Pats trade for OT Trent Brown and #143 pick from Niners for #95 pick

[scott bankheadcase]

Brown is an excellent (when healthy) pass blocking RT. Excellent. He is not very good at run blocking, and really not very good at run blocking in a Shanahan OL has to move a ton system.

If you're looking to protect Brady though, he's a steal if he comes back from the shoulder issue.

 

[Mooch]

Kyle Shanahan with huge praise of Trent Brown: “He’s the best pass protection tackle I’ve ever seen in my life.” But he also said that he's inconsistent. Get him some time with Scar. I think this is a GREAT trade for the Pats.

 

[moondog80]

Kyle Shanahan with huge praise of Trent Brown: “He’s the best pass protection tackle I’ve ever seen in my life.” But he also said that he's inconsistent. Get him some time with Scar. I think this is a GREAT trade for the Pats.

And yet he traded him for the equivalent of a Day 3 draft pick.

 

[BaseballJones]

From a talent standpoint, yeah it's a great trade. The problem is that Brown is an RFA - CORRECTION, UFA (thanks tims4wins) - after 2018 so he's gonna cost a fortune to keep in 2019 and beyond. Is that how and where the Pats want to spend big $$? Maybe. But they just let Solder go when he got to expensive. Granted, he's older than Brown will be but still.

 

[BigSoxFan]

From a talent standpoint, yeah it's a great trade. The problem is that Brown is an RFA after 2018 so he's gonna cost a fortune to keep in 2019 and beyond. Is that how and where the Pats want to spend big $$? Maybe. But they just let Solder go when he got to expensive. Granted, he's older than Brown will be but still.

Lots of time to figure this out but, at a minimum, they have a real prospect at the position who will be very motivated to perform.

 

[Mooch]

And yet he traded him for the equivalent of a Day 3 draft pick.

I think the issue may be scheme related. Shanahan runs a lot of zone running plays and he may be better suited in the Pats man scheme.

 

[tims4wins]

From a talent standpoint, yeah it's a great trade. The problem is that Brown is an RFA after 2018 so he's gonna cost a fortune to keep in 2019 and beyond. Is that how and where the Pats want to spend big $$? Maybe. But they just let Solder go when he got to expensive. Granted, he's older than Brown will be but still.

RFA or UFA? Think he is a UFA

 

[bakahump]

Motivation may come in the form of make good for the pats and make alot of money.

Its easier to be disgruntled when you have another year. When your going to be a FA you better produce.

 

[Royal Reader]

Gap between the two picks is roughly equivalent to pick #104 per the JJ chart. Happy enough with that, obvious caveats about the need for defensive players aside.

 

[Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt]

Is this one of those situations where we get Brown, play him for a year, then he signs for big $$$ elsewhere and we got a good comp pick equivalent to what we gave up to get him?

 

[tims4wins]

Is this one of those situations where we get Brown, play him for a year, then he signs for big $$$ elsewhere and we got a good comp pick equivalent to what we gave up to get him?

Bingo

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Is this one of those situations where we get Brown, play him for a year, then he signs for big $$$ elsewhere and we got a good comp pick equivalent to what we gave up to get him?

Yet people think the Pats are going to dump Shaq Mason this year, for a mid round pick because he's going to want huge money next year.

 

[Captaincoop]

Motivation may come in the form of make good for the pats and make alot of money.

Its easier to be disgruntled when you have another year. When your going to be a FA you better produce.

If Scar can get him gruntled, look out.

 

[TheoShmeo]

From a talent standpoint, yeah it's a great trade. The problem is that Brown is an RFA - CORRECTION, UFA (thanks tims4wins) - after 2018 so he's gonna cost a fortune to keep in 2019 and beyond. Is that how and where the Pats want to spend big $$? Maybe. But they just let Solder go when he got to expensive. Granted, he's older than Brown will be but still.

Solder is a full five years older (30-25). And Brown graded out higher last year via PFF (whatever that is really worth). My point is that I think the age difference may go a long way to explaining the difference in approaches. Maybe giving a large contract to a guy five years younger is more palatable.

 

[mulluysavage]

Could this be like the Jonathan Cooper trade? Not in the sense of the return they got, but rather- rolling the dice on their injury history, because of their high upside, coming into a season where they need to figure out the line, and the plan is to start out with a surplus of talent?

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Love this deal. He should bet us a good comp pick next year. And stressing about having more than five capable OL is like wondering how you’re going to deal with having more than five capable starting pitchers. Unless you win the OL health lottery, you’re going to need the depth.

 

[Reverend]

I know it's hard to believe, but maybe BB thinks the defense will be fine with players returning from injury - Hightower, Rivers, Cyrus Jones, McClellin, Valentine - and young guys/new guys getting more experience. I dont think it's that much of a stretch. Not more of a stretch then expecting two late first round draft picks to transform the defense, anyway.

Watching this year's Red Sox team hit could be instructive in this regard.

 

[Reverend]

Love this deal. He should bet us a good comp pick next year. And stressing about having more than five capable OL is like wondering how you’re going to deal with having more than five capable starting pitchers. Unless you win the OL health lottery, you’re going to need the depth.

Yeah, as the saying goes, these kind of roster crunches have a way of working themselves out.

 

[BaseballJones]

Obviously 2 more days of drafting, then UDFAs, more trades, etc., to go but.....

QB - Brady, Hoyer
RB - Michel, Burkhead, White, Gillislee, Hill, Bolden, Develin
WR - Edelman, Matthews, Hogan, Dorsett, Britt, Mitchell, McCarron, Slater, Hollister, Patterson
TE - Gronk, Allen, Hollister, Niklas, Tye
OL - Andrews, Bowanko, Karras, King, Mason, Thuney, Wynn, Ferentz, Brown, Cannon, Croston, Garcia, Jelks, John, Tobin, Waddle

DL - Clayborn, Davis, Flowers, Grissom, Guy, Lee, Rivers, Wise, Brown, Shelton, Butler, Valentine
LB - Hightower, Van Noy, Flowers, Langi, Grisgby, Roberts
CB - Gilmore, McCourty, Rowe, JJones, CJones, Lewis, Wiltz
S - Chung, Ebner, McCourty, Harmon, King, Richards

When I look at this roster, I see a need still for, in no particular order:

- Next QB after Brady
- Speed and depth at LB
- Youth at S
- One more pass rusher
- Maybe another corner, though if JJones develops like I hope he does, that would give them four pretty decent corners (well, one great one in Gilmore and then three pretty decent other ones). Would be great to have another stud at that position, but that's not likely at this point.

They're really good at RB, OL, WR, and TE. The top 3 safeties are excellent. If Hightower and Van Noy were going to be healthy, they'd be in good shape there for the most part, but there's definitely a need there. I like the defensive line guys but could always use more.

This is, right now, with good health, a very, very good roster.

 

[Reggie's Racquet]

Love this deal. He should bet us a good comp pick next year. And stressing about having more than five capable OL is like wondering how you’re going to deal with having more than five capable starting pitchers. Unless you win the OL health lottery, you’re going to need the depth.

...or five beautiful and capable girlfriends. It’s a nice problem to have.

 

[Soxy]

I’m not convinced trading Mason is necessary, never mind desirable. There is no real cost to keeping him this year.

I don't get it either. He was probably their best o-lineman last season and was playing at a Pro Bowl caliber level. We should be figuring out how to re-sign him, not find ways to ship him out of town. And he's a guard, so his next contract won't be as expensive as, say, Solder's.

I suppose it's possible Mason drives a hard bargain but it would take a pretty juicy return to offset losing a year of his play, plus the comp pick we'd end up getting if he left as a FA.

 

[Pandemonium67]

Yeah, no way do I want to let Shaq go. I want the Pats to use their newly upgraded OL and shiny new RB, plus Gronk and Allen, to pound the hell out of people. This O is gonna give us orgasms.

Add a couple of impact defenders to cover quick RBs and rush the passer, and we're good to go.

 

[Kull]

Trading JG meant the Pats were going all-in on "older Tom". And that means they have to do everything possible to keep him healthy and extend his playing life. If that's your strategy, you can't let defenses continue to tee off on Brady like we've seen over the past few years, and this trade and the two first rounders is proof positive that they want a dominant o-line. To include a legitimate 3-down back who keeps defenses guessing. In that context it might seem strange they let Solder walk, but they clearly had a plan to replace him at a much lower cost. This also means Shaq Mason isn't going to be traded.

 

[Marciano490]

I know some teams like the Eagles have done well rotating their defensive line. Would that be advantageous with an O line?

 

[Harry Hooper]

I know some teams like the Eagles have done well rotating their defensive line. Would that be advantageous with an O line?

That was DeGuglielmo's approach in 2015. It didn't end well in the AFCCG in Denver.

 

[Marciano490]

That was DeGuglielmo's approach in 2015. It didn't end well in the AFCCG in Denver.

I assume it’s like closer by committee where you need the personnel though.

 

[mcpickl]

Obviously 2 more days of drafting, then UDFAs, more trades, etc., to go but.....

QB - Brady, Hoyer
RB - Michel, Burkhead, White, Gillislee, Hill, Bolden, Develin
WR - Edelman, Matthews, Hogan, Dorsett, Britt, Mitchell, McCarron, Slater, Hollister, Patterson
TE - Gronk, Allen, Hollister, Niklas, Tye
OL - Andrews, Bowanko, Karras, King, Mason, Thuney, Wynn, Ferentz, Brown, Cannon, Croston, Garcia, Jelks, John, Tobin, Waddle

DL - Clayborn, Davis, Flowers, Grissom, Guy, Lee, Rivers, Wise, Brown, Shelton, Butler, Valentine
LB - Hightower, Van Noy, Flowers, Langi, Grisgby, Roberts
CB - Gilmore, McCourty, Rowe, JJones, CJones, Lewis, Wiltz
S - Chung, Ebner, McCourty, Harmon, King, Richards

When I look at this roster, I see a need still for, in no particular order:

- Next QB after Brady
- Speed and depth at LB
- Youth at S
- One more pass rusher
- Maybe another corner, though if JJones develops like I hope he does, that would give them four pretty decent corners (well, one great one in Gilmore and then three pretty decent other ones). Would be great to have another stud at that position, but that's not likely at this point.

They're really good at RB, OL, WR, and TE. The top 3 safeties are excellent. If Hightower and Van Noy were going to be healthy, they'd be in good shape there for the most part, but there's definitely a need there. I like the defensive line guys but could always use more.

This is, right now, with good health, a very, very good roster.

Are they good at TE?

It's a guy who was waffling on playing this year and four guys who are as likely to not make the team as they are to be a plus player.

I could easily see room for a TE on this roster if they have a guy they like.

 

[Seels]

wtf vrable

 

[BaseballJones]

Following this Brown trade that includes some picks.... Maybe they trade down from #43 to later in the round, picking up an additional pick in the process (maybe 4th round). Use that on Lauretta or Rudolph. And then they trade the #63 for a 3rd and 5th rounder. That would give them a third, a fourth, a couple of fifths, a couple of sixths, and a seventh. And spend basically all of them on defense.

Well, got one right so far. Blind squirrel, acorn, etc.

 

[tims4wins]

Reiss on Trent Brown today

https://t.co/a0ddoAnQlF

Anyone else think the Pats should just try to extend him early? Could be a win-win, because if he has a great year and hits the market the Pats won't be able to afford him. On the flip side he was a 7th round pick so he hasn't made any real money yet.