I find the whole medical conspiracy theory a bit ludicrous, considering that Fultz only missed 6 games last year, while Tatum missed 8 games.There is no way anything about Fultz's shoulder showed up in the medicals.
My pet theory is that Danny asked about the knee injury that kept him out of what, two months worth of games? Danny probably asked what happened, hat did the Drs say, what treatment he did, etc. Fultz probably didn't haveany good way to answer that and Danny said to himself "hard pass."
That's why he didn't negotiate harder on the pick - because he never wanted Fultz in the first place and be was afraid PHI was going to figure that out.
My pet theory.
He probably also thought Fultz was a weird dude and that something was off. At least I would hope he picked up on that, based on how weird Fultz seems to be. I think HRB's Royce Young comp earlier is pretty decent.I find the whole medical conspiracy theory a bit ludicrous, considering that Fultz only missed 6 games last year, while Tatum missed 8 games.
Why can't it just be as simple as Danny viewed Tatum as nearly as sure of a thing, and he got to pick up an additional asset?
Yeah the signs were there from the first post-lottery interviews when Ainge never mentioned him by name. Had Fultz been Ainge's clear cut guy going out of his way to avoid mentioning him does not occur. Thats #1.....number 2 is that immediately following Ainge meeting with Fultz the player then scheduled workouts with Philly and the Lakers.I find the whole medical conspiracy theory a bit ludicrous, considering that Fultz only missed 6 games last year, while Tatum missed 8 games.
Why can't it just be as simple as Danny viewed Tatum as nearly as sure of a thing, and he got to pick up an additional asset?
waaah? That's waaaaay too logical, where's the fun in that?I find the whole medical conspiracy theory a bit ludicrous, considering that Fultz only missed 6 games last year, while Tatum missed 8 games.
Why can't it just be as simple as Danny viewed Tatum as nearly as sure of a thing, and he got to pick up an additional asset?
I have no idea whether Fultz has the demeanor of Michael Jordan or Royce Young.He probably also thought Fultz was a weird dude and that something was off. At least I would hope he picked up on that, based on how weird Fultz seems to be. I think HRB's Royce Young comp earlier is pretty decent.
Royce White? Royce Young is a writer for the Thunder. I had no clue who was being referenced but eventually landed on White. ¯\(°_O)/¯I think HRB's Royce Young comp earlier is pretty decent.
Yup White, my bad.Royce White? Royce Young is a writer for the Thunder. I had no clue who was being referenced but eventually landed on White. ¯\(°_O)/¯
Yep. This feels like the baseline.Why can't it just be as simple as Danny viewed Tatum as nearly as sure of a thing, and he got to pick up an additional asset?
Because we'd have a lot less to talk about on this message board?I find the whole medical conspiracy theory a bit ludicrous, considering that Fultz only missed 6 games last year, while Tatum missed 8 games.
Why can't it just be as simple as Danny viewed Tatum as nearly as sure of a thing, and he got to pick up an additional asset?
"Don't worry, I can totally adjust my shooting form to compensate."However, I really do wonder what Fultz said when Danny asked him about his knee.
I'd be very surprised if the Celtics had Ball in their top 5.I really believe that Danny had Tatum ranked as his #1 prospect in the draft. Or at least as the best fit for the Celtics.
When he made the trade, he stated that he'd pick the player at 3 that he would have taken at 1. A much safer statement would have been that they had the top three guys rated so closely that the drop off from 1 to 3 was worth picking up the extra pick. He'd only say what he said if he was comfortable being on record that he had Tatum as the top guy.
Absolutely. I also wonder what his answer was to "why did you only shoot 65% from the FT line at UW?" Also: Were teams looking for him to become a John Stockton/Kevin Johnson or a Russell Westbrook /James Harden? Perhaps a Jason Kidd?"Don't worry, I can totally adjust my shooting form to compensate."
In 2+ decades of following sports I don't remember ever hearing of this injury.Fultz is out indefinitely with “scapular muscle imbalance:”
Apparently he'll be reevaluated in "approximately three weeks."Other reports are saying minimum of 3 weeks.
Muscle imbalance is when the muscles on either side of a joint are providing different tensions (often one's been weakened by injury), thus limiting mobility.In 2+ decades of following sports I don't remember ever hearing of this injury.
Any docs to chime in? Muscle imbalance sounds kind of made up.
Not a doctor, but having pitched for a number of years, I'm familiar with muscle imbalances being an underlying cause of shoulder impingement. Can't say I ever remember hearing the injury occurring in a basketball player though.In 2+ decades of following sports I don't remember ever hearing of this injury.
Any docs to chime in? Muscle imbalance sounds kind of made up.
Do a few too many military presses without near perfect form, as one might do trying to turn a skinny kids body into something ready for an NBA beating, and you can wreck your shoulder in a hurry. Hopefully it recovers with just R&RMost common muscle imbalance I see is Patellofemoral syndrome. The muscles on one side of the leg are stronger then the other and the underside of the patella gets dragged onto one side of the patellofemoral groove instead of down the middle. It doesn’t matter unless you use your knees a lot (ie run). Markelle’s injury could be the result of working out excessively, but unwisely, over the summer.
That makes sense, but if it was simply lifting with wrong form, one would think this wouldn't be the first time we've heard about it in this setting, no?Do a few too many military presses without near perfect form, as one might do trying to turn a skinny kids body into something ready for an NBA beating, and you can wreck your shoulder in a hurry. Hopefully it recovers with just R&R
No idea what's up with Fultz, but sometimes it's volume, not form. A kid putting in extra work can do pretty good damage even with good form and the correct poundage.That makes sense, but if it was simply lifting with wrong form, one would think this wouldn't be the first time we've heard about it in this setting, no?
Just a weird story and I hope he gets healthy.
From what I recall Fultz didn't hire agent representation until very late in the process only weeks before the draft. I'm pro-agent in this day and age (it isn't like the scammers of years ago) as I've spoken of its advantages and having professional representations team of trainers/workout facilities at your disposal would help prevent someone like Fultz winging his workouts on his own.No idea what's up with Fultz, but sometimes it's volume, not form. A kid putting in extra work can do pretty good damage even with good form and the correct poundage.
In my limited lifting experience, shoulders are one of the areas particularly prone to volume issues. And "playing through it" is probably a common mistake.
P.s. The staff should have put a stop to it sooner, if this is the case, and started treatment. But I can see someone so young wanting to keep going and not knowing that he should escalate the issue.
If his shoulder is injured to the point that he changed his entire motion because he's having trouble lifting his arm over his head without pain, why is he stressing that shoulder at all? In the video he's still using it as the guide hand.Don't see what the big deal is. He can't shoot right handed so he shoots left-handed to stave off the boredom? I don't think practicing with one's left hand hurts the mechanics of the other shot.
Clarity tweets here:
"Some clarity on today: at this stage of his PT program, Fultz is not yet shooting right handed jumpers, per team source."
"Fultz is cleared for other work (which we saw) like layups with his dominant hand, but there are no plans to switch his shooting hand"
This made me laugh.And I was all worried that when Hayward came back he'd be shooting from a chair.
If I'm Philly I'm all for having my young stud PG work on his left hand.Don't see what the big deal is. He can't shoot right handed so he shoots left-handed to stave off the boredom? I don't think practicing with one's left hand hurts the mechanics of the other shot.
That's funny.And I was all worried that when Hayward came back he'd be shooting from a chair.
Laterality:Asymmetries of Brain Body and Cognition said:Findings from neurosciences indicate that the two brain hemispheres are specialised for the processing of distinct movement features. How this knowledge can be useful in motor learning remains unclear. Two experiments were conducted to investigate the influence of initial practice with the dominant vs non-dominant hand on the acquisition of novel throwing skills. Within a transfer design two groups practised a novel motor task with the same amount of practice on each hand, but in opposite hand-order. In Experiment 1, participants acquired the position throw in basketball, which places high demands on throwing accuracy. Participants practising this task with their non-dominant hand first, before changing to the dominant hand, showed better skill acquisition than participants practising in opposite order. In Experiment 2 participants learned the overarm throw in team handball, which requires great throwing strength. Participants initially practising with their dominant hand benefited more from practice than participants beginning with their non-dominant hand. These results indicate that spatial accuracy tasks are learned better after initial practice with the non-dominant hand, whereas initial practice with the dominant hand is more efficient for maximum force production tasks. The effects are discussed in terms of brain lateralisation and bilateral practice schedules..
Now that’s what I call...Whenever I injure my right hand and have to switch to my left, it's like a whole new experience.
It's no big deal. He can be coached without contact and when it's appropriate to shoot in that left handed is fine.Don't see what the big deal is. He can't shoot right handed so he shoots left-handed to stave off the boredom? I don't think practicing with one's left hand hurts the mechanics of the other shot.
Clarity tweets here:
"Some clarity on today: at this stage of his PT program, Fultz is not yet shooting right handed jumpers, per team source."
"Fultz is cleared for other work (which we saw) like layups with his dominant hand, but there are no plans to switch his shooting hand"
Welcome to message boards.Who would go number 1 in a redraft. Ainge fleeced the sixers. I mean enough. These kids are drafted for the best part of a decade if they pan out ffs.
Ahhh....prom night.Whenever I injure my right hand and have to switch to my left, it's like a whole new experience.
I wonder if London would be so dismissive if the 76ers had flipped 1 for Tatum plus another high lotto pickWelcome to message boards.
I'm genuinely curious: if the Sixers had the #1 pick, who would you take in a redraft?Who would go number 1 in a redraft.
I'd take Fultz. I was clear on my love for him when the Celtics still had the pick. I'd consider Ball, but he's done nothing to change my views, despite being a good fit I don't think he can be a primary initiator.I'm genuinely curious: if the Sixers had the #1 pick, who would you take in a redraft?
Even if we totally discount the vastly more auspicious first month of Tatum's career, he just seems to me like a much better fit than Fultz alongside Simmons.