Rick Nash traded to Boston
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I like it. I would assume this is our only deal, right? McDonagh is the only other big deal we were rumored to be pursuing, but the price is likely still too high.
"Over the last two seasons, among forwards with at least 500 minutes of ice time, Rick Nash is 20th in 5v5 goal rate. He's actually slightly ahead of Ovechkin (1.07 vs 1.05 G/60). Bruins are still getting a high end goal scorer. Rick Nash's primary point rate at 5v5 the past two seasons is equal to Phil Kessel and John Tavares. I don't know where this idea comes from that Nash is washed up."
I would probably consider still pursuing McDonagh. The cap situation is looking much better for 2 years from now. $50 mil committed to a likely $80 mil cap. They need to replace R. Nash, Riley Nash, the 4th line and Chara before 2019-2020 offseason when they need to pay Charlie, Heinen and Carlo. I think they'd have room for a McD extension as long as they continue to infuse the lineup with younger talent.
I like it. Spooner has been much better this year, but it took him to 26 to get here. I also don't think he's an effective center, and agree with TFP that the likely backups would be Backes or Czarnik anyways given they are better two way players. The first was expected, and Lindgren is a solid defenseman but has upside is really limited. Moreover they dealt him from an organizationally deep position, and I feel there are number of LD prospects ahead of him. Getting Belesky moved is also a nice positive.
Really like it overall. Should be a really big upgrade for Krejci.
Really like it overall. Should be a really big upgrade for Krejci.
I don’t hate the trade, but I still think the bigger need by far as a top-4 defenceman to take some pressure off Carlo. Not that they can’t in the off-season (they didn’t sell the farm at all here), but getting an upgrade on Carlo on the 2nd pair, which allows him to become an upgrade over McQuaid/Miller/Holden/Postma on the 3rd pair, solves a bunch of the team’s problems that have sprung up in the last few weeks. And yes, I’m aware those “problems” are small potatoes compared to teams like the Hurricanes, Islanders, Rangers, etc., but they have a chance at a pretty damn big window if they do things right.
They could still do a deal for a top 4 D but now you’ll be trading guys off the NHL roster you don’t want to give up. I’m not into trading a 2019 1st either.
Unless they trade for Karlsson. I'd give up almost anything for him. Bergy, Pasta and McEvoy are off limits, but anyone else is fair game.
That’s my point, though. Once they got Rick Nash, that ended any pursuit of McDonagh by default. Clearly they like their defence way more than I do, and they get paid to make these decisions, but I just never thought the top 6 needed the kind of work bringing in Nash says they did.
Some part of me wonders if they think Lauzon and Zboril are so close to cracking the Bruins’ roster that they’d rather not block them.
I think that's part of the thinking with trading Lindgren as well. The Finnish guy, Vantavienanananemananeauuuuenenene is basically a Finnish Lindgren as a stay at home defenseman. I also feel Charla-McAvoy, Carlo-Krug, Miller-Gryz can win a championship. Part of their defense being shaky was playing McQuaid. Not having to do that should help, and that defense was what they had during their crazy run earlier.
I would love Karlsson or McDonagh, but those packages to get them would likely be twice what they traded for Nash. I think this is it for them.
I am not as convinced. I wouldn't be surprised if both stayed with their respective teams and then dealt closer to the draft, If they are moved at all.
That's my guess too.
Let's not forget Ekman-Larson is out there too (credit to PSK for that idea). It's unlikely but he's someone who would be a wild card to move this deadline.
I think it is a fantastic trade. Spooner and a 1st for Nash — you do that all day long. The bonus is dumping Beleskey’s contract. This makes the Krejci line dangerous.
I’m okay with them sitting tight at this point. I don’t want to too much off the NFL roster that it would take to get OEL or McDonagh. This team can compete for a championship as constituted, and they are set up really well for the future.
I’m okay with them sitting tight at this point. I don’t want to too much off the NFL roster that it would take to get OEL or McDonagh. This team can compete for a championship as constituted, and they are set up really well for the future.
I love this. It’s creative and sounds like a video game trade.
I have a feeling we will not be missing the late first rounder when Nash is on Krejci’s wing down the stretch and into the playoffs. I’ve loved the guy his whole career and never thought he’d be a Bruin, so that’s cool.
Lindgren is what he is. The Bruins have a deep prospect pool (even if LD is not a particular strength). Some of those prospects will not pan out. It’s fine to roll the dice on one of them for a GFIN move.
I also thought the B’s would be paying for 100% of Beleskey’s deal, so getting out from half of it is bananas. Spooner did seem to really turn it on this year, but we know he wasn’t being resigned. Besides, I actually thought Czarnik looked perfectly fine on the PP when he was up, and he was obviously pretty solid at even strength, so I’m not concerned.
I have a feeling we will not be missing the late first rounder when Nash is on Krejci’s wing down the stretch and into the playoffs. I’ve loved the guy his whole career and never thought he’d be a Bruin, so that’s cool.
Lindgren is what he is. The Bruins have a deep prospect pool (even if LD is not a particular strength). Some of those prospects will not pan out. It’s fine to roll the dice on one of them for a GFIN move.
I also thought the B’s would be paying for 100% of Beleskey’s deal, so getting out from half of it is bananas. Spooner did seem to really turn it on this year, but we know he wasn’t being resigned. Besides, I actually thought Czarnik looked perfectly fine on the PP when he was up, and he was obviously pretty solid at even strength, so I’m not concerned.
Nash brings and adds to this team potential to this team for a deep playoff run. Ryan Spooner was having a good season (for him), but I was looking at his career stats a while ago. He has 41 career goals. Rick Nash has more than 10 times that. He has been struggling to stay in this lineup for so long, that I think the struggle is his normal, and he was due for a regression anyways. Spooner to Nash is a significant upgrade.
I get giving the asset of a 1st. I get sending Spooner and Beleskey to dump salary to fit under the cap. I get the prospect too, but the prospect wasn't Friederick or Donato, and we still have a stocked system ready to go for the next few years.
I'm a little positive about this trade, and if Nash has the effect I think he potentially could have (+1 PPG combined for the 2nd line for the rest of the season)
I get giving the asset of a 1st. I get sending Spooner and Beleskey to dump salary to fit under the cap. I get the prospect too, but the prospect wasn't Friederick or Donato, and we still have a stocked system ready to go for the next few years.
I'm a little positive about this trade, and if Nash has the effect I think he potentially could have (+1 PPG combined for the 2nd line for the rest of the season)
A lot to give up on a short term rental but to me, the second line has been their weakest link this year so this does address that. And it leaves no doubt that the B's are all in for this year so it should be a fun ride moving forward
Both Zboril and Lauzon are left shot D, and while it remains to be seen if they will turn into NHL players, they make unloading Lindgren a bit easier to take. Not giving up any of Bjork, JFK, Frederic, Donato, or Senyshyn is crazy though, I figured someone was getting pared away from that group (though maybe still will in a deal for another D)
Spooner has put it together, but all that means is next year he’d be more expensive than this season, and I wouldn’t want the Bruins to commit cap space to him, instead use that lineup spot to work in another kid.
Yes. I like this deal. The Bruins didn’t give up an A-list prospect or high-ceiling rookie & they strengthened the Krejci line.
Good take on the trade here from Evan Sporer of The Sporting News.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/news/rick-nash-trade-details-nhl-deadline-2018-rumors-rangers-bruins-grades-analysis/1a3un1ppwrpyg114wupx0m7c9a
While Nash's overall production has dipped, the rate at which he has created chances and driven play has not. Nash is in the top 20 in the NHL in individual scoring chances (19th) and high-danger shot-attempts (sixth).
Digging in a little, and Nash’s rate stats have been good the past few seasons. Shoots a lot and scores a lot at even strength. More goals/60 than Pastrnak, shoots at about the same rate as Bergeron. There is something in the tank here.
Good article by Fluto (surprised) on the Nash acquisition and it's effect on Krejci and the 2nd line going forward.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/bruins/2018/02/25/acquiring-rick-nash-bruins-remade-their-line/8z0SwMbdoyet3mXFYJFnkI/story.html?p1=Team_LeadArticle
Sweeney has done a nice job so far at the deadline with the Nash and Holden/Gionta acquisitions for depth. Good job moving Belesky and Spooner as part of the Nash deal although it did cost us Lindgren and a #1 pick but Trader Donny has the prospect cupboard full.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/bruins/2018/02/25/acquiring-rick-nash-bruins-remade-their-line/8z0SwMbdoyet3mXFYJFnkI/story.html?p1=Team_LeadArticle
Sweeney has done a nice job so far at the deadline with the Nash and Holden/Gionta acquisitions for depth. Good job moving Belesky and Spooner as part of the Nash deal although it did cost us Lindgren and a #1 pick but Trader Donny has the prospect cupboard full.
I wanted a refresher on how he scores, so I watched his “every goal” video from last year. I watched Hoffman’s similar video yesterday thinking we might get him. Interesting differences. Hoffman is deadly on one timers and hard shots from medium distance in the circle. Nash’s goals seem to fall into a couple major categories. He cleans up a lot of garbage in front of the net in close. Many goals on rebounds and redirects. He also is involved in many breakaways and 2 on 1’s that lead to in close snipes. He seems to also be talented on backhanded goals.
Nash said Boston was at the top of his list but it was most important he went somewhere that wanted him.
Would you rather give Nash his next contract?
He's going to get at least a 4 year deal. I hope it's not the Bruins, so it'll kind of suck not having that 1st or Spooner. If they make it far in the playoffs and he's a big part of that then it'll be worth it.
It was a lot to give up for a rental. Time will tell how that plays out.
There was a very slim chance Spooner was back next year, so I don't think we'll be missing him. The 1st is a cost, but it'll likely be a low 1st and they've made a ton of first round selections in recent years, so it's a cost they can bear. Clearing Beleskeys cap space helps them more in the future to re-sign their guys coming up.
I'm good with this deal because it's not mortgaging the future, if anything it's helping the future by clearing Beleskey off the books while making them better this year. And they are much better today than they were last night.
I agree with not signing Nash long term. I'm out on that.
I'm good with this deal because it's not mortgaging the future, if anything it's helping the future by clearing Beleskey off the books while making them better this year. And they are much better today than they were last night.
I agree with not signing Nash long term. I'm out on that.
For those more aware of the Bruins cap situation, is this a pure rental? I assume they’d need to gut the roster a bit to resign him?
Has to be a pure rental IMO, and I’m fine with that.
The sum of the current deals (Holden, Nash) will open up 3 contract slots for the coming year.
Current outlook for next year with no signings and no more >1 year deals:
Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
DeBrusk - Krejci - (empty)
Heinen - JFK - Backes
(empty) - Kuraly - Acciari
Bjork
Chara - McAvoy
Grzelcyk - Carlo
Krug - Miller
McQuaid
Rask
(empty)
Estimates for RFAs:
Kuraly: $800k AAV
Grzelcyk: $1.85m AAV
Roster commitment: $58.222m
Buyouts: $2.037m
Retained: $1.9m (becomes $633k if the Rags buyout Beleskey)
Total: $62.159m
Estimated performance bonus overage for the yutes: ~$3m
Leaves about $12m assuming a $77m cap to re-sign Riley Nash or promote a 3C (got JFK in there now), get a 2W or roll Bjork there, re-sign Schaller or promote a 4LW, re-sign Khudobin or bring in a 2G (or bump McIntyre), and re-sign Chara
Apologies for the formatting, on mobile
The sum of the current deals (Holden, Nash) will open up 3 contract slots for the coming year.
Current outlook for next year with no signings and no more >1 year deals:
Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
DeBrusk - Krejci - (empty)
Heinen - JFK - Backes
(empty) - Kuraly - Acciari
Bjork
Chara - McAvoy
Grzelcyk - Carlo
Krug - Miller
McQuaid
Rask
(empty)
Estimates for RFAs:
Kuraly: $800k AAV
Grzelcyk: $1.85m AAV
Roster commitment: $58.222m
Buyouts: $2.037m
Retained: $1.9m (becomes $633k if the Rags buyout Beleskey)
Total: $62.159m
Estimated performance bonus overage for the yutes: ~$3m
Leaves about $12m assuming a $77m cap to re-sign Riley Nash or promote a 3C (got JFK in there now), get a 2W or roll Bjork there, re-sign Schaller or promote a 4LW, re-sign Khudobin or bring in a 2G (or bump McIntyre), and re-sign Chara
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In more detail, only Kuraly and Grzelcyk are RFAs, so there won’t be many mandatory raises coming their way.
Where the pain comes is the UFA pool. Both Nashes, Gionta, Schaller, Holden, Khudobin, and Chara are all free come July 1. The word for a while is both Chara and the Bruins want to keep the party going, but it’d be a similar cap hit to his expiring contract. Even if they move on from every other UFA, re-signing Nash won’t cost just $4m against the cap next year, and even assuming only modest raises for Grzelcyk and Kuraly (a pipe dream for both, if I had to guess), that $4m is about all the room they’d have to replace RW2, C3, LW4, and back-up keeper.
And let’s not forget bonuses for Bjork (not many coming his way) and McAvoy.
Where the pain comes is the UFA pool. Both Nashes, Gionta, Schaller, Holden, Khudobin, and Chara are all free come July 1. The word for a while is both Chara and the Bruins want to keep the party going, but it’d be a similar cap hit to his expiring contract. Even if they move on from every other UFA, re-signing Nash won’t cost just $4m against the cap next year, and even assuming only modest raises for Grzelcyk and Kuraly (a pipe dream for both, if I had to guess), that $4m is about all the room they’d have to replace RW2, C3, LW4, and back-up keeper.
And let’s not forget bonuses for Bjork (not many coming his way) and McAvoy.
Nope, want no part of Nash’s next contract. So, when talking about two players who won’t be here next year (him or Spooner - Spooner wasn’t getting a raise from the Bruins when they can start to work in more young players) Nash is the better player. The 1st is a hefty price to pay but the Bruins are going for it and prices are high right now. Lindgren was the cost of losing Beleskey’s cap hit.
I don't know if they're necessarily going for it and if they are it would be dumb. They are playing above expectations and I think everyone would agree are probably a year or two early.
Adding Nash and subtracting Spooner is an upgrade, but they didn't sell off a lot of futures to go for it.
I'll be pretty pissed if they try and go for it this year. I think they can do enough damage with the current team and have a chance at the cup with a little luck. No need to mortgage the future for whatever incremental improvement they could get at the deadline.
Agreed. I liked what I saw from him and that was about it on the Bruins tonight. I think once he and 46 start clicking it could be a hell of a line.
9 shot attempts, 5 SOG, 5 scoring chances, penalty drawn. Get that every night and we are in business.
Game 2: Goal, 7 attempts, 7 scoring chances, 3 high danger attempts, 5 SOG, pulled puck off the goal line.
Yeah, he seems custom fit for Krejci. Now I'm starting to get curious what he'd cost for an extension.
This is why I've wanted him on this team ever since the Rangers said they were selling. It's a perfect fit.
Yea I was thinking that too but with their cap situation it could be tough. I wouldn’t offer more than 2-3 years and like 4-4.5 per and I’m not sure he would that take that.