Rebirth of a Sale, man

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Not that I want to defend Farrell, but to be fair this year they had the luxury of the best record in team history (credit to Cora and the current staff for getting the team to that point) that made it easy to be overly cautious.
Last year the team clinched the division on September 30th. We can speculate, but we don’t really know if it would have been as easy a decision to shut Sale down if things were closer with the Yankees.

Like most everyone else, i’m concerned but hopeful it will work out. No matter what there is going to be a lot of angst for that first start, and even with the recent mixed results, I’m glad they were able to allow him to dial it back and at least attempt to get himself healthy for this postseason.
 

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I think the shoulder inflammation was real. However, I don't believe a little extra inflammation is a huge deal (especially in a professional athlete mid-season,) but they were overly precautious about it, and it was the right play. I think in past seasons, especially Farrell seasons, he would've been out there through it all, and experiencing the same wear down and fatigue he's gone through in the past. This year there was no reason to keep the foot on the gas, so nip the entire thing in the bud, give him a long extended rest and a whole bunch of low-stress work coming back, and save your bullets for when it really matters.
I don’t know, Farrell is an ex-pitcher, and, as many negative things that we came up with about him, I don’t think mistreating a pitcher should be one of them.
 

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Not that I want to defend Farrell, but to be fair this year they had the luxury of the best record in team history (credit to Cora and the current staff for getting the team to that point) that made it easy to be overly cautious.
Last year the team clinched the division on September 30th. We can speculate, but we don’t really know if it would have been as easy a decision to shut Sale down if things were closer with the Yankees.

Like most everyone else, i’m concerned but hopeful it will work out. No matter what there is going to be a lot of angst for that first start, and even with the recent mixed results, I’m glad they were able to allow him to dial it back and at least attempt to get himself healthy for this postseason.
The funny thing is Sale's first DL stint was right before the MFY series where they swept them and put the division race on cruise control. So it wasn't the big lead that led to them resting Sale, but it allowed them to not rush him back.
 

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Alex Speier‏ @alexspeier 6m6 minutes ago
Cora says Sale got an MRI when placed on the DL a 2nd time. He says that Sox are confident that he’s healthy, particularly given that he’s been able to add velo in most competitive situations, and because Sale has said velo drop is mechanical. Cora: ‘I’m 100% sure he’s healthy.’

Alex Speier‏ @alexspeier 5m5 minutes ago
Cora: Sale ‘feels better’ about mechanics. ‘It’s not a huge adjustment. It should be easy to fix.’ With wet conditions, Sale threw on flat ground yesterday and will throw indoors in a cage today. Still in line to start Game 1.
 

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Certainly didn't look like the same guy that was out there in the meaningless Baltimore game, eh?
 

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Certainly didn't look like the same guy that was out there in the meaningless Baltimore game, eh?
Not at all. Or at least it was just mechanical like they said.

(Glass half empty alert). Hopefully this wasn't like that other Baltimore start between DL stints.

(Fantasy alert). A sweep gets him a long rest.
 

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Rebirth indeed. As long as the shoulder recovers properly from last night (still at least a medium-sized 'if', IMO), there's no reason to think that he can't be even better in his next game. Now it's up to Price, Porcello and Eovaldi to make sure he gets four or five more this month.
 

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Rebirth indeed. As long as the shoulder recovers properly from last night (still at least a medium-sized 'if', IMO), there's no reason to think that he can't be even better in his next game. Now it's up to Price, Porcello and Eovaldi to make sure he gets four or five more this month.
Four or five more? I hope he only has to pitch twice, game 1 of the ALCS and WS and the Sox go 11-0.
 

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Rebirth indeed. As long as the shoulder recovers properly from last night (still at least a medium-sized 'if', IMO), there's no reason to think that he can't be even better in his next game. Now it's up to Price, Porcello and Eovaldi to make sure he gets four or five more this month.
I was never completely convinced his shoulder was that bad. If you did an MRI on every pitcher with 150 innings on September 1st, I bet you'd find "shoulder inflammation" in every single one of them. This was more about getting rest and the abbreviated starts were tune-ups.

Hopefully, he can go deeper in his remaining starts.
 

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I was never completely convinced his shoulder was that bad. If you did an MRI on every pitcher with 150 innings on September 1st, I bet you'd find "shoulder inflammation" in every single one of them. This was more about getting rest and the abbreviated starts were tune-ups.

Hopefully, he can go deeper in his remaining starts.
I'm not at all convinced that he couldn't have gone deeper last night, and wouldn't have if the score had been different. If it's a 1-2 run game next time he pitches(Game 1 of ALCS), I won't be at all surprised to see him throw 115.
 

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I don't know all the data, but it looked like his fastball topped out at like 95 or 96, not 99. So if that's right, he's still not CHRIS SALE, but he was still very good last night.
 

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I don't know all the data, but it looked like his fastball topped out at like 95 or 96, not 99. So if that's right, he's still not CHRIS SALE, but he was still very good last night.
Cold weather + radar gun differences can easily attribute a MPH difference or three.

The point is that all of you wetting yourselves over that meaningless end of season game were wrong.
 

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Sale's sliders were ridiculous last night. I don't mind the early hook, the guy is ramping up his workload -- something analogous to an April start. Of course you'd rather not have those in the playoffs but the outcome was good.
 

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He averaged 95, and topped out at 97.

People want to see the Sale of that burst of games this year when he was hitting 97 and up to 99, but above is normal, vintage Chris Sale. Maybe last year his max was 97 instead of 96, but big deal, that's 1% higher. Hope he can reproduce a speed range graph like above two, three, four more times this year, whatever is required. And for 7 full innings per game, to get greedy.
 

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Sale admitted to the hospital earlier today for observation with a stomach illness? Per Lauren Shehadi during the game broadcast

I assume nobody else knows more than this at this point?
 

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Quotes in the globe aren’t good. He’s not getting his regular between-starts work in. They are trying to ‘conserve bullets’ because ‘he’s not allowed to do as much throwing’.

Would not be surprised if he got surgery after the season’s over.
 

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It has me worried about NSAIDs, like with Buchholz.
Toradol to pitch through shoulder pain. Sounds familiar. Hope not.

Quotes in the globe aren’t good. He’s not getting his regular between-starts work in. They are trying to ‘conserve bullets’ because ‘he’s not allowed to do as much throwing’.

Would not be surprised if he got surgery after the season’s over.
No MRI’s done that we know of which seems strange, but I guess anything is possible

Hopefully his issues arent due to a more serious illness related to his current stomach ailment

Until they tell us, if they ever tell us anymore than the almost nothing they already have, we wont know
 

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No MRI’s done that we know of which seems strange, but I guess anything is possible
Alex Speier‏ @alexspeier 6m6 minutes ago
Cora says Sale got an MRI when placed on the DL a 2nd time. He says that Sox are confident that he’s healthy, particularly given that he’s been able to add velo in most competitive situations, and because Sale has said velo drop is mechanical. Cora: ‘I’m 100% sure he’s healthy.’
 

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Hey docs: What kind of "not serious" stomach ailment could lead to hospitalization?
The type that dehydrates to the point where you need IV fluids. Or the type that, if treated aggressively by IV meds in a medical facility might not last as long as it might if the patient just stays home wearing out a path between their couch or bed and the bathroom. They do want him ready to pitch on Thursday, after all.

Why is it that everything has to be a grander conspiracy or worse than is let on when it comes to Sale or the Red Sox in general?
 

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So, could be as simple as a stomach bug that led to dehydration.

There are so many not serious ailments with different impacts. I once got a stomach thing from swimming in tropical fresh waters that had me on my back for 3 days on some sort of voodoo antibiotic. Has anyone written if he accompanied the team to Houston? Or is he hanging back for more treatment...seems kind of important, but I guess you don't want to give the Astors information that may impact the series.
 

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Hey docs: What kind of "not serious" stomach ailment could lead to hospitalization?
Severe dehydration or something NSAID related both possible.

Also possible they were playing it safe with a very high profile patient and admitted him overnight for something that wouldn’t have gotten everyone admitted.
 

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Severe dehydration or something NSAID related both possible.

Also possible they were playing it safe with a very high profile patient and admitted him overnight for something that wouldn’t have gotten everyone admitted.
I forget the name, but Merloni on the radio today mentioned an anti-inflammatory that athletes use that is known to wreak havoc with the GI tract.
 

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Hmmm....
A couple of examples could be diclofenac (Voltaren), ketorolac (Toradol), etodolac (Lodine), meloxicam (Mobic). Just a few names...these are prob the most prescribed in the US.
 

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I eat diclofenac for back problems like it’s going out of fashion without any bother but I am a lazy middle aged parent of young kids with no significant exercise routine. I imagine these kinds of athletes especially wiry framed pitchers would be much more sensitive to medication in general that affects what I imagine would be a much more detailed and specific routine of diet and training
 

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I view the big questions as

1. Did the stomach problem impact him on Saturday night? I would rather that be a yes than arm or shoulder issues being the culprit.

2. Will Sale be able to ramp it up over the next few days such that he’s as effective as he would have been absent the stomach issue on Thursday night.

Everything else is interesting but not particularly relevant in the end.
 

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I view the big questions as

1. Did the stomach problem impact him on Saturday night? I would rather that be a yes than arm or shoulder issues being the culprit.

2. Will Sale be able to ramp it up over the next few days such that he’s as effective as he would have been absent the stomach issue on Thursday night.

Everything else is interesting but not particularly relevant in the end.
This is about it for me too. I'd suspect since he ended up in the hospital that he was possibly wearing a shit diaper while he was on the mound to prevent this classic from happening on a national stage.
 

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So to summarize Sale has been diagnosed with Dysentery, Cholera, Crohn's Disease / Colitis and possibly Bowel Cancer. The Sox responded by releasing him immediately and he's gone to Houston to allow his teammates to pay their last respects. Did I miss anything?
 

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So to summarize Sale has been diagnosed with Dysentery, Cholera, Crohn's Disease / Colitis and possibly Bowel Cancer. The Sox responded by releasing him immediately and he's gone to Houston to allow his teammates to pay their last respects. Did I miss anything?
I believe you missed the “shit diaper.”