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I thought we should make a Yankee-specific one, to not clog the main one too much...

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a's have named their price on sonny gray from yankees. nothing said close yet.

Dan Federico‏ @RealDanFederico 47m47 minutes ago
Source: A's Assistant GM Billy Owens is in Trenton. #Yankees have had their eyes on Sonny Gray and Yonder Alonso.

Dan Federico‏ @RealDanFederico 41m41 minutes ago
Same source: the Royals have their top two scouts in Trenton, and the Dodgers top scout is there as well. Just something to keep an eye on

Matt Kardos‏Verified account @mattkardos 23s23 seconds ago
This is the heaviest scout presence that Ive seen here in Trenton this yr. Acevedo on the hill, Mateo scorching, Yanks in talks. Makes sense

Dan Federico‏ @RealDanFederico 30m30 minutes ago
Time to state the obvious. Source: "Everyone has their eyes on Mateo."
 

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Mateo has yet another double tonight, 14 XBH now in 20 games. It's only been three weeks, but he has been going nuts since being promoted to AA, and Cashman said on the radio today he has better tools overall than Torres (!). He would be a tough loss, on one hand maybe selling high, but on the other hand, he may have actually figured it out...
 

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I'm so torn on this. I really want to keep Mateo, but I'm sure Cashman just said that about him to drive his value up. I mean, Torres seems like he is the real deal already and I know he is hurt, but still.

Anyway, it'd be fantastic not just for this year, but going forward to have Gray, but trading away Mateo is terrifying.
 

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I'd be pretty upset if we dropped Mateo for Gray and Alonso. Gray is pretty awful outside of Oakland and Yonder has one half year under his belt worth talking about. He changed his swing but has slowed down after a scorching first two months.
 

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If Mateo could only play SS/2B, it would be easier to let him go, but I think like Trea Turner, he may end up being able to play CF also, which is really nice flexibility, and he may be NY's best option there for the next few years if Fowler doesn't come back at 100 percent and until Florial is ready.
 

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Inside Ken Rosenthal's latest update is this, confirmation of what I've been saying for a while about NY's insane system depth:

"The Yanks have pitchers, infielders and outfielders stacked like poker chips at a casino. The A’s can take one of each and come away with quite a deal, even if players such as outfielder Clint Frazier, infielder Gleyber Torres and left-hander Justus Sheffield are off-limits."


Thairo Estrada would be a top 10 guy in most systems, he is OPSing .775 as a 21 year old SS in AA, and can also play 2B. For NY, you never even hear about him.
 

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Miguel Andujar is a healthy scratch for the second straight game in AAA tonight, not happy about that.
 

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Well, it depends what the full deal would be for Gray, Beane and Cashman I don't think have made a deal since Ted Lilly for Jeff Weaver and I'm not sure Cashman has enough leverage this time to get Beane down to a prospect price he'd be comfortable with.

Florial as the lead prospect is tolerable (although all reports on him have been glowing this year, a five tool CF who is just starting to blossom at 19 and the most advanced prospect from the 2014 international signing spree), but I don't think they can move both him and Mateo because those two and Fowler are their potential long-term CF candidates, and no one knows how Fowler will return from that crazy injury.

Florial and one other of NY's top 15-20 guys (one of their SPs, maybe Acevedo?) and two lesser prospects I could live with, more than that might be too much IMO. Gray is good but he's not a sure thing (and he's not the best at staying healthy) and 2 1/2 years is a year less than Quintana.
 

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Also a few Yankee fans have made the good point that if Beane wants a bigger prospect load than Cashman is willing to give up, maybe he should put Sean Manaea on the table instead of Gray.
 

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A bunch of the top A's scouts have been reported in Charleston and Trenton in recent days, tonight the Trenton ones have moved to Scranton.

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Source: A's scouts who spent the last number of days in Trenton are now in Scranton. Of course, the #Yankees have been linked to Gray/Alonso

Source: "A's heavily interested in Jorge Mateo, Domingo Acevedo and Zack Littell."
 

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I could live with one of Florial/Mateo plus Acevedo and Littell, I think. That is fairly painful, so probably fair.
 

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Is Sonny Gray a difference maker for this team? This kind of trade kills me because Gray has had two full seasons in his career and his splits this year stink.

I understand trades will cost prospects but I don't see how Gray is worth a premium haul.
 

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I'd prefer holding on to one of Acevedo or Littell. I'd give up one, but not both.
Well, Gray would mean three spots in the rotation are filled long-term (him and Severino/Montgomery), give another spot to Tanaka if he doesn't opt out or Sabathia if he does, so that's four. That leaves you one for FAs like Darvish or even possibly Otani, and they'd still have Adams, Sheffield, Tate and Kaprielian with Abreu, Perez, Guzman, Schmidt and Sauer farther away.
 

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Is Sonny Gray a difference maker for this team? This kind of trade kills me because Gray has had two full seasons in his career and his splits this year stink.

I understand trades will cost prospects but I don't see how Gray is worth a premium haul.
Yeah, I think this is the big question right now and it's why I think someone else will end up with Gray.
 

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Well, Gray would mean three spots in the rotation are filled long-term (him and Severino/Montgomery), give another spot to Tanaka if he doesn't opt out or Sabathia if he does, so that's four. That leaves you one for FAs like Darvish or even possibly Otani, and they'd still have Adams, Sheffield, Tate and Kaprielian with Abreu, Perez, Guzman, Schmidt and Sauer farther away.
Rosenthal said the Yankees have prospects "stacked like poker chips" and I agree with that sentiment, I don't think it is wise to toss in a Littel to a deal just because they can. Save Littel to be used for something else if you feel like the depth is there.

And for course, you can never have too much pitching depth.
 

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Is Sonny Gray a difference maker for this team? This kind of trade kills me because Gray has had two full seasons in his career and his splits this year stink.

I understand trades will cost prospects but I don't see how Gray is worth a premium haul.
He's worth what the market dictates he's worth. Unless Verlander is truly available, Gray may be the best of the bunch so his value will be ballooned up.
 

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Rosenthal said the Yankees have prospects "stacked like poker chips" and I agree with that sentiment, I don't think it is wise to toss in a Littel to a deal just because they can. Save Littel to be used for something else if you feel like the depth is there.
It depends how good you think he will be also, he has gotten amazing results but scouts still don't seem fully convinced. The new MLB.com rankings from yesterday have Littell as NY's 13th highest ranked SP prospect (22nd overall), even behind guys we never talk about like Taylor Widener and Nolan Martinez.

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=nyy
 

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As we've seen from the Celtics, if you've got a ton of good trade chips teams are going to ask you for top guys.
We aren't disagreeing about anything except that Cashman has to decide if Gray is worth the asking price and my contention is that a top prospect isn't worth a mid-rotation guy with an unproven track record and some really poor splits. This team may not significantly improve their playoff odds with Gray.
 

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This team may not significantly improve their playoff odds with Gray.
This part I don't think is true, Gray would be replacing the Smith/Cessa spot so a lot of room for improvement there.

What I would keep an eye on is Dietrich Enns, scheduled tonight in AAA. He is already on the 40 man and if he pitches great again tonight, maybe he gets a shot next time around, and if he looks good, Gray or any other upgrade becomes less necessary.
 

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We aren't disagreeing about anything except that Cashman has to decide if Gray is worth the asking price and my contention is that a top prospect isn't worth a mid-rotation guy with an unproven track record and some really poor splits. This team may not significantly improve their playoff odds with Gray.
You're right. I'm just saying that the A's are going to ask for any system's top guys. Like Danny Ainge, Cashman is going to turn down any trade proposal that doesn't bring back a top player for those kinds of prospects.
 

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Is that Gray and Alonso or Gray or Alonso?

Alonso is another sell-high candidate for the A's.

Spoiler alert, I'm gonna hate this trade.
 

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JonAbbey will love it.

Why do you guys need Alonso? Serious question, is he a throw in or is he really that valuable to you after the recent trade for Frazier?
 

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I'm wondering if Gray would be like Leiter. Just bad luck to start his career but he'll outgrow it. Sherman wrote an article on Simms and Ewing both being labeled early, then became workhorses.

On a side not, I see Sherman wrote Cobb is a FA this year, that's a player I would love to see on the Yanks. Maybe they should hold off on giving up too much this year at the deadline if they can sign him in November.
 

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JonAbbey will love it.

Why do you guys need Alonso? Serious question, is he a throw in or is he really that valuable to you after the recent trade for Frazier?
The short answer is Headley. The real answer is that we don't need Alonso and the one great month of his career (May).
 

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Why do you guys need Alonso? Serious question, is he a throw in or is he really that valuable to you after the recent trade for Frazier?
Right now they are carrying Frazier for 3B and Headley and Cooper to platoon at 1B. If they got Alonso, he would replace Cooper and Headley would presumably join Ellsbury as pricy bench players.
 

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But would you trade for Alonso if Gray wasn't a part of it? Is a potential trade worthy on its own? Is Alonso that much of an upgrade vs cost?
 

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But would you trade for Alonso if Gray wasn't a part of it? Is a potential trade worthy on its own? Is Alonso that much of an upgrade vs cost?
No, probably not, although as always it depends on cost as he probably would be a minor upgrade.
 

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Also I haven't seen this anywhere, but I am sure that at least a small part of the reason they traded for Frazier was ticket sales for the rest of this season, same reason they kept Ichiro at least a year too long. There are around 500 people from Toms River at the game tonight, and that's not going to happen every game, but Little League Todd is a ticket draw in NY/NJ, I think.
 

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Also I haven't seen this anywhere, but I am sure that at least a small part of the reason they traded for Frazier was ticket sales for the rest of this season, same reason they kept Ichiro at least a year too long. There are around 500 people from Toms River at the game tonight, and that's not going to happen every game, but Little League Todd is a ticket draw in NY/NJ, I think.
Eh. They couldn't have really predicted that it would have any non-negligible impact to sales. Sure, it's a nice story but Toms River is pretty damn far from YS.