Patriots Sign Stephon Gilmore
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Hefty
I'd rather give the $ to Butler
Better than Ryan I suppose. Won't be happy if this causes us to lose Butler
I'd rather give the $ to Butler
Better than Ryan I suppose. Won't be happy if this causes us to lose Butler
Wonder how that impacts the Butler situation. If Gilmore is getting $14 mm year (which is kind of shocking), then what is Butler ultimately in line for?
Hate to say it, but it seems like this opens the door for a team to offer Butler a hefty contract that would not be matched
Don't be surprised with price tags anymore. In a world where Chandler Jones is getting $50 million guaranteed, the money is flowing.
Is it? They're likely losing Logan Ryan and Gilmore is good.
EDIT: Never mind, you were speaking to numbers not positional need.
With Giardi saying today that contract talks with Butler were brief I think this is locking up a solid CB for the eventual departure of Butler.
A CB will definitely be drafted IMO
A CB will definitely be drafted IMO
Holy cow, that's a ton of dough for a dude that seemed to regress pretty heavily last year. Maybe they feel it was a scheme issue, although he played in Rex's defense in 2015 when he had his breakout year.
Just checked, that's top 3 CB money. Patrick Peterson money.
I won't believe the numbers until I see them. If it's 14 mil/yr I'd like to think the Pats are smart enough for that to be the max he can make with incentives.
http://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/11/why-bills-cb-stephon-gilmore-wasnt-as-bad-as-you-thought-in-2016/
In the games mentioned:
Brown: 5/78 (40 on one play)
Cooper: 4/59 (37 on one play)
Pryor: 4/19
He's got a 1st round tender, which means any offer sheet he gets has to be high enough that the Pats won't match, plus the offering team has to give up a 1st rounder. I honestly don't see that happening, but it is silly season so who knows.
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Source says Pats jumped in on Gilmore this morning. Wonder why?
Source says Pats jumped in on Gilmore this morning. Wonder why?
Logan Ryan probably came back with a similar number and they showed him the way back to Route 1.
I feel much better about the secondary now. I was terrified of losing Ryan and not really replacing him only to have Cyrus Jones be the plan.
I think this is more of them seeing the corner market develop. Probably hearing what Logan is going to get. Rather than them anticipating someone making a offer on butler.
Or maybe butler is going to NO for Cooks.
I know offseason dollars never correlate directly with wins, but I have to admit it still gets me excited when they go out and splurge a bit
Then I remember Adalius Thomas.
Then I remember Adalius Thomas.
But what if Butler will accept a somewhat reduced deal compared to what Gillmore got? That might make a team justify the 1st round pick. And for Butler, the incentive is more money this coming year, and financial security now because it's the NFL and who know what can happen? The big question, of course, is how much of a reduced deal, but I can see there being a point where it makes sense for all parties.
Good point on Ryan. If there's a possibility he is going to make somewhere between 10-12 than I absolutely give Gilmore 14.
Right.
Sometimes I think that the initial reporting on the $$$ -- here, "$14M per year" -- is about as meaningful as a team's record in preseason games. While I'm sure there's some measure of math through which it's accurate, we can be sure that if its the number floated by the player or agent, that it's the maximum possible interpretation and doesn't reflect the actual salary, guarantees or cap hits, because these initial numbers never do. So while actually getting him has an impact on other players (whether the team needs them anymore), I think speculating on "what this means for Butler's (or anyone else's) contract," is a fool's errand at this point.
I think the patriots view Gilmore as a better player than Butler to be honest. He's definitely more of a playmaker. Are they really going to pay two corners a combined 30 mill. I doubt butler turned down 13-14 mill a year.
Yeah, Thomas was really good in 07, pretty good in 08 until he got hurt and then mediocre / bad (and a bad locker room influence) in 09. At that point he was 32 so it wasn't a huge surprise and I can't find the numbers but I think they were able to just cut him with little damage to the cap.
Anything goes differently in 07 (he probably drew about 5 uncalled holds in the Super Bowl) and if he and Brady don't get hurt in 08, and we're likely looking back fondly on a key guy for two championships and not really caring about 09.
With Gilmore the 14m number sounds big but who knows how the contract actually works out and in the short term they definitely have the money. I wanted them to get Campbell but I'm glad they are spending a little.
Anything goes differently in 07 (he probably drew about 5 uncalled holds in the Super Bowl) and if he and Brady don't get hurt in 08, and we're likely looking back fondly on a key guy for two championships and not really caring about 09.
With Gilmore the 14m number sounds big but who knows how the contract actually works out and in the short term they definitely have the money. I wanted them to get Campbell but I'm glad they are spending a little.
Making less than 4 mill this year and by all accounts he wasn't asking for the moon, I'd have to say absolutely.
If it's as deep as they say, the can get a solid 3rd TE and solid 3rd CB in the later rounds, or maybe even UDFA. A rookie learning from Butler and Gilmore could be up to speed very quickly
Gilmore is a true shutdown corner. The idea of rolling into next season with Butler and Gilmore maning the two outside corner positions is really exciting.
It's early here in Denver, so I may not be thinking clearly - but wouldn't this indicate that they're going to let Butler walk? I cannot imagine the Patriots paying $14m+ per year to two corners, and if Gilmore demands $14m per, what is Butler worth? $16m? $18m?
Just don't see them paying $30m to two players at the same position. This smells like Butler replacement to me, with Cyrus being the #2, or a corner being drafted high to go beside Gilmore.
But I'd be more than happy to be wrong.
Just don't see them paying $30m to two players at the same position. This smells like Butler replacement to me, with Cyrus being the #2, or a corner being drafted high to go beside Gilmore.
But I'd be more than happy to be wrong.
I understand, but maybe someone has and they view a possible 1st round pick, plus Gilmore, as equal or greater value than having Butler back?
