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Maybe it's just because I'm an NBA guy and used to these sort of moves, but I love this from Cleveland's perspective. Take an asset you aren't using (cap space) and turn it into something useful. Cut Brock now or let him be a punching bag for 16 weeks. Either way you walk with a 2nd round pick for doing almost nothing.
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Can cap be rolled over in the NBA?

In the NFL it can - so there's no such thing as "unused cap space"

The only way this makes sense is if they're worried about missing those 'minimum expenditure' rules (you have to hit certain benchmarks for each 4 year period of the cba)
 
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If they trade him and his contract . . . They lose that cap spend bonus.
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I'd assume any trade would include a restructure so that Cleveland eats part of his guarantee. Otherwise what is the point?

Give him his salary, at least part, now in some form of bonus. receiving team only in hook for reduced salary.
Have to make it worth it to him though.
 
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They probably acquired him to include in a deal to Jimmy G as the Patriots' backup QB.

(ducks)
 
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How does it work for a team to eat part of a contract in NFL? I didn't realize there was a mechanism for that but I guess it's just kind of rare.
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I imagine it would look something like restructuring the contract to move some of the remaining dollars to a signing bonus, which would accelerate to the current year's cap when he's released/traded.
 
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How does it work for a team to eat part of a contract in NFL? I didn't realize there was a mechanism for that but I guess it's just kind of rare.
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I don't think it has ever really happened before - you need a guy with guaranteed salary that basically hasn't been triggered yet - so you need to be in the first year of a big deal basically.

It's an interesting deal - but what's the surplus value of a second round pick? I really doubt its $16M.

And knowing the Browns, they'll draft a guy who is out of the league in 2 years.
 
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Hoodie Sleeves said:
It's an interesting deal - but what's the surplus value of a second round pick? I really doubt its $16M.
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Yeah, but the Browns aren't just turning $16 million into a pick -- they're pushing the impact of that spend from 2017 (when they're sure to suck) to 2019 and 2020. That's a shit deal for most teams, who value present success more than future success and discount future value accordingly, but it's a sweet one for a team that's at least a year away from competing for a playoff spot, and at least two or three years from contention even in a best-case scenario.
 
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But there's no way the cash value of a pick is the same for every team. If the Pats did this it would be insane, because they're great now and that cash would help them fill out their roster. But CLE is terrible and will be for at least another year, most likely. With the cap floor that cash has to go out the door, they're probably better off spending it on someone who won't help them in order to make sure they pick as high as possible next year.
 
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Browns writer on ESPN Radio. Says same thing we've been hearing--he thinks they want picks for JG trade. Said it's only thing that makes sense.
 
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So the Browns did the Texans a huge favor and then they spent $16 million for a 2nd round pick.
Glad I'm not a Browns fan.
 
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So the Browns did the Texans a huge favor and then they spent $16 million for a 2nd round pick.
Glad I'm not a Browns fan.
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It's a good move for Cleveland. They have to spend the money by rule. This way they got a 2nd rounder out of it.
 
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It's a good move for Cleveland. They have to spend the money by rule. This way they got a 2nd rounder out of it.
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Definitely agree. They had way too much cap room they had to spend. Spend it on a future second or burn it by overpaying players that will hurt them for years to come.
 
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It's an interesting dance between Houston and Dallas.

Houston is a legitimate and scary threat with Romo if they keep him on the field. We could look back on this as Houston's Punto trade.
 
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Definitely agree. They had way too much cap room they had to spend. Spend it on a future second or burn it by overpaying players that will hurt them for years to come.
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Cleveland has to spend a certain amount. Eating BO's contract and cutting him basically ensures that:

They get a second round pick
They eat up some of their huge cap space number while not tying up the cap in future years when they might actually want to use it on a player when they're relevant.
They don't improve the team in 2017, maximizing their draft pick potential.

The Browns are in full blown, scorched-earth rebuild mode. They're willing to be horrible for the next year or two if it means building a foundation of sustainable success in the future. It's actually a brilliant move on their part.

Also, the Browns had the trade assets to get Jimmy G before this trade. The only people saying this trade is to facilitate a move for Jimmy are the people that can't wrap their head around what the Browns are actually doing.
 
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The Browns are having a nice off-season and, as a JG believer, they'll have a great one if they trade a boatload of picks for him. They'll still need WRs, but will have a good O-line and decent RBs. They'll still have a ton of picks and cap space to build the receiving corp and improve a defense that isn't good but isn't awful, either.

They'd be far from the playoffs, but moving in the right direction (granted only one way to go from the bottom).
 
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NFL.com lists the Browns draft picks the next 2 drafts

2017: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6

2018: 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7
 
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Can Houston turn around and sign Osweiler for league minimum if Cleveland just cuts him?
 
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My point is they won't trade for JG if a "Scam for Sam" is part of the rebuild strategy.
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Oh, I don't think they're trading for him anyway ... or, rather, that the Patriots are trading JG. Though I'd love to see it from an esoteric standpoint ... just to shut up Peter King
 
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The part that I'm having the hardest time with about this trade is that Bill Barnwell said that Cleveland should do it back in December:

There's also the possibility of using some of that cap space to essentially buy draft picks. I floated this as a feasible option earlier this week, but I'll spell it out a little clearer. Let's again use Brock Osweiler as an example. The Texans clearly regret signing Osweiler, who was benched this week for Tom Savage. It's possible Osweiler could improve, but the Texans would go back and erase his signing from the record if they could. Houston would surely love to dump Osweiler and use the money it would save to go after a superior quarterback such as Tony Romo or Jay Cutler this offseason, but the Texans are locked in: Osweiler is owed a $16 million guaranteed base salary in 2017, and if the Texans cut him, they would have a painful $25 million in dead money hit their cap next season. It would be a non-starter.

What the Texans could do, though, is trade Osweiler to a team who would be willing to pay his $16 million base salary. Houston would be left with a far more palatable $9 million in dead money on its 2017 cap. The problem, of course, is that nobody would want to pay Osweiler $16 million for the 2017 season unless there were dramatic incentives and no better options around. The Browns could fit both of those shoes. They've repeatedly shown how significantly they value draft picks, are willing to be patient to receive those picks and have no clear path to a starting quarterback. Osweiler has been a mess in Houston, but he looked competent in Denver during the 2015 season behind a middling offensive line. Hypothetically, the Browns could offer a seventh-round pick to the Texans in exchange for Osweiler, a 2017 third-round pick and a 2018 first-rounder. Cleveland might not want Osweiler enough to find that to be worth $16 million, and Houston might not be willing to trade away two draft picks to move on from an expensive mistake. But the logic of using short-term cap space to trade for useful draft assets is there.
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I don't know if this means Cleveland's front office is as dumb as Barnwell, or if Barnwell was temporarily possessed by clairvoyance, and either way it's troubling.
 
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Who would spend eight million in order to turn a third round choice into a fifth round one? I mean aside from the Browns.
 
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Do the Jets have a better QB option than Osweiler? Would the Jaguars be interested in bringing him in to press Bortles?

How many teams have a backup who's worse than Osweiler?

The Browns are going to have to eat more than $8mm, but unless there's a limit on how much salary they can eat, they'll find something that's better than cutting him.
 
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maufman said:
Do the Jets have a better QB option than Osweiler? Would the Jaguars be interested in bringing him in to press Bortles?

How many teams have a backup who's worse than Osweiler?

The Browns are going to have to eat more than $8mm, but unless there's a limit on how much salary they can eat, they'll find something that's better than cutting him.
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Yeah, I think if Cleveland eats a good chunk - and I agree more than half of it - someone probably would take a shot after the music stops. He looked awful in the Bill O'Brien system, but the year before he looked like a perfectly cromulent QB and one that probably should have finished the season for Denver had it not been for the Manning factor. Houston overpaid, but if you look at it like he probably wouldn't have been *worse* than Manning closing out that season, he's probably a SB winning QB and then what would he have gotten? He's owed $16M, let's say Cleveland picks up $10M and there's a mild pick swap, I think some team would take that shot if for nothing else than having him as a backup.
 
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Yeah, I think if Cleveland eats a good chunk - and I agree more than half of it - someone probably would take a shot after the music stops. He looked awful in the Bill O'Brien system, but the year before he looked like a perfectly cromulent QB and one that probably should have finished the season for Denver had it not been for the Manning factor. Houston overpaid, but if you look at it like he probably wouldn't have been *worse* than Manning closing out that season, he's probably a SB winning QB and then what would he have gotten? He's owed $16M, let's say Cleveland picks up $10M and there's a mild pick swap, I think some team would take that shot if for nothing else than having him as a backup.
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If the Browns are looking to create future value with current cash, they might agree to eat substantially all of that money to get a better pick. Not sure if league rules limit that.
 
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maufman said:
If the Browns are looking to create future value with current cash, they might agree to eat substantially all of that money to get a better pick. Not sure if league rules limit that.
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Well, yeah, that's the thing, it's kind of uncharted waters for the NFL.

But they essentially just bought a what the charts say is the last pick in the second round for $16M. They know full well, that may be the end of it - there's no guarantee they can move him, so let's assume they value that pick at $16M in monetary value. While I agree someone will give them something for him, I'm wondering if the market is there to essentially value Brock Osweiller, even at league minimum, at a second round pick level? Because essentially, that would be what it would take for Cleveland to eat the entire salary, wouldn't it?
 
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Osweiller really needs to be on the Jets at some point, doesn't he

January 1. Texans at Titans. Backup-turned-starter Tom Savage took a hit on a quarterback sneak during the first play of the second quarter and was removed for a concussion evaluation. Starter-turned-backup Brock Osweiler entered the game.

Confusion emerged during the second quarter as to whether Savage had been cleared to return to action. At halftime, Savage got the news: He was being shut down for the day.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Savage became very upset, knocking things around in the locker room and otherwise making a ruckus about having his status jeopardized by a doctor’s decision to keep him from playing. At or about the same time, coach Bill O’Brien informed Osweiler that he’d be finishing the game.

Osweiler, per the source, reacted negatively, telling O’Brien in the visiting coach’s office at Nissan Stadium in Nashville that he’s only playing Osweiler because O’Brien needs him. [Editor’s note: That’s sort of how football depth charts work.] An argument ensued, voices were raised. At one point, it’s believed that Osweiler got up to walk away and O’Brien threw out an arm to stop him. That prompted Osweiler to act as if he were being “held hostage,” a claim that he would repeat (per the source) in the days after the game.

And that was that for Osweiler in Houston. Following that incident, the team was determined to find a way to move on from him.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/12/week-17-altercation-was-last-straw-for-texans-and-osweiler/
 
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