Pedroia on DL

TeddyBallgame9

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This isn't very surprising. His re-hab assignment was pretty short considering the surgery and he hadn't really proven he was healthy enough to be activated.
 

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This is the only thing resembling a problem that I’ve ever had with Pedroia. His competitive spirit or determination (or whatever) can sometimes bring him back before he’s ready.

Given the intense reports about the state of his knee and it’s impact on his future health that came out at the end of last season, this is a little worrisome.
 

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what happened to marco hernandez? when will he be healthy? baseballref says mid-June?
 

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While I understand designating Hanley because of the option. Probably would have been a better idea to wait this out to see if Pedey was healthy.

Travis isn’t a big league hitter at this point. So not sure what he’s going to bring to the table.
 

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As opposed to the Travis move, did anyone expect to see Adam Lind up to strengthen the bench, or play some DH? He did post an .875 OPS last year in 116 games.
 

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Start working the phone lines before its to late. Lowrie Dozier Cabrera all can play the position, all the wrong side of 30, all should come cheap while providing bench depth if Pedroia returns
 

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The A’s are in the WC hunt, doubt Lowrie is going anywhere yet.

We don’t have trade chips anyways
 

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Start working the phone lines before its to late. Lowrie Dozier Cabrera all can play the position, all the wrong side of 30, all should come cheap while providing bench depth if Pedroia returns
Cabrera is playing quite well. I'm wondering if there could be a deal to be made there, but if/when Perdroia comes back you're looking at a whole lot of redundancy on that bench. Prob best just to stick with Nunez or Lin for the time being. Does Holt, Swihart and Cabrera's contract get it done? The move would also open a spot on the 40 for Lind.
 

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We will ride Nunez and Holt. Lin in reserve if necessary. I don’t think he’s done but his days of stardom are probably over.
 

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Red Sox second basemen missing time with serious knee injuries in their 30s scare me.

Jerry Remy - retired at 31
Marty Barrett - retired at 33
Dustin Pedroia - 34
 

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Is there an MLB rule preventing the Red Sox from signing Hanley?
Don’t think so, but the MLBPA might raise a stink, or at least an eyebrow.

If we were to sign Hanley for the league minimum would we even be paying him more than we are already? If another team signs him for say $500,000, I’m pretty sure that’s $500,000 less we have to pay Hanley, right?
 

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Don’t think so, but the MLBPA might raise a stink, or at least an eyebrow.

If we were to sign Hanley for the league minimum would we even be paying him more than we are already? If another team signs him for say $500,000, I’m pretty sure that’s $500,000 less we have to pay Hanley, right?
No we are on the hook for his whole salary. Whatever he makes on top is extra.
 

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I dont understand rushing him back. He only had 11 AB in rehab (1 hit) and only went back to back once. Honestly, this organization has done some dumb stuff over the years (since 2010) when it comes to handling injured players. Not losing a lot sleep about losing Hanley but the guy could have been a valuable asset if used in a platoon role, something Cora didn't feel the need to try after his production slipped after being hit by Sonny Gray.
 

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Don’t think so, but the MLBPA might raise a stink, or at least an eyebrow.

If we were to sign Hanley for the league minimum would we even be paying him more than we are already? If another team signs him for say $500,000, I’m pretty sure that’s $500,000 less we have to pay Hanley, right?
See above, but you would still be paying him $500,000 more. In doing so, you would avoid paying him $22 mil next year. I'm sure there would be a huge stink about it.
 

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The wrong side of the bridge....
There are at least 40 million reasons why that won’t happen.
You're probably right, but a reasonable counter is that if it were as simple as this, it would be more than 40 million reasons (or perhaps more accurately, there would be a lot more "reasons" in the rear view mirror).

My opinion, FWIW:

1) He'll retire if he's convinced he can't play well anymore, regardless of how much money is involved.
2) It's not going to be easy to convince him of that.
 

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Here we are again. Where are the competent doctors?
At a certain point if there is no visible evidence that the injury's hasn't healed or is still hampering him all they have to go on is what Pedroia tells them. In hindsight a few more rehab starts might have been nice given the time missed, but if he's moving well and says he feels good I don't know if you hold the doctors accountable.
 

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At a certain point if there is no visible evidence that the injury's hasn't healed or is still hampering him all they have to go on is what Pedroia tells them. In hindsight a few more rehab starts might have been nice given the time missed, but if he's moving well and says he feels good I don't know if you hold the doctors accountable.
It is a little bizarre considering Pedey himself said he didn't feel the pain anymore just walking around like he did last year...quoted in this article a few months ago:

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2018/02/17/dustin-pedroia-addressed-the-leadership-situation-on-last-years-red-sox

I sure hope maybe it is just some temporary flair up after not putting the type of game activity on it because it sounded like the worst was behind him.
 

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Also if you remember in his first game back against Atlanta last Saturday, he busted ass around the bases and beat the throw home with a head first slide and at the time did not show any ill affects from the effort. I don't think he was hiding anything
 

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If/when Pedey comes back one way to ease him: a platoon with BROCKHOLT, taking advantage of the latter’s excellent playing.
 

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This is the only thing resembling a problem that I’ve ever had with Pedroia. His competitive spirit or determination (or whatever) can sometimes bring him back before he’s ready.

Given the intense reports about the state of his knee and it’s impact on his future health that came out at the end of last season, this is a little worrisome.
The bolded is my only problem with this post. Has there been a time yet when he's come back from injury at the appropriate time?
 

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If/when Pedey comes back one way to ease him: a platoon with BROCKHOLT, taking advantage of the latter’s excellent playing.
Problem with that is there are a lot more RHP than LHP. Also, Dustin doesn’t have much of a career split difference vs. RHP and LHP. Cora will probably just give him lots of days off. Brock’s bounceback has been a godsend though. I just hope Pedroia makes it back to the team at least close to his old self.
 

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It is a little bizarre considering Pedey himself said he didn't feel the pain anymore just walking around like he did last year...quoted in this article a few months ago:

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2018/02/17/dustin-pedroia-addressed-the-leadership-situation-on-last-years-red-sox

I sure hope maybe it is just some temporary flair up after not putting the type of game activity on it because it sounded like the worst was behind him.

And this is what he said yesterday::
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/06/03/dustin-pedroia-struggles-pinpoint-cause-knee-pain/1vH37mnSsdZXTfFzDtNTlJ/story.html

He went through an extended spring training before starting a five-game rehab assignment with Triple A Pawtucket on May 14. He made his regular-season debut May 26 and was confident the work he had done had put him at full strength.
“That’s the part that stinks is I went through so much during it, testing it, playing three games,” Pedroia said. “The way I was moving, you guys all saw. And then to follow everything and have that feeling in that spot, it stinks. It’s tough to deal with. But we didn’t do anything wrong. It’s tough to deal with, but maybe it’s just a part of it.
Even though his minor league rehab assignment was relatively short and he never played a full nine innings, he felt his body responded well.
“The whole time I didn’t feel anything,” Pedroia said. “So they were, like, ‘Man, maybe he’s not going to have it.’ The way I was moving, the way I felt, it stinks that it happened.”
Pedroia went 1 for 11 in three games before going on the DL. He plans to visit Dr. Riley Williams III on Tuesday at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York. The setback is disappointing, he said, but necessary.
“I kind of have to, because I know I’m going to be back to normal,” Pedroia said. “It’s just I’ve got to communicate and be honest when I do have discomfort or things like that. We didn’t do anything wrong. It’s not like we didn’t test it enough. Trust me, when I was in Florida, I was on the field for six hours making sure if we played a five-hour game I was an hour more on the field — and did it the next day.
“That’s the part I’m frustrated with. We did all that, then I played and had an off day and felt fine. Then we got here, and I didn’t [feel fine].”
 

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This setback does truly seem like it's one of those things for which noone can be blamed, which will certainly be unsatisfying to some. In fact, it was probably inevitable, based on what Pedroia said yesterday. Hope it's one of those temporary issues, and he's back in 30 days or so.
 

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The bolded is my only problem with this post. Has there been a time yet when he's come back from injury at the appropriate time?
I was hedging for maximum diplomatic effect but yeah, none that I recall.
 

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It would be interesting to get DRS's take. I wonder what inflammation after microfracture surgery means. It might mean that the surgery didn't properly grow new cartilage like you hope it would have. That would be a bummer. It also might though simply just be something that happens without concern. Or something.
 

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It would be interesting to get DRS's take. I wonder what inflammation after microfracture surgery means. It might mean that the surgery didn't properly grow new cartilage like you hope it would have. That would be a bummer. It also might though simply just be something that happens without concern. Or something.
Here's DRS's take from last October before he went under the knife. Needless to say, it was quite prescient given Pedroia's current struggles.
 

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But tims4wins said Pedroia's career was over! What does this Chris Geary fellow know about anything?
Since no one apparently bothered to read the link I put upthread, here's what DRS said on his blog last year about Pedey's outlook (which, BTW, was titled "PEDROIA’S PATELLOFEMORAL PAIN – POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC, POSSIBLY PERMANENT" -- I didn't read that as terribly positive):

If Pedroia was older or less active, he might be a candidate for some sort of knee replacement, either partial or total. Knee replacement surgery is an excellent procedure for relieving pain, but it’s not compatible with high-level athletic activity.
The obvious advantage of these procedures over a chondroplasty, or “cleanout”, is that the root of the problem is being addressed- new cartilage is being grown or transferred to the area of cartilage loss. The downsides, especially when it comes to an athlete like Pedroia, are the extended rehabilitation (4-6 weeks on crutches, no running for 3-6 months, no sports activity for 6-12 months depending on the specific procedure) and the lack of guaranteed success. While the odds are good, there are certainly patients who don’t do well or get back to their previous level of activity- one recent example from baseball was Grady Sizemore, who had microfracture on his knees prior to signing with the Red Sox and while he did make it back to MLB, was never quite the same player.
Having a cartilage restoration procedure might extend his career longevity, but would certainly require him to miss a significant amount of time in the near future. Even if Pedroia were to have surgery in the next few weeks, he would almost definitely miss a significant portion of next season, if not the whole year. Pedroia may decide that the potential upside of having the surgery does not outweigh the definitive downside of missing a substantial chunk of one his last seasons of professional baseball. That would leave him in his current situation, with a less-than-perfect knee which might be manageable but is likely to flare up at times over the next few seasons. At the end of the day, there is certainly no perfect solution for Pedroia and the Sox – how they handle it will certainly bear watching in the off-season and in upcoming years.
Granted, this was all pre-surgery speculation. But I remembered at the time that this ... didn't sound good.
 

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FWIW, since I've been quoted, I didn't mean his career was literally over. But I'm done expecting him to even approach being a good player any more.
 

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Since no one apparently bothered to read the link I put upthread, here's what DRS said on his blog last year about Pedey's outlook (which, BTW, was titled "PEDROIA’S PATELLOFEMORAL PAIN – POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC, POSSIBLY PERMANENT" -- I didn't read that as terribly positive):







Granted, this was all pre-surgery speculation. But I remembered at the time that this ... didn't sound good.
I think your sarcasm meter is due for recalibration.
 

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I don't take this as the harbinger of doom for Pedroia - hopefully just a (not unexpected) bump in the road on the way to recovery. And like everyone else has stated, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he pushed the envelope on his rehab, as is his habit
 

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So, Pedroia’s premature promotion precipitated a precautionary pause on his progression to pinnacle performance?

Perhaps?