Playoff Game Thread

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It worked out fine as they were redundant as iso-wings but whenever you trade a guy who will finish his NBA career as an All-Time Top-30 Scorer AND All-Time Top-50 in Assists for a couple role players......you got the worst of it by a mile.
Those all-time rankings seemed really crazy, but turns out they're only a slight exaggeration. Joe is currently #42 in scoring and #61 in assists (using NBA only rankings). If he plays one more season as good as this one, he moves up to #38 in points (between David Robinson and George Gervin) and #60 in assists (ahead of Walt Frazier).

He'd need at least 3 seasons better than this last one to crack the top 30 in scoring (since Wade will likely pass Drexler next year) and top 50 in assists (since Westbrook will certainly pass Stoudamire if healthy). Still a heck of a career that puts him just short of that Mitch Richmond category of borderline Hall of Famer...
 

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Those all-time rankings seemed really crazy, but turns out they're only a slight exaggeration. Joe is currently #42 in scoring and #61 in assists (using NBA only rankings). If he plays one more season as good as this one, he moves up to #38 in points (between David Robinson and George Gervin) and #60 in assists (ahead of Walt Frazier).

He'd need at least 3 seasons better than this last one to crack the top 30 in scoring (since Wade will likely pass Drexler next year) and top 50 in assists (since Westbrook will certainly pass Stoudamire if healthy). Still a heck of a career that puts him just short of that Mitch Richmond category of borderline Hall of Famer...
I didn't do exact math I was thinking two more comparable seasons to this. Either way Iso Joe has had one helluva career.
 

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Those numbers also include split ABA numbers so scorers like Erving, Barry, Issell, Gilmore, Gervin etc. don't even have as many NBA points as Johnson.
 

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Those numbers also include split ABA numbers so scorers like Erving, Barry, Issell, Gilmore, Gervin etc. don't even have as many NBA points as Johnson.
I always use NBA-only since half (probably more) of the ABA players were equivalent to D-League guys.
 

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Yes but it is an unemotional response! All high usage players understand where and when they can conserve energy. Blake shouldn't be putting up big rebounding numbers with DeAndre as his running mate nor should he expending a ton of his energy defensively when he has Luc in the lineup to defend opponents high scorers.

While Bass will play similarly on that end of the floor he isn't going to command double teams on the low block to free up Redick, Crawford and Paul behind the arc, he isn't going to be an end of shot clock iso option to get off a qualify shot, nor will he be among the best passing big men in the game.......this is where Blake will be greatly missed in a playoff series.

And yes, I actually expended energy defending Blake against Bass.
Both of you are completely missing the point. I will say it again, Blake wasnt doing shit against the jazz. The game cp force fed him to keep him involved, he completely disappeared in the second half. The way for the clippers to beat the jazz is for cp to score because the jazz have no one who can check him. So be it Blake, bass, anyone else on the roster it isn't making a difference at that spot.

On rebounding and defending, I just flat out disagree. On paper, yes he can afford to take a step back with the personnel they have. But when the team's second best player continuously gives no effort defensively and half asses on the glass, it has an affect on the urgency of the rest of the team. I've seen it the last 3 years.

The other two points you brought up, get Reddick open and playmaking, he wasn't doing currently. Playoff Blake is not the same as regular season Blake. No one knows this more than cp who was going out of his way to keep him going the first couple of games despite him wanting to defer.

I'm done arguing over this bum. I've defended him for years but it's pointless. He doesn't participate in games when it actually matters.
 

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Mil vs. Tor is just an ugly game. It looks like a middle school game with all of the terrible shots and just a crowd of people trying to get the rebound under the basket.
 

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Those numbers also include split ABA numbers so scorers like Erving, Barry, Issell, Gilmore, Gervin etc. don't even have as many NBA points as Johnson.
I used NBA only. Gervin has 20,708 NBA points (more than Joe's 20,033), good for #38 all-time, but he does have another 5,887 ABA points, which puts him at #16 on the combined NBA/ABA list.
 

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Mil vs. Tor is just an ugly game. It looks like a middle school game with all of the terrible shots and just a crowd of people trying to get the rebound under the basket.
Welcome to afternoon basketball in the NBA. It's why those Sunday afternoon regular season games are unwatchable.
 

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GS held POR to 31 in the final quarter and a half to come back from 16 down, amazing D by Green as usual.
 

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JaVale's 39 playoff minutes: 35 points (16-19 fg, 3-3 ft), 14 rebounds, 2 steals, 6 blocks. Net plus-minus of +55 (+51 on-court, -4 off).
 

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JaVale's 39 playoff minutes: 35 points (16-19 fg, 3-3 ft), 14 rebounds, 2 steals, 6 blocks. Net plus-minus of +55 (+51 on-court, -4 off).
Example #974 on how a marginal players career evolves is dependent on landing in the right situation and in the proper role for the players skillset.
 

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McGee is also older, more mature and seems to have taken the criticism of his game to heart, even when putting aside the Shaqtin' stuff. I think he deserves a lot of credit for doing whatever it takes to revive his career and for fully accepting the role the Warriors gave him this season. I also think he will continue to perform this way as long as he is physically capable for whatever team he plays for going forward. The Warriors were the right landing spot but its the evolution of McGee that is the difference.
 

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They did blow that 25 point lead, but it's amazing how closely contested these Pacers/Cavs games have been. Especially amazing if it ends up in a 4-0 sweep.
 

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Pacers are such a weird team right now. Cleveland is punishing their defensive lapses in transition, but Pacers just keep putting up buckets at the other end. Lance has been really good.
 

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This Teague/Turner pick and roll fucking blows.

EDIT: Deron Williams just got played by Lance.
 
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Cesar Crespo

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Pretty ugly 3 minute stretch of basketball there. Pacers have scored the last 9 points in this game. Cavs haven't scored in 4:30 minutes.
 

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This HOU/OKC game is a great example of the 3 pointer being the ultimate equalizer. That and hitting your FTs.

Hou 29-73 from the field, OKC 36-74. Hou is 10-30 from 3 and 19-22 from the line. OKC is 4-12 from 3 and 11-18 from the line. Tie game.
 

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Yeah, how can you keep a guy to close out a game who is 2-12 from the line in the game and 2-17 for the series?


edit: He's 10-37 from the line in his playoff career.
 

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2-17 is impossibly bad, has to be mostly mental at that extreme. Never seen more arc on a FT.