The 49ers are trading OT Trent Brown and pick number 143 overall to the Patriots in exchange for pick number 95 overall, sources tell @AdamSchefter and me. The deal is pending a physical.
Pats trade for OT Trent Brown and #143 pick from Niners for #95 pick
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The 49ers are trading OT Trent Brown and pick number 143 overall to the Patriots in exchange for pick number 95 overall, sources tell @AdamSchefter and me. The deal is pending a physical.
Pats have no picks between 65 (end of R2) and 143 (top of R5) right now. Unless they trade back in R2, you just got some time freed up this weekend.
Just chill and tell anyone chatting up draft stuff that based on your info, you've got Wynn projecting to the interior part of the line.
So if we do the math JG + 3rd rounder for a 2nd rounder and OT and a 5th.
Can someone solve for X?
Can someone solve for X?
Line is a big enough concern that I would've been fine with them using one of tonight's picks on another lineman. I can stomach the tradeoffs here (1 year deal, red flags from 2017) for picking up an extra pick.
They clearly wanted a lineman who could enlighten Tom about Jimmy G's methods. Or they wanted to corner the market on linemen recovering from labrum surgery.
Those lame or non-existent yucks out of the way, does anyone who watched the Niners over the last three years have any views on Brown?
This is about all I know about him:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/10616/trent-brown
Those lame or non-existent yucks out of the way, does anyone who watched the Niners over the last three years have any views on Brown?
This is about all I know about him:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/10616/trent-brown
No idea, but it seems like bad news for Garcia and / or one of the young interior guys.
My guess is Brown at RT, Cannon is your new LT, Wynn replaces Thuney at LG and Mason and Andrews stay. When Mason leaves, who knows what shuffles or maybe he re-signs.
Was Thuney a problem for this team?
It feels like they're filling several holes they didn't have, and not filling the gaping hole at LB that they do have.
It feels like they're filling several holes they didn't have, and not filling the gaping hole at LB that they do have.
I'm OK with getting multiple guys, throwing them all in the mix and picking the best 5 for next season. Several guys can play multiple positions and its possible they just haven't based on who they've lined up beside in the past. This dude has played RT, but who would he have had to beat out at LT the past several years (lazy Friday, not looking it up)?
Gonna be interesting to see this shake out.
Gonna be interesting to see this shake out.
From a 49ers fan: Brown is an impressive physical specimen, huge (6'8", 350+) and athletic. He's only played RT for the Niners because they have Joe Staley at LT. Brown has had issues staying healthy and there have been some questions about his work ethic, conditioning, and weight. The Niners made him expendable by drafting McGlinchy last night.
Not sure who will man LT next year, Brown or Cannon, but Wynn seems primed to move to the interior and be the swing tackle, which with Cannon's injury history is a pretty important role. Thuney was projected pre-draft to be a center and he practiced at center when Andrews was hurt before the Mexico City game, but Karras got that start and the subsequent start vs Miami. It might be a case of the Patriots were better with Thuney at G and Karras at Center than vice versa. Regardless, it would behoove Thuney to practice his snaps this off season. Wynn could also be a replacement for Shaq Mason's departure after his contract is up after next season. Some are projecting a big payday for Mason. Not sure Andrews gets pushed out of Center, he did just sign an extension, that is basically robbery on the part of the Pats.
Do we see one if the incumbents moved after this? Seems like too many bodies... Brown-Thuney-Andrews-Mason-Cannon then leaves Waddle, Wynn, Garcia, and Croston as reserves. I’d guess one of Mason or Thuney is on the move...
So, they effectively used their third round pick on him.
They got a high sixth round pick back, but to me the value in that is essentially wiped out by tacking on 1.4 million to the cap this year (Brown’s cap hit minus the average first year for a rookie third rounder) and getting only one year of control versus 4 if they had drafted a rookie.
I don’t watch the 49ers so I don’t know Brown, but, man, the Patriots don’t seem to value a third round pick very much if they are willing to give one away for an injured one-year rental that tacks $1.4 million onto the cap in a year where they don’t have a ton of room.
Also, that’s three of the five good picks so far used on offense. Maybe the idea is to just let the other team score every time and beat them with two point conversions?
They got a high sixth round pick back, but to me the value in that is essentially wiped out by tacking on 1.4 million to the cap this year (Brown’s cap hit minus the average first year for a rookie third rounder) and getting only one year of control versus 4 if they had drafted a rookie.
I don’t watch the 49ers so I don’t know Brown, but, man, the Patriots don’t seem to value a third round pick very much if they are willing to give one away for an injured one-year rental that tacks $1.4 million onto the cap in a year where they don’t have a ton of room.
Also, that’s three of the five good picks so far used on offense. Maybe the idea is to just let the other team score every time and beat them with two point conversions?
He always got rave reviews from Niners writers for his play - there were huge expectations coming into last year. Then the dude got hurt and a lot of rumors circulated that it was something the team felt that he should have played through. Assuming it's just a motivation issue that BB can fix, this is probably a steal because the guy is capable of being a monster when he's engaged.
Or maybe we now trade Shaq Mason for a pick today since we don't want to pay him next year. Seems like we have a ton of options on the inside.
Not sure if it was available to us, but I would have liked to do the trade the Eagles pulled off right after us at #32 w the Ravens so they could get Lamar Jax - they got #52, #125, and a second next year for #32 and 132.
Not sure if it was available to us, but I would have liked to do the trade the Eagles pulled off right after us at #32 w the Ravens so they could get Lamar Jax - they got #52, #125, and a second next year for #32 and 132.
It probably wasn't because if the Ravens knew NE was open to dealing the pick then they would likely gamble they weren't *really* going to take a QB.
He's going to be fine for camp. It was an ankle injury he had played through previously but it got to be too much for him so they pulled the plug to get him right for 2018.
ESPN article mentions that Brown flew to Foxboro yesterday to be examined by team doctors. They'll get a good look at the shoulder and get a chance to talk to him in person.
This is a promising report.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/10616/trent-brown
PS: That Brown's contract expires after this season is definitely a reason to pick a lineman to replace him. But, then again, if the Pats had someone at RT who graded that highly at $1.9 mm, I'd prefer they tried to re-sign him because he's so valuable and because the draft slot could be otherwise used on a need. Perhaps the Niners have tried to do that with Brown without a lot of success.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/10616/trent-brown
It makes me wonder a bit about why they drafted McGlinchey at 9. Even if you discount those numbers somewhat, the Niners already had a top OL (and more accurately, two top tackles). It suggests that they may be more concerned about Brown's injury or make-up than the Pats are. Still, it's a bit perplexing.
PS: That Brown's contract expires after this season is definitely a reason to pick a lineman to replace him. But, then again, if the Pats had someone at RT who graded that highly at $1.9 mm, I'd prefer they tried to re-sign him because he's so valuable and because the draft slot could be otherwise used on a need. Perhaps the Niners have tried to do that with Brown without a lot of success.
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Pretty high praise for Trent Brown from Von Miller: https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Von-Miller-on-49ers-Trent-Brown-He-s-the-11824784.php
Mason is more likely than Cannon. Cannon carries $8.2 million in dead money if he's traded or cut.
I know it's hard to believe, but maybe BB thinks the defense will be fine with players returning from injury - Hightower, Rivers, Cyrus Jones, McClellin, Valentine - and young guys/new guys getting more experience. I dont think it's that much of a stretch. Not more of a stretch then expecting two late first round draft picks to transform the defense, anyway.
You edited after I went to quote. Impressive.
Yes, I think the contract is a big deal. We may have just seen the same thing play out with Mason/Wynn.
Would much rather keep Mason and give Brady the best possible line. And then let him walk and get the compensatory pick. Trading him for a 4th this year would really annoy me.
Cannon is a 28-year old top 5 RT with 4 well-below-market years left on his deal. No way in hell do you trade that for a 4th. I wouldn’t trade it for a pick outside the top 20 in the entire draft.
Mason? Makes a hell of a lot more sense, but even then a 4th seems low. You’re probably going to get a 3rd round comp pick when he leaves anyway, so why not use him? Would have to be a second imo.
Roster building and future cost control. They might be concerned with Brown, but they might also think that 5 years of a McGlinchey on rookie contract and a third round pick was a better long term investment in protecting Jimmy G and roster construction than one year of Brown and a fifth round pick. If Brown returns to form, he's going to command a pretty penny in free agency and the 49ers might not want to pay that bill. McGlinchey is coming from studying at the Harry Hand school of o-line and Hand has an impressive track record, so it would not be surprising to see McGlinchey to become an elite Tackle sooner rather than later. The jump from fifth round to third round and savings over Brown's first big free agency contract are a pretty big incentives to make the move.
I’m not convinced trading Mason is necessary, never mind desirable. There is no real cost to keeping him this year.
Yeah but... they REALLY need some draft picks for the defense.
Probably pretty obvious, but I think this signals nobody's counting on Garcia this season.
Yeah, I would agree on this; moving Thuney to the main interior back-up, letting Karras, Bowanko, King, Ferentz, a couple UDFAs and whatever lower round draft pick fight for a bottom of the depth chart interior roster spots and making the Jelks, Tolban and Croston, UDFAs, etc fight for one or two roster spots and starting Garcia on the NFI list might be the safer way to go. They might also cut Garcia, it wouldn't be the first time BB has cut a third rounder after a year. Garcia doesn't even have a profile on the Pats webpage.
I'd be surprised if they dealt Mason or Cannon - particularly Cannon. Right now, they have the OL in great position. Brown allows them time and some security to evaluate Garcia and Wynn as LT's. Without Brown, if both of those two crap out, we're in semi-desperation mode and that's never the time to propose a deal.
Wynn's versatility gives them potentially a great back up they can plug in when the inevitable injury hits. I think they've locked up the OL for the year and can focus elsewhere with a good deal of confidence that that unit's sewn up. That's big.
Wynn's versatility gives them potentially a great back up they can plug in when the inevitable injury hits. I think they've locked up the OL for the year and can focus elsewhere with a good deal of confidence that that unit's sewn up. That's big.
Agree 100% on Garcia. I think he’s basically redshirting this year. I figure either 43 or 65 (or both) will be dealt for additional mid round picks.
Following this Brown trade that includes some picks.... Maybe they trade down from #43 to later in the round, picking up an additional pick in the process (maybe 4th round). Use that on Lauretta or Rudolph. And then they trade the #63 for a 3rd and 5th rounder. That would give them a third, a fourth, a couple of fifths, a couple of sixths, and a seventh. And spend basically all of them on defense.
