasted him, but he was not allowed to come on at the time. He was on today and just got into it with Ordway, etc.
 

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Deadspin gives a pretty good overview. Essentially Portnoy published a photo of Brady's naked son and joked about the size of his penis. WEEI then used the backlash to drive its programming all day with Glenn Ordway taking particular delight in it. Then Jason Wolfe banned Portnoy, who was a regular contributor at the time, from WEEI's airwaves.

http://deadspin.com/5831042/the-big-penis-of-tom-bradys-toddler-son-prompted-state-police-to-visit-barstool-sports-editors-home
To expand, WEEI went through (is still going through?) an extraordinarily tone-deaf and desperate attempt to cop the T&R "shock jock"/pottymouth gestalt, back when they were still trying to claim they had better overall morning ratings. Portnoy and Minihane were, I think, part of that younger-demographic outreach attempt, as was the (now abandoned) moratorium on talking politics.

EEI of course colossally screwed the pooch in this attempt. Instead of mirroring T&R's juvenile, funny, self-effacing routine, D&C&M took their baser instincts to new depths of meanness, sexism, voyeuristic homophobia and dirty-old-man-ness, and generally created an even uglier and more off-putting version of their angry white men persona. Minihane, instead of taking the conversation in a younger, hipper, more-inclusive direction, got himself repeatedly suspended, including for doubling down on a week-long bit that involved calling Erin Andrews a "gutless bitch", telling her to drop dead, and saying that she would be a waitress if she was 15 pounds heavier. D&C, deprived of their ability to discuss politics, instead revelled in using every LGBT news item, no matter how trivial, as a springboard for their own vivid and imaginative depictions of what the mechanics of LGBT sexuality must really be like.

Barstool Sports, by this point in time, was more than halfway to being a porn/shock website. One of those armpit-of-the-internet click-bait-y sites that specializes in creepy nudes, where paparazzi/tabloid journalism standards are something to aspire to, and 4chan/reddit are kind of the baseline. Portnoy brought a similar level of sophistication to his appearances on D&C, which became frequent enough that it looked for a minute like he might be almost under consideration for a fourth chair slot, or maybe even the third. His ability to bring the latest dregs of the internet as discussion topics, was like bringing a 1,000-gallon barrel of personal lubricant to D&C&M's panel of prurient self-indulgence.

So by the time Portnoy's website and on-air persona were literally using the genitals of a toddler as a headline discussion topic, and publishing pictures of same, when said toddler happened to be the child of the show's most-famous guest and primary ratings draw, it was a kind of culmination of a strategy that they had been desperately and wrongly pursuing for some months. Neither the show nor the station seemed to notice anything was wrong until it was pointed out in the national media that they were, you know, actually talking about pictures of a child's genitals. In detail. And directing listeners to where to find these remarkable pictures online, so they could call in and join the fun on-air.

Then, of course, the top minds at EEI banned Portnoy, and once again re-jiggered the rules of topicality for the morning show. I think there was a lot of golf chat for a while. That may have been about the time that Minihane decided to go hard after the competition, by throwing down the now-legendary "Sports Debate" gauntlet.
 

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Thanks guys. I stopped listening to Sports radio almost entirely about 6-7 years ago and re-devoted my radio time to Howard Stern. Now, I just find myself stepping back into the abyss when Stern is on an extended vacation like this week. I didn't really even know who Portnoy, Minihane and some of the newer faces were until today. Seems I'm probably better off for it.

Not to mention the number of commercials seems like it's gotten out of control, at least after listening to Satellite radio for so long, where you can basically fast forward through them if you pause it for a few minutes while taking a call or something.
 

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Wow, should be an interesting week at the morning show with Deitsch co-hosting and Chad Finn's appearance on Enough about Me.
 

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Deitsch was really good this morning. He's a national guy but showed he knows a lot more about Boston sports and its media scene than most local guys EEI has had on in that 3rd spot since Dino left.
 

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I agree. I don't know how old the guy is but he injects a bit of youth into the show based on how young he sounds in comparison to Callahan.
 

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Deitsch was really good this morning. He's a national guy but showed he knows a lot more about Boston sports and its media scene than most local guys EEI has had on in that 3rd spot since Dino left.
Agreed. I listened to about 10-15 minutes today. He also held his own on the political discussion, even with Callahan badgering him about Trump.
 

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If you click on the tweet it is clear from his responses that he doesn't know anything and is just giving his opinion.
My guess is they will rotate in a few different people and unfortunately Tanguay will be one of them.
 

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If you click on the tweet it is clear from his responses that he doesn't know anything and is just giving his opinion.
My guess is they will rotate in a few different people and unfortunately Tanguay will be one of them.
I'll take that if true. I only listen sporadically to K&C anyway. I can find plenty of other stuff to listen to during the Tanguay Days.
 

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Until this morning, I had forgotten how much I despise Pete Sheppard. I will never listen if he gets the gig.
 

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He really is awful only slightly better than Tanguay, they've had some good options in but I doubt any of them have a shot.
 

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Unreal that the #1 most listened to show in New England by white men with disposable income over 50 can't find someone better.
 

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Why do they feel the need to have a 3rd wheel anyway? The show works fine with just Kirk and Callahan mixing it up. Taking Dennis out of the mix is all that was needed for instant improvement.

Use the extra money to pay for better production and support staff.
 

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I just listened to the podcast and it was really interesting even though half of it was about the bizarre fascination that show has about the Globe not liking them.
Chad saying he liked both Tanguay and Shepard was a little disconcerting though.
 

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Chad - what do you like (professionally) about Tanguay? Seriously. If he's a nice guy, then great. But IMO he is Exhibit A about what's terrible about certain aspects of sports broadcast media: A know-nothing dunce that picks sides on an issue because he thinks it's edgy or contrarian, but is vapid and soul crushing.
 

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He is, but I think the difference with him is that it's done with a wink. He's actually aware enough to know that he's vapid and soul-crushing, which gives him an advantage over, I don't know, the Bayless types and all the imitators. Plus he at least attempts to stand up to Gerry sometimes on non-sports matters, which I appreciate. Hey, the bar is set pretty low.
 

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Nice job with Kirk, Chad. You're definitely in his (their) head. I was a little disappointed on the "do you think Gerry is a racist?" response because he so very clearly is, but I guess I can understand your response. It was fun to hear Kirk be not so tough when he actually has someone who disagrees with him on the other end of the table. Nicely done.
 
Please tell me you just forgot to type the word "cast" after the word "pod"

It is not acceptable for any person to be referring to pod casts as "the pod". It's just not OK.
I'm with you. Please don't let this become a thing.

I'm looking forward to listening to it but I can't believe @Chad Finn actually likes Tanguay. I'm a huge fan of Finn and read his column all the time. His opinion of Tanguay shakes my foundation. It's like finding out your new girlfriend likes Nickelback. Or Nazis. I may have to re-evaluate every thing in my life at this point.