What irony it would be to hire the guy who suppressed Papi’s development and non-tendered him 15 years ago.
Maybe they're talking to Gardenhire with the idea that he might become the bench coach. It's also an opportunity to pick the brain of a guy who has been a close observer of the AL and the Sox.I don't understand the interest in Gardenhire. Maybe he took a course in Sabermetrics and he can now bring that element to managing, but sure of that I don't see the appeal. Anybody able to give a glass half full interpretation to this?
It was fun reading this with high-school Spanish. I suppose that "temporada muerta" means the off-season, not a season in hell?A Dominican paper says he will be interviewed Sunday for the Sox job.
http://www.proceso.com.do/noticias/2017/10/14/alex-cora-será-entrevistado-para-puesto-dirigente-de-medias-rojas
Dave is quite well connected, particularly among analytics folks in FOs.I don't really undetrstand how this is something Cameron would be of knowledge to. Fangraphs doesn't have this level of access, do they?
Yep, it's the meaning.There is are a lot of slang in sports in Spanish.It was fun reading this with high-school Spanish. I suppose that "temporada muerta" means the off-season, not a season in hell?
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ehhh that’s more Tom Kelly than him. He had nothing to do with Papi getting non tendered.What irony it would be to hire the guy who suppressed Papi’s development and non-tendered him 15 years ago.
Rosenthal’s the guy that nailed Farrell being let go the morning of the event, Guess I hope he’s right again.Rosenthal says Cora is top candidate
Who’s the guy that told Papi to be more of a singles hitter, or go to left more, or both?ehhh that’s more Tom Kelly than him. He had nothing to do with Papi getting non tendered.
Doesn't Cora already count for that?How fast could this go? Did they already meet the minority rule?
Assuming you only have to interview one. He counts against the quota, whatever the quota is.Doesn't Cora already count for that?
And for all his mediocrity, Farrell was the second best manager we've had in thirty years.This is why I opposed firing Farrell. I think Cora has a chance to be an upgrade, but there is almost limitless downside.
Managerial hires are terrifying turning points, for too little benefit: a good one helps slightly and a bad one is catastrophic.
If this is indeed the case, I rescind my earlier demand that they get this done by the end of the world series and Grant them four days past the conclusion of the series.
I guess in all fairness there there you also have the amount of success he saw with a small market team factor. I mean it's not like Gardy was ever sitting pretty with the keys to a decked out Ferrari while filling out those alternative lineup cards and dropping games to the Yankees.Maybe they're talking to Gardenhire with the idea that he might become the bench coach. It's also an opportunity to pick the brain of a guy who has been a close observer of the AL and the Sox.
On the other hand, if you subscribe to Omar Vizquel's criticism of Farrell failing to teach the young players not to keep making the same mistakes, then Gardenhire might be your guy. Gardenhire is very big on fundamentals, and was notable among MLB managers in having his club do full infield drills in the workouts right before games.
There last time we went through this, I seem to recall reading something to the effect that they spent several hours talking basic baseball philosophy then Management presented several situations--not necessarily game situations--and talked through how the prospective manager would respond.Possibly pointless question, but has anything ever been written about what goes on in an interview for a manager? Do they show them video of specific situations and ask them what they would do? Do they just get their thoughts on the team? I am just curious what kind of information Gm/Presidents like to get when making a decision on whom to hire.
IIRC, in Tito’s interview they peppered him with lots of detailed scenarios (fresh off the Grady debacle), and he blew them out of the water with his forward thinking. I think going into the interview round Glenn Hoffman was the presumed favorite.There last time we went through this, I seem to recall reading something to the effect that they spent several hours talking basic baseball philosophy then Management presented several situations--not necessarily game situations--and talked through how the prospective manager would respond.
Maybe that was before they talked to Joe Maddon but I thought that decision came down to Tito or Maddon.IIRC, in Tito’s interview they peppered him with lots of detailed scenarios (fresh off the Grady debacle), and he blew them out of the water with his forward thinking. I think going into the interview round Glenn Hoffman was the presumed favorite.
Maybe a dumb question but wouldn’t the manager choose his own bench coach?Maybe they're talking to Gardenhire with the idea that he might become the bench coach.
That is more typical, yes, though a first-time MLB manager may not have as much negotiating leverage on coaches as a more seasoned MLB skipper would.Maybe a dumb question but wouldn’t the manager choose his own bench coach?
Wasn't there some kind of special circumstances with the contract that Louvullo had with the Red Sox, paying him as a manager and limiting his ability to interview elsewhere (or something along those lines)? Was that contract expired prior to signing with the DBacks, or could there be some kind of professional courtesy being returned?Not sure they can hire Gardenhire as bench coach since that's his role in Arizona. If they had to ask permission to interview him, I imagine that means he's not a free agent coach who can go where he pleases. The D-Backs probably only let him go if he's hired as a manager somewhere..
I really question how involved John Henry is with overseeing the Red Sox these days. I find it hard to fathom that he of all people is Ok with letting his team's analytics capabilities wither and fall behind the curve.Dave is quite well connected, particularly among analytics folks in FOs.
It's also worth noting that Fangraphs is not the only place where we've heard rumblings that the Red Sox are high on the "analytics" front as they used to be.
"not as high as they used to be" isn't the same as "one of the least."How did the Sox go from being one of the most saber minded teams in the early Theo era to one of the least? Was there some skepticism that won out or was it a funding issue that deemed that dept. relatively unimportant to gaining a slight edge? Was simply reading the available statistical work that we're all privvy to considered enough?
I dont think reality bears this out. The A's have been relatively successful over the last 20 years. The last 3 years, not so much, but that followed 3 straight years in the playoffs. Given their payroll limitations, a boom-bust cycle is probably the optimal outcome.There's not a slight edge when a team becomes over-reliant on advanced statistics, then it becomes a hindrance. See Athletics, Oakland.
Not sure what Lovullo's contract was or what it has to do with Gardenhire. My only point was that generally speaking, teams will allow coaches to leave for another team when it involves a promotion from their current position. So if the Sox hire Gardenhire as manager, the DBacks won't stand in his way. But if they want to hire him for the same position he holds in Arizona, the DBacks likely won't let him out of his contract to do so. At least not without compensation.Wasn't there some kind of special circumstances with the contract that Louvullo had with the Red Sox, paying him as a manager and limiting his ability to interview elsewhere (or something along those lines)? Was that contract expired prior to signing with the DBacks, or could there be some kind of professional courtesy being returned?
2013. Yes, it's more complicated than that, but the success of the 2013 team helped convince upper management that some "standard deviation" from a strict reliance on CARMINE was OK.How did the Sox go from being one of the most saber minded teams in the early Theo era to one of the least? Was there some skepticism that won out or was it a funding issue that deemed that dept. relatively unimportant to gaining a slight edge? Was simply reading the available statistical work that we're all privvy to considered enough?
2016: "John Henry says Red Sox will rely less on analytics"I really question how involved John Henry is with overseeing the Red Sox these days. I find it hard to fathom that he of all people is Ok with letting his team's analytics capabilities wither and fall behind the curve.
The best part of that article is that it features a picture of Panda, with the caption "John Henry says Pablo Sandoval is down to 17 percent body fat."“I spent at least two months sort of looking under the hood, and came to the conclusion that we needed to make changes,” said Henry, who also owns the Globe. “One of the things that we’ve done — and I’m fully accountable for this — is we have perhaps overly relied on numbers, and there were a whole host of things.
“We have a very hands-on president of baseball operations [Dave Dombrowski] and a general manager [Mike Hazen] who worked extremely well together. We have made significant changes. The biggest thing is players on the field have to perform.”
Henry, who made billions in hedge funds by relying on analytics, added, “Over the years, we’ve had success relying on numbers, but that has never been the whole story, as we’ve said over and over again. But perhaps it was too much of the story.
“Perhaps there was too much reliance on past performance and trying to project future performance. That obviously hasn’t worked in three of the last four years.”
Asked how he came to this conclusion, Henry simply said, “Results.”
Yes, understand your point and agree with it. I was just speculating/hoping that the Sox were more interested for a bench coach role.Not sure what Lovullo's contract was or what it has to do with Gardenhire. My only point was that generally speaking, teams will allow coaches to leave for another team when it involves a promotion from their current position. So if the Sox hire Gardenhire as manager, the DBacks won't stand in his way. But if they want to hire him for the same position he holds in Arizona, the DBacks likely won't let him out of his contract to do so. At least not without compensation.
It's the same principle that had the Red Sox sending Mike Aviles to Toronto as compensation for Farrell. Since it was a lateral move, they were under no obligation to let him go.
Looks like a bunch of stuff we knew, but with an unnamed source who thinks it's a fait accompli.Álex Cora is headed towards becoming the new manager of los Medias Rojas de Boston, according to a report Sunday.
Cora reunited on Sunday with the President of Baseball Operations, Dave Dombrowski, in New York, and apparently the boss (i.e. Dombrowski) proposed to to make the appointment no later than this Thursday.
"There is a 99.9% chance that he will be named manager of the Red Sox. They want him for the post," said a source who did not wish to reveal his/her identity.
"This job is for him. Álex is beloved there. A for him, it would delight him to manage in Boston. They want to make a rapid decision."
Via social media, one could learn in recent days that the Red Sox were interested in interviewing Brad Ausmus, Ron Gardenhire, and Jason Varitek.
Cora, who would substitute for the dismissed John Farrell, could become the second Puerto Rican Manager in the history of the Big Leagues.
The first was Edwin Rodríguez, who in 2010 was named manager of the Florida Marlins.
Cora, who works as bench coach of the Houston Astros, is also interested in the New York Mets and Detroit Tigers.
In fact, the Mets scheduled an interview tomorrow with the Puerto Rican coach.
"But I don't believe the Red Sox will let it come to that," s/he [presumably the unnamed source quoted above] said laughing.
You meant a hecho consumado.... source who thinks it's a fait accompli.