Pablo Sandoval DFA

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Why? They're in a tight race to pick 1-1 next year, and he makes them more money than some dude from the minors.

Now if he's still on the team opening day next year, then yes, they're idiots.
Yep, there's a not zero number of dumb fans out here who are only buying tickets to game because Sandoval is back. It makes no sense to me at all.... but it's not my money either.
 

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Tank Commander Sandoval being terrible is definitely a feature, not a bug, to the Giants' front office.
 

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There's a decent chance these next few weeks are the last significant baseball Pablo plays at the mlb level for the rest of his career, right? I have to think he gets the Allen Craig treatment next year and languishes in the minors into his mid-30s before finally hanging them up.
 

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There's a decent chance these next few weeks are the last significant baseball Pablo plays at the mlb level for the rest of his career, right? I have to think he gets the Allen Craig treatment next year and languishes in the minors into his mid-30s before finally hanging them up.
Almost makes one feel bad.
 

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There's a decent chance these next few weeks are the last significant baseball Pablo plays at the mlb level for the rest of his career, right? I have to think he gets the Allen Craig treatment next year and languishes in the minors into his mid-30s before finally hanging them up.
I'm not sure that comparison works. Panda is guaranteed his money whether he plays another game or not. Craig only gets his if he accepts being in the Red Sox minor league system. One was released, the other was optioned with service time stipulations that require him to keep playing.

I kinda doubt we see him stuck around unless someone gives him a major league job.
 

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Sandoval just hit a walk off HR for the gIants!

It may have cost them the #1 pick in next years draft
 

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Tigers just lost, so both them and the Giants finish with the worst record at 64-98.

What’s the tiebreaker here?
Last year's record.
In that case, Giants were one game worse than the Tigers last year. ONE GAME!

I really wanted this to happen, just so I could laugh about it on Facebook.
Isn't it previous year's record? Which would mean the Tigers (86 wins in '16) would pick before the Giants (87 wins).
MLB Pipeline‏Verified account @MLBPipeline 2m2 minutes ago

With their loss to the #MNTwins, the #Tigers secure the No. 1 overall pick in the 2018 @MLBDraft, the 2nd time they've picked first (1997).


So yes, Sandoval cost the giants the #1 overall pick
 

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Yeah.....this is just amazingly unfortunate. I live in SF and I can't believe that they blew the #1 pick. The Giants were awful this year, but leave it to Panda to get a meaningless hit just to hurt the team.
 

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Ha ha ha ha ha. Serves them right for putting him on their ML roster.
 

JimD

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The Red Sox players should vote Sandoval a playoff share ... and then give it to Devers.
 

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Yeah.....this is just amazingly unfortunate. I live in SF and I can't believe that they blew the #1 pick. The Giants were awful this year, but leave it to Panda to get a meaningless hit just to hurt the team.
What, you think you would have even been close without him?
 

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While it's hilarious that Panda cost them the #1 pick, it's a lot less meaningful in baseball than it is in football or basketball. The baseball draft is more of a crapshoot, given the long development times and high risk of injury to all pitching prospects.
 

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It also doesn't look like an amazing draft class, so you're probably not missing out on the next Harper anyway. Plus the likely best talent, Kumar Rocker, is a high school RHP and may well drop from 1-1 for that fact alone.
 

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While it's hilarious that Panda cost them the #1 pick, it's a lot less meaningful in baseball than it is in football or basketball. The baseball draft is more of a crapshoot, given the long development times and high risk of injury to all pitching prospects.
True. The last time the Tigers had the worst record in MLB was 2003...the season they lost 119 games. But by virtue of the system at the time, in which the leagues alternated who got the #1 pick (worst in the NL one year, worst in the AL the next), the Tigers picked second in the 2004 draft. The Padres took Matt Bush with the #1 pick, and the Tigers had to settle for some guy named Justin Verlander with the #2 pick.

I'm sure the Giants will survive with the second pick.
 

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Kielty's will always be the ultimate. The guy got one WS plate appearance in his career, saw one pitch in that PA and hit it out of the park for what turned out to be the deciding run in the final game of the Series.

I heard recently (from a family member of his) that he was voted out of a playoff share that year and was always bitter to the Sox about it afterwards. I haven't been able to find confirmation of that on-line - can anyone else?
 

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Kielty's will always be the ultimate. The guy got one WS plate appearance in his career, saw one pitch in that PA and hit it out of the park for what turned out to be the deciding run in the final game of the Series.

I heard recently (from a family member of his) that he was voted out of a playoff share that year and was always bitter to the Sox about it afterwards. I haven't been able to find confirmation of that on-line - can anyone else?
That’s almost inconceivable and I hope it’s not true. What a great moment.

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It also doesn't look like an amazing draft class, so you're probably not missing out on the next Harper anyway. Plus the likely best talent, Kumar Rocker, is a high school RHP and may well drop from 1-1 for that fact alone.
That is a hall of fame worthy name. He deserves to be top pick just because of that.
 

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Kielty's will always be the ultimate. The guy got one WS plate appearance in his career, saw one pitch in that PA and hit it out of the park for what turned out to be the deciding run in the final game of the Series.

I heard recently (from a family member of his) that he was voted out of a playoff share that year and was always bitter to the Sox about it afterwards. I haven't been able to find confirmation of that on-line - can anyone else?
I’m confused by this. I thought voting for playoff shares was for players or staff who contributed but didn’t make the final roster. Kielty was on the roster, he hit the key homerun. Why does he even need to get voted on?
 

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Kielty's will always be the ultimate. The guy got one WS plate appearance in his career, saw one pitch in that PA and hit it out of the park for what turned out to be the deciding run in the final game of the Series.

I heard recently (from a family member of his) that he was voted out of a playoff share that year and was always bitter to the Sox about it afterwards. I haven't been able to find confirmation of that on-line - can anyone else?
I couldn't find anything, and that includes reading a length article about how messed up some of the votes can be, and little bits about who has been screwed over, or which votes went to someone who you might not have expected . It doesn't make any sense. I can't imagine something like that happening at all, and if it did, I really can't see any way word about it doesn't get out. I'd have to guess the family member was confused about something else.
 

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I’m confused by this. I thought voting for playoff shares was for players or staff who contributed but didn’t make the final roster. Kielty was on the roster, he hit the key homerun. Why does he even need to get voted on?
The players vote on shares. Period. There are no rules. A guy who was only with the team for 5 weeks might not get a full share regardless of his WS rostering or performance. In fact, I thought playoff share voting took place before the playoffs, with the only blank to be filled in being the amount of playoff money to divide.
I recall reading that the 2004 team, at Schilling's urging, gave full playoff shares -- or at least bigger-than-the-usual-"cash award" -- to much of the non-playing personnel, like clubhouse attendants and the like.
 

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I saw an article that said the Sox were very generous with playoff shares that year. I can't believe he was left out entirely.

From ESPN: The Red Sox voted 47 full shares,14 partial shares, and 11 cash awards.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=3128178
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Red Sox manager Terry Francona was pleased with how his players divided the winnings after the team's second championship in four seasons.

"It doesn't surprise me," he said. "You do this for a living and the money. But for the clubhouse guys or parking-lot guys, if they voted that many I'm proud of them."


And Kielty resigned with the Sox for 2008, so he wasn't too bitter.
http://archive.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/02/06/sox_re_sign_kielty_to_one_year_deal/
Kielty's deal does not assure him of a spot on the major league roster. He agreed to a one-year, nonguaranteed deal for $800,000, with incentives worth an additional $300,000. He said he had similar nonroster offers from other clubs, but was willing to wait for the Sox.
If he was voted out a share, it strikes me as odd he'd wait for the Sox when he had the same offers elsewhere.
 

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True. The last time the Tigers had the worst record in MLB was 2003...the season they lost 119 games. But by virtue of the system at the time, in which the leagues alternated who got the #1 pick (worst in the NL one year, worst in the AL the next), the Tigers picked second in the 2004 draft. The Padres took Matt Bush with the #1 pick, and the Tigers had to settle for some guy named Justin Verlander with the #2 pick.

I'm sure the Giants will survive with the second pick.
It's not that big of a deal really, but it does recuse their draft signings pool by ~$500K, which is probably more impactful than losing one slot in a draft that doesn't have a true stud 1-1.
 

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I am guessing Holt will be activated and will get the majority of bats at third and Lin will become the super utility person. Or will Holt stay the super utility person and Lin will get the majority of bats?
Don't forget Devers.
 

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If they need to dump stock, they should try a big sale in advance of April fools next spring.
 

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Are you making this comment based on the linked article and if so why? He didn't tweet the sack of shit comment that is in the article. If it's for past comments about Sandoval, which probably included something along those lines or worse, then carry on.
You know what, you’re right. My fault. I thought he was the one that called Sandoval a SoS. My bad. I shouldn’t post before going to bed.

Carry on.
 

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You know what, you’re right. My fault. I thought he was the one that called Sandoval a SoS. My bad. I shouldn’t post before going to bed.

Carry on.
Well, he could have ignored it rather than giving it play by responding to it, and it would have just faded into the ether, so that's on him. Sandoval was horrendously bad as a player here, but I'm not sure what would classify him as a "sack of shit".
 

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When I saw this, I thought he was DFA'd a second time. Out of curiosity, do the Sox get any relief if that happens?
The only relief they get is a credit for whatever salary Sandoval earns from another team over the remainder of his Red Sox contract. So they got credited for his (pro-rated) league minimum salary in San Francisco this year, and will again should he stick with the Giants in 2018. In essence, the Giants are paying the Red Sox rather than Sandoval (since he's getting all that money from the Sox already).
 

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If you read the article, you learn that the order was due in May 2017, before he was DFA

Edit: of course, that still doesn't explain why he was chosen to begin with
 

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I do like the brand managers quote "it was not a mistake". Sorry, it was a mistake even without the benefit of hindsight. Even with a May deadline they should have considered that there as very high likelihood that he was either done or just a bench player in 2018. ERod would have been the obvious choice for the final spot. Leon or Vasquez would have been better choices.