I don't know about defining moment, but it's definitely looking like a major blemish.Not taking Espinoza back after finding out Pomeranz's arm was awful was probably unwise. Let's hope for all our sakes it doesn't define his legacy as our GM.
I don't think they had a choice at that point. They were headed toward a division title and a playoff appearance. They couldn't just cut out a starting pitcher and hope for the best. They were stuck with the trade by the time the elbow issues came to light.I don't know about defining moment, but it's definitely looking like a major blemish.
This needs to stop already. We get it, people don't like the deal for Pomeranz. It's done. It's not being undone. It doesn't need to be brought up every time Pomeranz gives up a walk or loses a game or has an owie.Anderson Espinoza, welcome to Bagwell territory
Can you elaborate on this? What indications are you referring to?Also, all indications are that the triceps tightness he felt that caused him to be pulled from today's game is entirely unrelated to the injury from last year (the one that resulted in him getting the PRP injection last fall).
You mean wait til espinoza's thrown a pitch above a-ball? Pshaw.This needs to stop already. We get it, people don't like the deal for Pomeranz. It's done. It's not being undone. It doesn't need to be brought up every time Pomeranz gives up a walk or loses a game or has an owie.
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Close but not exactly, at least per WEEI:He gave an interview during the game where he said it wasn't so much that it tightened up during his outing so much as it just didn't loosen up as he threw pitches like he was expected. So they pulled him an inning short of his planning outing to play it safe.
Brian MacPherson @brianmacpCan you elaborate on this? What indications are you referring to?
Pretty much, yes. They could start Porcello in Game 5 on Saturday the 8th @Det on normal rest but they'd then need to put #5 in on Sunday the 9th. After that though they wouldn't need to start #5 again until Tuesday the 18th (@Tor) so if Drew (or someone else) isn't ready they're looking at possibly just one spot starter for the 1st 13 games (15 days) of the season. And hopefully by the time that spot comes around again (Sunday the 23rd @Bal) Mr Price will be ready. And all that is assuming no rainouts (which would probably still require a spot starter if made up right away with a DH or during one of the off days but there'd be a good chance the opposition would be doing the same)....they'll need a number 5 right away, correct?
Given the Farrell Philosophy™ seems to be a more gradual build-up of starters' workload in ST and the first month of the season than is done by other clubs, the Sox are unlikely to aggressively skip the #5 starter in April.Pretty much, yes. They could start Porcello in Game 5 on Saturday the 8th @Det on normal rest but they'd then need to put #5 in on Sunday the 9th. After that though they wouldn't need to start #5 again until Tuesday the 18th (@Tor) so if Drew (or someone else) isn't ready they're looking at possibly just one spot starter for the 1st 13 games (15 days) of the season. And hopefully by the time that spot comes around again (Sunday the 23rd @Bal) Mr Price will be ready. And all that is assuming no rainouts (which would probably still require a spot starter if made up right away with a DH or during one of the off days but there'd be a good chance the opposition would be doing the same).
If it's only one start, I doubt they're going to want to burn Kendrick for that, if they can otherwise keep him on the hook until mid-June. So I think we could be looking at Brian Johnson (or Velasquez?).A practical issue with using Kendrick as a spot starter is that he doesn't have options.
Well, it's not particularly aggressive to send your starters out on normal rest and he did do that last year on their 2nd off-day (skipping Wright's turn on 16 Apr in favour of Price)Given the Farrell Philosophy™ seems to be a more gradual build-up of starters' workload in ST and the first month of the season than is done by other clubs, the Sox are unlikely to aggressively skip the #5 starter in April.
You must be new here.This needs to stop already. We get it, people don't like the deal for Pomeranz. It's done. It's not being undone. It doesn't need to be brought up every time Pomeranz gives up a walk or loses a game or has an owie.
Or keep an extra relief arm in the bullpen until the 6th game.Not necessarily. 10-day DL means he can be activated in time to start on Sunday 4/9, the sixth game of the year. With the off-day on Tuesday, Porcello can start the 5th game on Saturday on full rest.
My guess is this will allow them to carry Hernandez and Selsky so as to be better covered until Moreland is 100% recovered from the flu.
Luckily, Abad is 100% healthy. As long as Sale stays off this list, Sox can muddle through.David Price
Drew Pomeranz
Carson Smith
Tyler Thornburg
Are there any other pitchers on the DL hired by Dave Dombrowski for the Red Sox that I missed?
Seems like a good guess to me. And assuming Moreland is ready by say game 3, they can easily demote Selsky for a reliever with options if they so choose.Not necessarily. 10-day DL means he can be activated in time to start on Sunday 4/9, the sixth game of the year. With the off-day on Tuesday, Porcello can start the 5th game on Saturday on full rest.
My guess is this will allow them to carry Hernandez and Selsky so as to be better covered until Moreland is 100% recovered from the flu.
Where is it mentioned that this a short-term thing?It's hard for me to see the Sox calling up Kendrick for a short-term need.
Farrell said that there is no real injury, just that Pomeranz isn't quite ready because he got a late start. He will make a minor league start on Monday or Tuesday to continue stepping up his pitch count, then if all goes well, he will be activated to start the game on Sunday the 9th.Where is it mentioned that this a short-term thing?
It would largely depend on how he worded it. Besides that, not a real injury =/= not really hurt.Isn't admitting he's not really hurt a violation of the DL rule ? Or are ST DLs slightly more rexaxed?
I guess the easy thing to say is it's more relaxed, but the fact is that the DL is a regular season only thing. It doesn't exist in spring training until the final week or so before the season begins. He technically did have the injury for which he's being listed, it's just that there was no DL to be put on when the injury happened/he spent time shut down. At this point, he's in the rehab assignment phase of the process, for which a player is still technically on the DL even if he's playing in the minors.Isn't admitting he's not really hurt a violation of the DL rule ? Or are ST DLs slightly more rexaxed?
Wasn't Wright already going to, because of Price? Now it's a question of whether or not Kendrick gets some starts...Can Wright get some starts now?
He was already going to with Price on the DL.Can Wright get some starts now?
This is almost as much of a non-sequitur as the post you made earlier in the Porcello thread.Once again, a player is injured or sick and it messes up the game. If you ask me, I'm really starting to get tired of this repetition of injuries and sicknesses. If this continues, we may have to start our closers and pinch hitters. Just like the Pats were considering starting Edelman as QB.
He looked liked the guy you thought we might get after the first half of last year... good mix of his two pitches, leaves a lot up in the zone but is deceptive enough to make up for a FB that sits around ~92... it was a really encouraging start.Tuesday morning's news. Last night Drew Pomeranz had a surprisingly good outing.
I'd have given him credit for possible sarcasm, directed at people overreacting at the triceps news in the OP, if it weren't for that other post you mention...This is almost as much of a non-sequitur as the post you made earlier in the Porcello thread.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the cutter. That had been a pitch that was discussed last season as being important to his step forward, especially against righties. It looks like (per Brooks Baseball) he didn't use it at all yesterday.He looked liked the guy you thought we might get after the first half of last year... good mix of his two pitches, leaves a lot up in the zone but is deceptive enough to make up for a FB that sits around ~92... it was a really encouraging start.
This is almost as much of a non-sequitur as the post you made earlier in the Porcello thread.
Admittedly I'm working with only clips I can find on youtube and the like, but the Pom puts a ton of strain on his forearm when throwing the cutter, with a rotation of his hand and wrist towards the first base side as he releases - it's really kind violent. Knowing that his injury was too the flexor tendon, I'd also toss out that maybe it's related to the injury. Any of your hypotheses hold true either way, but there may be an argument that that pitch is the root of some of his problems.It will be interesting to see what happens with the cutter. That had been a pitch that was discussed last season as being important to his step forward, especially against righties. It looks like (per Brooks Baseball) he didn't use it at all yesterday.
Is he still in a kind of extended spring training, and hasn't yet worked that pitch in? Or has it been scrapped?
That's interesting. I thought one of the things that made the cutter so attractive to pitchers and pitching coaches was that unlike a slider it didn't involve much wrist rotation and so didn't present as much of an injury risk.Admittedly I'm working with only clips I can find on youtube and the like, but the Pom puts a ton of strain on his forearm when throwing the cutter, with a rotation of his hand and wrist towards the first base side as he releases - it's really kind violent. Knowing that his injury was too the flexor tendon, I'd also toss out that maybe it's related to the injury. Any of your hypotheses hold true either way, but there may be an argument that that pitch is the root of some of his problems.
Improving his control would go a long way. His major problem going deep into games is pitch count. I also never understood the hatred this guy gets. He made 13 starts last year for the Redsox, and in 8 of them he gave up 2 or less runs, in a 9th he gave up 3. It's like people only focused on his first start and decided to write the guy off.Well, he has to develop a third pitch or he has zero chance of sustainability as a starter in this league.
I like his fastball, especially at his angle. I love his curveball. But he is never going to be anything other than a 5-6 inning guy with 2 pitches that aren't lights out
This video from MLB (2010) says he had a "vastly improved" change-up coming out of college. I guess it stopped improving, or the movement wasn't good enough to fool anymore.Well, he has to develop a third pitch or he has zero chance of sustainability as a starter in this league.
I like his fastball, especially at his angle. I love his curveball. But he is never going to be anything other than a 5-6 inning guy with 2 pitches that aren't lights out
I wish I had the ability to slow down clips/from catcher angles, but compare these photos:That's interesting. I thought one of the things that made the cutter so attractive to pitchers and pitching coaches was that unlike a slider it didn't involve much wrist rotation and so didn't present as much of an injury risk....
... Maybe the problem with his cutter is that it's really a slider?