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Only God Can Judge Judge

Discussion in 'Yankees Discussion' started by jon abbey, Jun 8, 2013.

  1. BigMike

    BigMike Dope Dope

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    It is amazing the numbers Judge will end up with given he had a 48 game stretch where he struck out 75 times, and hit 181, with a 337 SLG
     
  2. Wingack

    Wingack Yankee Mod Dope SoSH Member

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    I just think stretches like this are going to be part of the Judge experience. Some years they will last longer, some years they will be shorter, but he is going to have times where he is totally out of whack.
     
  3. Wingack

    Wingack Yankee Mod Dope SoSH Member

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    The kid did it. 50 HRs. A new MLB rookie record.
     
  4. Rough Carrigan

    Rough Carrigan reasons within Reason Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Did he move closer to the plate recently? I saw part of the yankees game the other day and it kind of struck me right way that it looked like trying to bust him inside you were very likely to hit him, where I didn't have that impression before.
     
  5. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    I hadn't heard that and watching him now, he still looks way off the plate as always to me.

    He just walked for the 120th time, alltime record for a NY RHH (breaking Willie Randolph's record, of all people).
     
  6. Mugsy's Jock

    Mugsy's Jock Longtime Member Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Wow, Randolph wound't have been in my top twenty guesses.
     
  7. crow216

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    Aaron Judge: 54 home runs in 611 ABs. Gary Sanchez: 53 home runs in 659 ABs.

    I'm excited for a full season of these guys htiting back-to-back next year.

    Edit: No pun intended for Sanchez, who likes to hit backs.
     
  8. jon abbey

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    I think I'm still hoping to see Bird in between them for the R/L/R combo, he could easily hit 30 or more if he stays healthy.
     
  9. Dahabenzapple2

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    Not to go off-topic but I wasn't that surprised it was Randolph. He was among the most underrated players of his time (or anyone else's). Lifetime 0.374 OBA and an amazing 53.6 oWAR and 19.4 dWAR.

    Marginal HOFer but was never considered - I mean this guy used to draw walks in front of a prime Don Mattingly.
     
  10. moondog80

    moondog80 heart is two sizes two small SoSH Member

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    Yes. He was sort of a Yankees version of Dwight Evans.
     
  11. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    Definitely one of my favorite players as a kid, just didn't realize he ever walked that much in a season (and it was a bit of a fluke, his next highest years were 95/94/86).

    Judge took his first curtain call ever today also after #50, pushed out of the dugout by his teammates. I'm not someone who especially values being humble but he seems to be as genuinely humble as any player in his position could possibly be.
     
  12. drbretto

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    Honestly, the biggest problem I have with Judge is that it's really, really hard to root against him. Very happy for his 50th. That is damn impressive. Kid's gonna have a hell of a career.
     
  13. Wingack

    Wingack Yankee Mod Dope SoSH Member

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    If he stays healthy, Bird would hit 35 hitting 9th in the lineup.
     
  14. Wingack

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  15. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    From ESPN:

    Players in MLB history with 50 HR and 120 BB in a season:

    Babe Ruth (4x)
    Mickey Mantle
    Mark McGwire (2x)
    Barry Bonds
    Jim Thome
    Aaron Judge
     
  16. glasspusher

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    Impressive and congrats to Judge. Elite company. So, are folks saying Thome was clean?
     
  17. Hello

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    He hit at least one home run against every AL team this season (well, except the Yankees, obviously).
     
  18. Snodgrass'Muff

    Snodgrass'Muff oppresses WARmongers Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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  19. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    And cutting it down even more:

    50 HR, 120 BB, 120 R in 1 season:

    Ruth (4x)
    Mantle
    McGwire
    Bonds
    Judge
     
  20. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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  21. mt8thsw9th

    mt8thsw9th anti-SoSHal SoSH Member

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    I'd be really interested to see Cliff Floyd's 2002 with the Red Sox, but I don't think they do in-season splits. He put up a .316/.374/.561 line over 190 ABs, but only drove in 18 runs. That would be 57 RBI over a full season's worth of ABs. He had 57 in 362 ABs with the Marlins.
     
  22. drleather2001

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    Floyd batted 5th that season for the Sox, too.
     
  23. The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa

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    That was a nifty top of the order they had going for a while. Henderson-Randolph-Mattingly-Winfield
     
  24. Hagios

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    I've always wondered if the Three True Outcomes hitters tend to feast against bad pitching and starve against good pitching. Are there splits for hitters based on whether the pitcher has an ERA+ above or below 100?
     
  25. Wingack

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    It is an interesting piece, but at the same time players like Judge create low leverage situations. It feels like there are about a dozen games this year where Judge single handedly put the game out of reach for an opposing team by making the score 5-0 by the third inning.
     
  26. Rough Carrigan

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    There are splits at baseball reference for pitchers being "power" "average" or "finesse" pitchers with power not meaning just having a great fastball but striking out a lot of guys and finesse guys having relatively few strikeouts. Judge was a bit more susceptible than average to the "power" pitchers but when you looked at the overall MLB stats, everyone does worse against them. Judge's splits were just a bit more exaggerated.
     
  27. EvilEmpire

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    Sure looks that way. That said, given that Judge, Bryant and Ramirez are each 25 years old, I think those numbers will probably improve with more experience. I think when young players enjoy so much success and get all the elevated expectations that come along with it, the pressure to produce in big situations can be a bit more impactful. I'll be curious to see what clutch numbers look like for those guys in a few years.
     
  28. terrynever

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  29. Lowrielicious

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    Good point.
    My initial thought on it would be that Judge (Bryant and Ramirez too for that matter) are so hot that they would tend to be pitched extremely carefully in "clutch" situations.
    Obviously he isn't adverse to taking a walk generally so I doubt this stat will hold up over time. Just needs to keep his patience/strikezone control in those situations.
     
  30. jon abbey

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  31. jon abbey

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    I'm trying to only post the truly impressive stats, but there are a lot of those, sorry:

    James Smyth‏ @JamesSmyth621 20m20 minutes ago

    125+ Runs 125+ BB at Age 25 or Younger

    1920 Babe Ruth (25)
    1941 Ted Williams (22)
    1942 Ted Williams (23)
    2017 Aaron Judge (25)
     
  32. jon abbey

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    With the division race over, it seems like Judge will sit tomorrow, so here are his likely final regular season numbers:

    .284/.422/.627
    52 HRs
    114 RBIs
    128 Rs
    127 BBs
    208 Ks
     
  33. DrewDawg

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    208 K’s? He sucks.
     
  34. jon abbey

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  35. BigMike

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    That just seems really amazing that the double today was the fist ground ball extra base hit of Judge's career
     
  36. jon abbey

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    From memory, he really doesn't hit many ground balls at all, lots of strikeouts and balls in the air and walks.

    Since this thread was bumped, today's amazing historic feat from our boy, most home HRs for any AL hitter since before WW II:

    [​IMG]
     
  37. jon abbey

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  38. crow216

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    His swing is not made for groundballs and its no surprise that he's in the lower percentile of groundball hitters. It's the epitome of a fly-ball era swing made to lift the ball.
     
  39. InsideTheParker

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  40. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    This was what he was dealing with the last few months of the season, with giant ice bags on his shoulder after every game. The team and Judge were both very quiet about it all along, but it seems like the timetable was that he played through it during his awful late July/August (although he was still helping the team with walks/runs scored and defense) and then got a cortisone shot (don't see this confirmed definitively anywhere) around Sept 1 and then had that crazy impressive September, so now the arthroscopic surgery is to stop it from being an issue next season.
     
  41. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    52 HRs with a bum shoulder for half the season, heh.
     
  42. EvilEmpire

    EvilEmpire Dope Staff Member Dope Gold Supporter

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  43. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    I was going to post that yesterday before MLB's response, but I figured it was tampering by Judge and didn't want to answer the understandable responses.

    Showalter had a funny line today: "I'm just glad they didn't catch Manny recruiting Judge."
     
  44. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    Fastest to 60 HRs in MLB history tonight, in his 197th game, breaking McGwire's record of 202 games. Sanchez currently has 56 in 190 games, so he has an outside shot to catch Judge still.
     
  45. brandonchristensen

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    Pretty wild. He is the most imposing hitter at the plate since Sheffield.
     
  46. tims4wins

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    Not quite, mainly because of the Ks. Gary Sheffield never struck out 100 times in a season. For his career he walked more than 300 more times than he struck out. Sheffield had 1,171 Ks in 10,947 PAs. At his current pace Judge would hit 1,171 Ks in 3,705 PAs, and if he plays to 10,947 PAs, he would amass 3,460 Ks. Reggie Jackson hold the all time record with 2,597 Ks. Judge is on pace to surpass that at 8,217 PAs
     
  47. crow216

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    His current rate, on this season, is significantly different than last season. He is at 24% so far this year compared to 30% last year.
     
  48. tims4wins

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    True. Just some fun with numbers
     
  49. brandonchristensen

    brandonchristensen mad photochops SoSH Member

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    I just mean physically. Looking at his stance and how dialed in he often looks.
     
  50. tims4wins

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    Right I hear you. But I think one of the main reasons Sheffield was so menacing was that it was so hard to get the ball by him. His bat was just lightning quick. Judge can be had, but he is more dangerous when you make a mistake.
     

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