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coremiller

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A new season starts Friday, which means it's time to once again demonstrate for the record that nobody knows anything.

Link to last year's thread, where I predicted Arsenal would win the title and Leicester would finish above Liverpool: http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/2016-17-epl-predictions-thread.15279/

I think there's a clear top two:

1. Man City. I think they win the league by 10 points. Still a little thin in central midfield, but that attack is frightening, they solved their fullback problems, they have depth at most positions, and they a goalkeeper who might actually make saves. I think they are going to blow a lot of teams away.
2. Man Utd. Mourinho always does well in Year 2. It's a really strong squad, but I just wonder if they can score enough goals, especially if Lukaku doesn't integrate right away or gets injured. They'll need significant goal contributions from Rashford, Mkhitaryan, Martial, etc. If they get that, they could challenge City. But I think there are more questions here than at City.

3-6 are much harder to suss out:

3. Chelsea. They ran a little hot this year, and they are not better than they were last year, assuming Costa leaves. They don't have a Matic replacement and Hazard is injured to start the year. They haven't added any depth to a squad that was extremely reliant on 12-13 players last year, and they have to fight on multiple fronts this season. Teams have also had a season to figure out how to attack the back 3, when I think a lot of managers weren't prepared for it last season. They'll still be good, but I don't see them as favorites.
4. Spurs. Selling Walker and not buying anyone means they've gone backwards. They badly need to add some depth before the window closes. But there is still a ton of talent all over the pitch here -- Kane/Alli/Eriksen might be the league's best front 3, Aldeweireld/Vertonghen/Lloris its best back 3 -- and they have experience fighting in Europe, which leads me to ...
5. Liverpool. I think Europe will be a tough adjustment for them, because they're not deep and that extreme pressing style is a lot harder to maintain when you're playing twice a week. Salah is a good addition, but it's a wash at best if they lose Coutinho. They will still have weeks when they look like the league's best team, like they did last year, but can they maintain that consistency over a 50-60 game season? I'm a little skeptical.
6. Arsenal. Lacazette and Kolasinic look to be real improvements, and they didn't lose anyone important. Sanchez and Ozil are still great, and I think Xhaka will have a very good season in his second year. But they have more questions marks or weak spots in the squad than most of the teams above them, and there's a weird malaise and general aura of negativity hanging over the club that could become a real issue.

--big drop--

7. Everton. Spending a ton of money to tread water. They are clearly the 7th best team and clearly not better than any of the top 6. This is a team that should be punting the league to focus on cups, where they could do some damage.

8-15: Southampton, Stoke, Leicester, Bournemouth, West Ham, Palace, West Brom, and Newcastle are the midtable and could finish in virtually any conceivable order. None of them should be in much danger of going down, and none should be realistically challenging for European spots either.

16. Swansea
17. Watford
18. Burnley

Burnley ran hot last year and are due for some regression, and still only made it to 16th. They also have no money to spend to fix things. Sean Dyche is a good manager, but he doesn't have much to work with. Unless Watford fall apart (conceivable), I think Burnley go down.

19. Huddersfield
20. Brighton

Enjoy your one lap around the circuit, Terriers and Swans supporters.
 

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I predict that even if there is no particular "malaise or general aura of negativity" around Arsenal, the Arsenal fans around here will act as if there is one, there should be one, and dammit they're going to complain about it.

I predict the Spurs fans here will milk every last drop of joy out of being in the Champions League to the exclusion of their rivals, and I just hope they step up their posting game to make that taunting as entertaining as possible.

I think Liverpool is the class of the 3-to-6 group of superclubs and could make a run at some titles if Aguero or Rashford are out for any appreciable amount of time.

I predict if Everton does buy Sigurdsson, Swansea are going down in place of Brighton. Too much turmoil and not enough talent there, barring him.

I predict if Pep has to choose between the EPL and the Champions League for fielding vs resting his first-choice lineup, he'll pick the UCL.
 

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Liverpool still haven't found a key to unlock 10 man defenses and will continue their struggle against the lower half.

Antonio Conte loses his mind in January over his lack of influence on the transfer dealings and blows town. Chelsea are top two when it happens.

Arsenal won't adjust to playing on Thursday and will be mid-table around Christmas. The #WengerOut crowd will self-immolate when he signs an extension around the same time.

Sanchez will channel Hazard's 2015-2016 form in protest of his forced employment.

Pickford will transform Everton's defense into one of the best in the league, but they won't score any goals.
 

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Hm. I don´t think you can make a final assessment before knowing where Liverpool plays (they played the Europa League final 15 months ago, so it´s not as if this team doesn´t know how to play in Europe against less-than-CL teams // Group was Sion, Rubin Kazan, Bordeaux, KO-opponents: Augsburg, Manchester United, Dortmund, Villareal and Sevilla) and who they end up with on their roster. It seems like they have to take a hard stand with Coutinho and if they move past Hoffenheim to the CL, they could still buy someone like van Dijk, which would improve their team. OTOH, if they move to the Europa League, they might have an insane Coutinho who forces his way to Barca and then they basically have to spend the money on van Dijk, no matter what.

Predictions:
-Arsenal finishes above Chelsea
-Tottenham will win the league, because they will drop out of their CL group and then can still finish off all the teams from #7 and worse, where some other teams drop points
-City will play Tottenham´s role of last year: smack teams around, score the most goals, dominate them. But they will move too far in the CL and then will lose some steam in the end, so they should finish somewhere in #2-3
[-is this Premier League only? Didn´t say so, so 1 Bundesliga prediction: Pulisic will score 10+ goals and get 20+ scoring points, if he stays healthy.]
-surprising finishes: West Ham (Top 8) and Huddersfield (Top16). Chris Löwe will get 5 assists on Huddersfield corners/freekicks.
-Chicharito will score 15+ goals
-Petr Cech will allow a goal from some Manchester player to score from a direct corner
-Granit Xhaka will play a much better season than last year and be a big part of Arsenals Top4 finish.
-Xhaka will still get sent off at least twice in the league.
-One off Özil/Sanchez/Wenger will stay, but it´s not the one who the fans want.
-Gary Cahill will outscore Alvaro Morata (6-4) in league goals
-first coach to be fired/leave: Marco Silva / FC Watford
 

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Hm. I don´t think you can make a final assessment before knowing where Liverpool plays (they played the Europa League final 15 months ago, so it´s not as if this team doesn´t know how to play in Europe against less-than-CL teams // Group was Sion, Rubin Kazan, Bordeaux, KO-opponents: Augsburg, Manchester United, Dortmund, Villareal and Sevilla) and who they end up with on their roster. It seems like they have to take a hard stand with Coutinho and if they move past Hoffenheim to the CL, they could still buy someone like van Dijk, which would improve their team. OTOH, if they move to the Europa League, they might have an insane Coutinho who forces his way to Barca and then they basically have to spend the money on van Dijk, no matter what.

Predictions:
-Arsenal finishes above Chelsea
-Tottenham will win the league, because they will drop out of their CL group and then can still finish off all the teams from #7 and worse, where some other teams drop points
-City will play Tottenham´s role of last year: smack teams around, score the most goals, dominate them. But they will move too far in the CL and then will lose some steam in the end, so they should finish somewhere in #2-3
[-is this Premier League only? Didn´t say so, so 1 Bundesliga prediction: Pulisic will score 10+ goals and get 20+ scoring points, if he stays healthy.]
-surprising finishes: West Ham (Top 8) and Huddersfield (Top16). Chris Löwe will get 5 assists on Huddersfield corners/freekicks.
-Chicharito will score 15+ goals
-Petr Cech will allow a goal from some Manchester player to score from a direct corner
-Granit Xhaka will play a much better season than last year and be a big part of Arsenals Top4 finish.
-Xhaka will still get sent off at least twice in the league.
-One off Özil/Sanchez/Wenger will stay, but it´s not the one who the fans want.
-Gary Cahill will outscore Alvaro Morata (6-4) in league goals
-first coach to be fired/leave: Marco Silva / FC Watford
Of course it's silly to make predictions before the transfer window ends and team squads are fixed. But it's also silly to start the season before the window closes (I complain about this every year), and if they're going to keep doing that we get to keep making silly baseless predictions.

Liverpool did do well in the Europe League in 2015-16, but they also finished 8th in the League that season. The deep run in Europe had a negative impact on their league form.
 

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I don't like deciding the order of finish before the transfer deadline is over, but I do have a few randoms.

I do think Pogba will have an excellent season, now that Matic is anchoring the midfield. He was very good last season, despite what people have typed, but if Jose sticks to a 4-3-3 I'm very excited about his season.

Kane will once again win the golden boot, but I'd be surprised if Lacazette wasn't up there.

Gabriel Jesus will out perform Aguero, leading to a disgruntled Argentine being sold to Serie A either in January or next summer.

Newcastle to finish in the top half of the table.
 

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I agree with many of the sentiments above.
It looks like the 2 Manchester teams are the cream of the crop, but then again, it did last year as well. It would be nice to think that money buys something. If forced to pick, I think United takes it.
Chelsea definitely look weaker, principally because they'll have more games to play, but also as coremiller points out, teams are figuring them out. I mean, they've lost to Arsenal twice now. Sheesh!
I was thinking that without CL play, and a few improvements, Arsenal could contend this year, but Socr is right, Europa league might just kill them.
It's hard to predict Tottenham and Liverpool, especially with European duties, but I can't see either winning the league.
I like what Everton did this year, apart from Rooney perhaps, but the gulf is likely too great. Still, I could see them fighting for top 4 until late.
At the other end, Sunderland is definitely going down this year....
I don't think Huddersfield will have what it takes, but I could see the other two promoted sides beating the drop. I have some concerns about Stoke. They don't appear to have improved, and seem ripe for a relegation battle. I also wonder if Southampton and Leicester may struggle a bit. Pulis and Clement will do enough to keep their clubs up.
This year matters little. It's next year when Leeds wins the league.
 

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Uncertainty about the transfer window seems unusually acute for several teams, making predictions very hard. Arsenal could end up keeping Sanchez/Ozil and adding 1-2 interesting players like Lemar and Seri or they could end up selling both of them and seriously rebuilding. Liverpool could lose Coutinho, without many good options for replacing him. United could stand pat or they could add a huge name like Bale (although that looks increasingly unlikely). Chelsea right now looks somewhat undermanned but Conte just said he could buy four (!!) more players.

The one thing I'm confident about is that City have the best team right now. They were very good - arguably even better than Chelsea and Spurs - by advanced metrics last year and they've improved the most over the summer. I don't think anybody else is all that close in terms of talent. The title is theirs to lose.

I don't actually see a lot of difference right now between the next five teams. Chelsea and Spurs were extremely fortunate with injuries last year and Chelsea also didn't play in Europe, so I think regression is to expected from both. United was extremely unlucky with injuries and also underperformed their advanced metrics so I would expect a positive boost. Liverpool will be hurt by playing in Europe but also was somewhat unlucky with injury. I have no idea who will be playing for Arsenal but Wenger's teams never really implode and they addressed probably the two weakest spots in the new 3-4-3 formation in the transfer market (LWB and CF) so they should be competitive for top four (although not the title) if they keep Sanchez/Ozil.
 

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Rafa Benitez quits in January and is replaced on an interim basis by Alan Shearer's gardner.

City win the league; Leicester are in a relegation spot at Christmas but climb to safety by the end of the season.
 

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I think City are poised to really run rampant. Hard to type as a City fan because City always finds a way to make it difficult but I think for the first time I think the team is setup to compete toe to toe with some of Europe's elite.

I'm surprised by how little regard folks have for Arsenal. I suppose Lacazette's season last year was quieter but he's a really good player. I tend to be more optimistic than most about Arsenal every year, so maybe I'm just especially full of it on that squad, but I think there's a competitive squad there even if Sanchez leaves, which seems inevitable to me.

United did pretty well themselves in terms of chances created, posts hit, things like that, and probably will move up a level this year. Pogba has bedded in,the only question is whether they can replace Ibra's goals. I've just never rated Lukaku a ton although he's in the right kind of squad for his skillset. Even if they weren't United I don't think I could stomach watching them every week, it's such a regressive style of footy.

Fourth spot for me comes down to Chelsea and Spurs. Which is crazy, I'm demoting last seasons 1st and 2nd finisher. Spurs standing still and selling Walker (now maybe Rose?) and moving into Wembley...just seems like there are some cracks showing there. Chelsea had a real run of form last year but their depth is going to be tested and I think losing Costa will be large for them. It's not just the goals, he's a very strong build up striker who could relieve pressure and get the team moving forward quickly in its style.
 

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I'll say it again, I think it's crazy that the transfer window doesn't end on July 31st rather than August 31st. It's crazy that teams have to play the first couple of weeks of the season with their roster in flux.
 

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Arsenal top 3 finish.
Mou implodes at Man U and is sacked.
Conte goes into funk at lack of signings.
Spurs can't play at Wembley but dominate on the road.
West Ham sack their manager early in the season and finally start to play well. Chicharito proves to be best signing of the off season.
 

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I just wish I could get odds from Zomp on Newcastle finishing top half. That seems impossible to me.
Last season the difference between 8th place Southampton and 17th place Watford was 6 points.

I wouldn't bet top half, but I don't think the Geordies are going to be in relegation danger, and could definitely see them finishing 9th or 10th.
 

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Last season the difference between 8th place Southampton and 17th place Watford was 6 points.

I wouldn't bet top half, but I don't think the Geordies are going to be in relegation danger, and could definitely see them finishing 9th or 10th.
It's tight but I think the top 7 or so spots are virtual locks in some order. Newcastle aren't a typical promotion team but who are they displacing from West Ham, West Brom, Soton, Leicester, and Bournemouth? Even if you think they're at the level of those teams they need to beat probably 3 of them to finish top half.
 

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It's tight but I think the top 7 or so spots are virtual locks in some order. Newcastle aren't a typical promotion team but who are they displacing from West Ham, West Brom, Soton, Leicester, and Bournemouth? Even if you think they're at the level of those teams they need to beat probably 3 of them to finish top half.
I'd agree on the top 7, just saying that there's not a great deal of difference in the rest of the league that survived last year. The Hammers should be better but they always seem to have some drama and their home atmosphere suffered with the Olympic Stadium move. Southampton could be in for a dip in form, and I don't think anyone knows what to expect of Leicester at this point. Rafa will likely have the defense organized well and they'll have their chances to steal a few games. If I had to guess a place for them to finish I'd probably say 12th, but it wouldn't take much for them to finish a couple of places higher. So when I say they could finish top half, I'm actually saying that 9th or 10th could happen with a couple breaks. I'd be surprised if they finished higher than that.
 

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If VVD signs with 'Pool (which seems inevitable)
Liverpool (otherwise 3rd)
City
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Spurs - trouble at Wembley
ManU - Mou gets sacked by Christmas but recover to make top 4
Chelsea - they will really miss Costa
Arsenal - if Sanchez leaves it could be really ugly
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Everton
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Bunch of teams

No idea who gets relegated but I think Huddersfield and Newcastle stay up.
 

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Yeah all predictions about Liverpool are off if Barcelona buys Coutinho, which seems likelier by the hour.
Still hoping this doesn’t happen, though that hope is really just denial at this point.

I loathe Barca (and Real, for that matter); vampire franchises sucking talent from all corners of the globe.

With or without Coutinho, I think Liverpool finishes top 4 again.
 

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Still hoping this doesn’t happen, though that hope is really just denial at this point.

I loathe Barca (and Real, for that matter); vampire franchises sucking talent from all corners of the globe.

With or without Coutinho, I think Liverpool finishes top 4 again.
But it's okay when Liverpool raids Southampton every season?
I can never decide who is cuter, Liverpool fans or Arsenal fans.

City, United, Chelsea, Spurs top 4.
I worry about Spurs pressing at Wembley and Chelsea's lack of depth. Liverpool can get there if Coutinho stays, and Arsenal can if they get out of Europe ASAP.
Huddersfield:(, Swansea, Stoke bottom 3. I think Brighton will surprise, but if my championship tinted glasses are wrong, Swansea stays up.
 

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City wins.

Everton doesn't get CL but they crack the top 6 by passing Arsenal

Going down: Watford, Burnley, Brighton

Underachieving/barely staying up: Stoke, Southampton

Overachieving/punching above their weight: Bournemouth, Huddersfield

Coming up: Reading, Wednesday, Fulham