Potential Red Sox manager candidates

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Someone named Evan on CSNNE with Framingham Lou just listed in order his top 5 candidates Bruce Bochy, AJ Hinch, Mike Matheny, David Ross and Alex Cora. The first three seem like farcical reaches to me. Lou had Kapler, Cora, Ross, DiSarcina and Mike Lowell which seems like a more likely group I guess. Has anyone heard anything about Bochy wanting to leave the Bay Area (after he recovers from his 3rd heart surgery?)
 

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Well, if one takes Dombrowski’s comment at face value, that immediately eliminates 4/5 from Evan and 3/5 from Lou. So, there’s that.

Edit: I’m still pulling for Mickey Callaway. He’s my dark horse.
 

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Bochy and Hinch are laughable enough, but Matheny? He’s literally the worst manager in baseball. Why in God’s name would you want him?
 

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Well, if one takes Dombrowski’s comment at face value, that immediately eliminates 4/5 from Evan and 3/5 from Lou. So, there’s that.

Edit: I’m still pulling for Mickey Callaway. He’s my dark horse.
I still think Lowell might be someone to watch. He did mention that he added some names to the list from recommendations. He was also rumored to be a candidate after Valentine left. Former World Series MVP. Lowell also was a “coach” with the Marlins as a special instructor in 2015 I think.
 

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I still think Lowell might be someone to watch. He did mention that he added some names to the list from recommendations. He was also rumored to be a candidate after Valentine left. Former World Series MVP. Lowell also was a “coach” with the Marlins as a special instructor in 2015 I think.

Lowell is also bilingual, which helps. But I heard him on the radio a few times this year, and while he isn;t ruling out ever returning to the field, he said doing that is a long way off as he still has kids in high school (or younger?) in south florida.
 

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Reading in Newsday this morning

METS are interviewing:
Brad Ausmus
Bob Geren
Chip Hale
Robin Ventura
Joe McEwing
Sandy Alomar Jr
Alex Cora
Kevin Long, hitting coach, is internal candidate
The have NO interest in John Farrell
 

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In Detroit Free Press

TIGERS are interviewing :
Cora
Gardenhire
Fredi Gonzales
Dave Martinez
Lloyd McClendon
Joe McEwing
Hensley Meullens
Mike Redmond
Omar Vizquel<1st> and Dave Clark<3rd> are internal candidates
No Mention of Farreell but MLB Traderumors say may have interest in Reuben!

*Avila states that previous managing exp is must!
 
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Curious why there isn't more buzz around Dave Martinez. He's older than I thought at 53 but seems like he checks a lot of boxes. I like that he's not as green as a lot of the names mentioned and whether you like Maddon or not, I can't see how he's been anything but a positive influence. One concern is that he seems to have a very laid back attitude and not sure how he would hold up under the hot lights of the Boston media.

edit to add: since 2010 he has interviewed 6 times for managerial positions without getting the job. Would be interesting to know where he was coming up short in those interviews.
 

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Curious why there isn't more buzz around Dave Martinez. He's older than I thought at 53 but seems like he checks a lot of boxes. I like that he's not as green as a lot of the names mentioned and whether you like Maddon or not, I can't see how he's been anything but a positive influence. One concern is that he seems to have a very laid back attitude and not sure how he would hold up under the hot lights of the Boston media.
He has interviewed for a bunch of jobs over the years and has gotten beaten out by some very underwhelming guys(Matt Williams, Bo Porter, Robin Ventura, Kevin Cash, etc). Maybe he's a shitty interviewer or else there is just something missing.
 

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Old Hickory's latest piece mentioned Dombrowski's practice of traveling with the team on every road trip.

In addition to all the other hassles of being manager in Boston, might that be a strong disincentive for some candidates?
 

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Cora, Martinez and Demarlo Hale have interviewed for a lot of jobs without getting chosen because teams want to interview minority candidates, even when they know they are probably going to hire someone else anyway. It shouldn't be used as a knock on these guys that they have interviewed a lot.
 

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Old Hickory's latest piece mentioned Dombrowski's practice of traveling with the team on every road trip.

In addition to all the other hassles of being manager in Boston, might that be a strong disincentive for some candidates?
There's also a lot of Ausmus love in there.
 

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I hope that DeMarlo Hale is interviewed and given serious consideration. He seems to check every box - successful minor-league manager, tenure in the Red Sox organization, member of Tito's staff here, highly-regarded in the industry. He was regarded enough by ownership that he actually interviewed for the job after Francona was dismissed (I don't hold the fact that BV was subsequently hired instead as a negative against Hale - that hire clearly was being driven by someone). I think he knows what Boston is like and he'd be ready for it. Plus, given the atrocious racial history surrounding this team, the hiring of the first African-American manager of the Boston Red Sox is long overdue. It's not the be-all and end-all, but it absolutely should be a factor if Hale is the equal of other candidates.

I also hope that Dave Martinez is also given consideration. Previous managerial experience (minor-league at minimum) and bench coach experience should be a must - this is no job for guys like Varitek or Ross who would be stepping in and learning on the fly.
 

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A name that is being heavily connected to the Philadelphia Phillies‘ managerial opening by people in the industry is Boston Red Sox bench coach Gary DiSarcina.

“Personally, I think he ends up in Philly if he doesn’t land the Red Sox gig,” one executive outside of the situation said.

A DiSarcina/Phillies connection makes sense, in multiple ways.

One, he has close ties to Phillies general manager Matt Klentak from their days with the Los Angeles Angels.

Two, it gives Klentak “his guy” that he handpicked, not someone around from the previous regime.

Finally, it gives the Phillies a familiar face to local star Mike Trout, who is set to become a free agent in 2021.

https://www.fanragsports.com/murray-gary-disarcina-connected-to-phillies-managerial-opening/
 

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I hope that DeMarlo Hale is interviewed and given serious consideration. He seems to check every box - successful minor-league manager, tenure in the Red Sox organization, member of Tito's staff here, highly-regarded in the industry. He was regarded enough by ownership that he actually interviewed for the job after Francona was dismissed (I don't hold the fact that BV was subsequently hired instead as a negative against Hale - that hire clearly was being driven by someone). I think he knows what Boston is like and he'd be ready for it. Plus, given the atrocious racial history surrounding this team, the hiring of the first African-American manager of the Boston Red Sox is long overdue. It's not the be-all and end-all, but it absolutely should be a factor if Hale is the equal of other candidates.

I also hope that Dave Martinez is also given consideration. Previous managerial experience (minor-league at minimum) and bench coach experience should be a must - this is no job for guys like Varitek or Ross who would be stepping in and learning on the fly.
You just summed up all of the reasons for Hale. I’d be proud to have the first African American manager in Sox history be DeMarlo Hale. It’s not that it’s everything but it’s a pretty big achievement to push him ahead of say Alex Cora if both interviews are equal. He’s actually good at his job and highly regarded. He’s ready.

I do disagree on the last part. Depends who they surround themselves with. Ross and Tek are both very intelligent baseball minds that have been on title teams and know the expectations of the city.
 

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Cora, Martinez and Demarlo Hale have interviewed for a lot of jobs without getting chosen because teams want to interview minority candidates, even when they know they are probably going to hire someone else anyway. It shouldn't be used as a knock on these guys that they have interviewed a lot.
Despite all the managerial vacancies last offseason, Martinez didn't get even one interview. Nada.
 

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Curious why there isn't more buzz around Dave Martinez. He's older than I thought at 53 but seems like he checks a lot of boxes. I like that he's not as green as a lot of the names mentioned and whether you like Maddon or not, I can't see how he's been anything but a positive influence. One concern is that he seems to have a very laid back attitude and not sure how he would hold up under the hot lights of the Boston media.

edit to add: since 2010 he has interviewed 6 times for managerial positions without getting the job. Would be interesting to know where he was coming up short in those interviews.
I remember reading that he was pretty happy where he was at. Now that he has a ring, he might be ready for more.
 

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So who is the guy that would be most open to utilizing advanced analytics to make on-field decisions? My guess is that list would be topped by Cora, whose experience as a bench coach has come with the Houston Astros (designated by ESPN the Magazine as "the top analytically-minded team in baseball"), but might also include Dave Martinez ( Maddon's right-hand man for many years) and Gabe Kapler (who apparently has had a strong working relationship with Andrew Friedman).
 

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Bochy and Hinch are laughable enough, but Matheny? He’s literally the worst manager in baseball. Why in God’s name would you want him?
Laughable as in they'd never leave? Bochy is a Californian for many years now with zero ties to Boston. First thing he does after the season is over is take his fishing boat out, like Belichick at Nantucket. Bochy coming to Boston would be something like Belichick taking a job in California. Hinch sounds good, but why would he leave Houston?
 

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Yeah, laughable as in they're so clearly not available that if he wasn't trying to be funny, then I have no idea what he was trying to do.
 

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Cora, Martinez and Demarlo Hale have interviewed for a lot of jobs without getting chosen because teams want to interview minority candidates, even when they know they are probably going to hire someone else anyway. It shouldn't be used as a knock on these guys that they have interviewed a lot.
This is an important point to remember. Given the Selig Rule, we should expect the relatively -- and, in my opinion, outrageously -- few minority candidates to have significantly more interview opportunities than their peers.

I hope that DeMarlo Hale is interviewed and given serious consideration. He seems to check every box - successful minor-league manager, tenure in the Red Sox organization, member of Tito's staff here, highly-regarded in the industry. He was regarded enough by ownership that he actually interviewed for the job after Francona was dismissed (I don't hold the fact that BV was subsequently hired instead as a negative against Hale - that hire clearly was being driven by someone). I think he knows what Boston is like and he'd be ready for it. Plus, given the atrocious racial history surrounding this team, the hiring of the first African-American manager of the Boston Red Sox is long overdue. It's not the be-all and end-all, but it absolutely should be a factor if Hale is the equal of other candidates.
I agree with all of this.

To me, Hale and Cora are far and away the most exciting candidates for the job. Both have sterling reputations and both know the environment here.

As far as being data-driven, I know Cora has spoken at SaberSeminar, and as mentioned is helping to lead the analytically-focused Astros.

Would be happy with either pick.
 

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Laughable as in they'd never leave? Bochy is a Californian for many years now with zero ties to Boston. First thing he does after the season is over is take his fishing boat out, like Belichick at Nantucket. Bochy coming to Boston would be something like Belichick taking a job in California. Hinch sounds good, but why would he leave Houston?
Yes that laughable. Less than zero on both and Matheny is atrocious. Worst list yet.
 

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I don't want Ausmus. I want the Sox to hire someone with some of the attributes of Buck Showalter, a good judge of talent, always looking for an edge, savvy about how to run a bullpen only without the wound too tight, jerk aspects of Buck Showalter.
 

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Another name that isn’t being mentioned is Lord Voldemort.
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Nice. Not much Allard Baird talk either.

DD ought to pull out the stops to land Cora. The reasons have been well related in this thread. With his reputation and relative youth, a strong choice.

As for the Boston media, in most cases I think you really don't know how a Sox manager will handle that maelstrom until it he has to do so. What we have seen with Cora indicates a good communicator with a sense of humor. And, boy, is that latter characteristic helpful in Boston.
 

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So who is the guy that would be most open to utilizing advanced analytics to make on-field decisions? My guess is that list would be topped by Cora, whose experience as a bench coach has come with the Houston Astros (designated by ESPN the Magazine as "the top analytically-minded team in baseball"), but might also include Dave Martinez ( Maddon's right-hand man for many years) and Gabe Kapler (who apparently has had a strong working relationship with Andrew Friedman).
Which is why Cora and Martinez are at the top of my christmas list.

I'd be cool with Kapler or Hale. Although I think they're on the next tier for me. But I have no interest in trying to wedge race into a hiring of this importance. Find your best candidate. Don't freaking low ball him like the Nats did their first guy, and land him. Let him build his staff. Simple.
 

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I admit to not knowing much about Gardenhire other than what I have read in the past hour or so. What about him would be a trainwreck?
His teams always lost to the Yankees. Once, when they arrived in NYC, he was giving this long lyrical speech about the majesty of the stadium. What would that do except inspire fear and awe in his own players? PASS.
 

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Out of the frying pan and into the fire. Will they just choose whomever is the easiest to push around ?
They can’t. The last season that answer seemed like Manager John. If they do that then it’s going to be 2nd place next year and 4th the next. They need someone first and foremost that will reign in David Price Pedey and others. As I thought initially it seems like that was a problem that helped seal Farrell’s fate.
 

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Or, maybe it will work out. He says Ausmus is a safe pick who DD almost certainly already had in mind when he fired Farrell -- talks about his connection to pitchers as a catcher (good), how some believed he was defensive when criticized in Detroit (bad) and has a long connection to Butterfield (good). Abraham also says they should interview Cora and probably will, but just for show (bad).
 

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I'm blocked from reading more Globe stories, can anyone share info about this story where Abraham says DD will hire Ausmus?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2017/10/13/signs-could-point-brad-ausmus-next-red-sox-manager/0MgJ33K2Gjp0qCV2TuPrpM/story.html

FWIW I fully expect this hire. And when it happens, I'm probably taking a long break from baseball. DD'll get fired soon enough if it turns out to be the case.
FWIW-Abe doesn;t exactly endorse ausmus, just sees is as likely (EDIT: not "likely"; as Everyman says, "safe")

It was wasn't all that different from the meat of the Gammons piece linked above.

Knows DD. Knows Price, who liked him. Ausmus knows pitching (because he was a catcher); Ausmus knows Boston, because Dartmouth. Ausmus will likely improve in a 2nd gig from being testy about having his strategy questioned. Butterfield managed Ausmus in the NYY system during the Rutherford B. Hayes administration.

I care, but I don't care.
 

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It’s all based on speculation because DD said he wants to move quickly to hire, and DD has a reputation of lining things up in advance before making personnel moves.

He also speculates because Ausmus and Butterfield have a history, Ausmus has coached Price, and was hired before by DD, that he’s the candidate.

He covered his ass, but saying the Sox should interview Cora and Hale.
 

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not related, but a note from the same article:

Michael Chavis was 6 of 13 with two doubles in his first three Arizona Fall League games. Maybe he’s the power hitting first baseman at some point.

Then there’s Henry Owens, who walked five batters in one inning on Thursday.
fucking Owens
 

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I'm blocked from reading more Globe stories, can anyone share info about this story where Abraham says DD will hire Ausmus?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2017/10/13/signs-could-point-brad-ausmus-next-red-sox-manager/0MgJ33K2Gjp0qCV2TuPrpM/story.html

FWIW I fully expect this hire. And when it happens, I'm probably taking a long break from baseball. DD'll get fired soon enough if it turns out to be the case.
I find if you just clear your history on the GLOBE
You get back to 5 articles to view and not blocked anymore!
 

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not related, but a note from the same article:

fucking Owens
Michael Chavis really isn't tall enough to be an everyday first baseman. At least, not unless he develops exceptional glove skills (scooping, stretching, etc) or is the next coming of Jean Claude Van Damme.

Edit: Doing a quick run through the WAR leader board for first basemen, the only ones under 6'2 are Posey (6'1), Carlos Santana (5'11), Thames (6'0), Yuli Gurriel (6'0), and Tommy Joseph (6'0). I stopped at 30th in the rankings.

Santana is the only real exception and he was moved there from Catcher and 3B and well after he'd established his bat was worth it at the major league level.
 
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I find if you just clear your history on the GLOBE
You get back to 5 articles to view and not blocked anymore!
In Firefox, I just delete their cookies & I'm back in. Alex Speier is worth it.
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