NYY Trade Deadline Thread

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This is why I come to a Red Sox website to discuss the Yankees. The last week of twitter is full of Yankees fans who who think they still had a shot this year. Or that Cashman didn't get "enough".

2 months of Beltran for a #4 from last year? Even if he doesn't work out, what did the Yankees give up? A few Beltran jersey sales?

These 'fans' would have been crying back in 89-92.
 

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Ben Lindbergh:
The Yankees haven't had a top-five draft pick in 25 years, but they've now traded for top-5 draft picks (Frazier/Tate) on back-to-back days.
 

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Heyman says 2 others along with Tate. Wow


I wrote that before refreshing. Same comment as Abby. Only way to describe Cashman this week
 

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Tate was the #69 overall prospect on the BA list coming into this season. He's had a bad year and fell off their midseason list, but still.
 

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Meanwhile, the Mets are stuck in neutral over the screwed up Bruce deal
 

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Now release Tex and ARod.

Of course, the Yankee fan shop will have to have a huge clearance sale for the rest of the year
 

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Meanwhile, the Mets are stuck in neutral over the screwed up Bruce deal

WTF? I thought it was done.

I don't know who's worse, the Mets at botched trades or the Orioles at rescinding contracts to free agents
 

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So if that's it, Cashman moved all three guys who would have been FAs (Chapman, Beltran, Nova) plus Miller. He can work on McCann and Gardner and whoever else in the offseason.
 

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Tate slots in at #11 in the Yankee system, he was #5 at the start of the day in the Ranger system, to give you a sense of how deep the NY system has gotten at the top (and lower down also, but not my point here).
 

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Beltran was a class act. Wish we could have had him on better teams. Both he and Mussina go down as badly timed acquisitions that I wish would have won a championship.
 

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So now that the dust has settled, and I have had time to think about these deals I think my favorite one might bet the swap of two months of Beltran for Dillon Tate.

There is so much upside there in this deal and the Yankees really gave up so little. Yeah Tate has stunk, but maybe his hamstring injury has really bothered him or he really is doing something wrong that the Yankees can fix mechanically. But stuff just doesn't disappear this quickly.
 

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So now that the dust has settled, and I have had time to think about these deals I think my favorite one might bet the swap of two months of Beltran for Dillon Tate.

There is so much upside there in this deal and the Yankees really gave up so little. Yeah Tate has stunk, but maybe his hamstring injury has really bothered him or he really is doing something wrong that the Yankees can fix mechanically. But stuff just doesn't disappear this quickly.
Gary Denbo, one of NY's main minor league guys, coached Tate on Team USA in 2014, and I'm guessing his knowing Tate was behind NY's interest in him. He had two dominant starts to start this season, then had the hamstring issues as you say and hasn't been the same guy since. Here's a somewhat in-depth piece about NY's plan to get him back on track:

https://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2016/08/how_the_yankees_hope_to_fix_pitching_prospect_dill.html
 

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Cashman today in one of the interviews he did:

"Says that they have the list from Pittsburgh and will be cross checking the Pirates "lower levels" to decide which guys to pick.

Says in the next two months they will make the choice of the two PTBNL and add "two more pieces that are legitimate prospects"."

So that's promising.
 

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Anyone care to guess who has the highest salaried starting nine tonight?

and thats without ARod cracking the line up.

Maybe Cashman & Co can stop patting themselves on the back for a second.
 

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So now that the dust has settled, and I have had time to think about these deals I think my favorite one might bet the swap of two months of Beltran for Dillon Tate.

There is so much upside there in this deal and the Yankees really gave up so little. Yeah Tate has stunk, but maybe his hamstring injury has really bothered him or he really is doing something wrong that the Yankees can fix mechanically. But stuff just doesn't disappear this quickly.
KLaw on the deal
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The Yankees' rebuild continues with a trade of Carlos Beltran to Texas for another prospect from last year's draft, pitcher Dillon Tate, whose fastball speed has decreased since he got into pro ball. The designated hitter spot has been the Rangers' least productive, with an aggregate line of .223/.305/.349 this season, so Beltran (.304/.344/.546) is an immediate upgrade there and lets the Rangers play Jurickson Profar every day in left field. It's a fairly straightforward boost for their offense without putting a huge dent in their farm system.

Tate was up to 98 mph in college with a very promising slider, and while his changeup came along this spring and the Rangers calmed down some of the superfluous elements of his delivery, his velocity has dropped badly this year. I’m not sure he can be a starter if he's pitching with only a solid-average fastball. Tate was the fourth overall pick in 2015 -- the Rangers nearly took Trenton Clark, now with Milwaukee -- so this is a big letdown given the perceived value he had out of UC Santa Barbara.

The Yankees also received Erik Swanson, an arm-strength guy who's been up to 98 but is 22 in low A and has been facing a lot of younger competition.
if he finds his fastball it's a nice pickup. If not, well...
 

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Anyone care to guess who has the highest salaried starting nine tonight?

and thats without ARod cracking the line up.

Maybe Cashman & Co can stop patting themselves on the back for a second.
They did well for themselves and it's a marked change of strategy, one they needed. Personally I think their haul is being a bit overrated here, but that's mostly because IMHO once you gets outside top 20-25 prospect rankings (which are obv not scientific, but to use as a barometer) probability starts to take a swift decline, especially when the guys are so young and in A ball, which is mostly what Cashman got. This is why i, personally, was fine with the Espinoza trade and would have been fine seeing Devers moved for the right piece.

All that being said, the Yankees had a very nice week for themselves. I find the projections of the 2019 starting lineup having just been acquired funny, but I don't think anyone really believes that anyway.
 

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Anyone care to guess who has the highest salaried starting nine tonight?

and thats without ARod cracking the line up.

Maybe Cashman & Co can stop patting themselves on the back for a second.
I'm pretty sure the impact to this year's payroll wasn't a priority. Weird criticism.
 

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They did well for themselves and it's a marked change of strategy, one they needed. Personally I think their haul is being a bit overrated here, but that's mostly because IMHO once you gets outside top 20-25 prospect rankings (which are obv not scientific, but to use as a barometer) probability starts to take a swift decline, especially when the guys are so young and in A ball, which is mostly what Cashman got. This is why i, personally, was fine with the Espinoza trade and would have been fine seeing Devers moved for the right piece.

All that being said, the Yankees had a very nice week for themselves. I find the projections of the 2019 starting lineup having just been acquired funny, but I don't think anyone really believes that anyway.
This is pretty on point for me. I'm more excited about the direction and potential than any one particular prospect. Cashman has done well with trades recently.

One thing a friend of mine and I were talking about is how often top Yankee prospects have trouble in the majors. (Banuelos, Brackman, Hughes, Jackson, Joba, Montero) Some of it has to do with the high risk high reward approach of Cashman's draft strategy but I wonder if there are issues with how we develop players.
 

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if he finds his fastball it's a nice pickup. If not, well...
If he didn't have the warts he has had this year, there is now way in hell they would have been able to get him for just two months of 40-year old.

So, if it doesn't work out, really no big deal. But if he does regain his form, than wow, what a steal.
 

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They did well for themselves and it's a marked change of strategy, one they needed. Personally I think their haul is being a bit overrated here, but that's mostly because IMHO once you gets outside top 20-25 prospect rankings (which are obv not scientific, but to use as a barometer) probability starts to take a swift decline, especially when the guys are so young and in A ball, which is mostly what Cashman got. This is why i, personally, was fine with the Espinoza trade and would have been fine seeing Devers moved for the right piece.
I hear ya, and I saw over in the Trade Deadline game thread saying that the Yankees don't have the really top end pieces that the Red Sox have (Betts, X, Moncada...) and while that very well may be true that does not mean at all that the Yankees can't build a pretty terrific core with the quantity of prospects they have now. Heck, the Royals didn't really have superstar player when they won the World Series and the same can probably be said about the Giants the year before (outside of Baumgarner's left arm).

You don't really need superstars these days to win the World Series and to be perennial contenders for it. But if you can build a very deep and productive core of talent, the Yankees will be able to build around that.

Like crow said, what is really exciting here is finally the change of direction the organization is taking.
 

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They need to fully commit to it, and they need to stick to it. The problem for NY in recent years has been that their overarching plan keeps changing, but this one now seems to have been in place for about two years, starting when they went nuts with the 2014 international signings. Keep adding young talent when possible, don't sign big contracts unless absolutely necessary (not the money as much as the loss of positional flexibility), and wait out the contracts already signed.
 

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Cashman said in a radio interview today that the two prospects they are getting from PIT for Nova will be from PIT's top 30 prospect list, they get to choose 2 from a list of 4 after the season, so they are heavily scouting those 4 now. Around 2 minutes in here for specifics:

 

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I hear ya, and I saw over in the Trade Deadline game thread saying that the Yankees don't have the really top end pieces that the Red Sox have (Betts, X, Moncada...) and while that very well may be true that does not mean at all that the Yankees can't build a pretty terrific core with the quantity of prospects they have now. Heck, the Royals didn't really have superstar player when they won the World Series and the same can probably be said about the Giants the year before (outside of Baumgarner's left arm).

You don't really need superstars these days to win the World Series and to be perennial contenders for it. But if you can build a very deep and productive core of talent, the Yankees will be able to build around that.

Like crow said, what is really exciting here is finally the change of direction the organization is taking.
I agree. While they may not be superstars there is a lot to be said for establishing a nice, strong lineup and staff that is just solid. Augment that with free agent acquisitions and a team like the Yankees, with few financial bottlenecks, will have a hard time getting out bid for any free agent
 

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Like crow said, what is really exciting here is finally the change of direction the organization is taking.
They did really well for themselves at the trade deadline. It may turn out to be the greatest haul ever or it may just be a bunch of good pieces, but there's no question they did extremely well.

Having said that, it's far more meaningful that they were allowed to do it in the first place and if I were a Yankees fan that's what I'd be celebrating.