Rick Nash traded to Boston

[j44thor]

My big concern with extending Nash, and I was a huge proponent of trading for him, is that he is a half step away from B's Dave Andreychuk. Basically someone you can park in front of the net on the pp and not much else.
He isn't quite there yet but it is apparent he has slowed considerably and his margin is razor thin at this point.
Don't think there is room for both Backes and Nash on this team in 2yrs.

I'd rather someone else pay for the twilight years of Nash. Hell I'd rather have Riley Nash at 80% of Rick for next three years.

 

[PedroSpecialK]

Hell I'd rather have Riley Nash at 80% of Rick for next three years.

I'm as adverse to paying for past performance and deteriorating speed as anyone in this NHL, but... really? If Rick gets 5 years, $6m AAV, you'd rather retain Riley on a 3 year, $13m deal (72% of that AAV)? Not that Riley won't get that, but I can't say I feel the same way. He's the kind of player who should be replaceable by JFK within a couple of seasons.

Lots of variables that will determine whether or not they have the room / flexibility to retain Rick - Grzelcyk / Kuraly RFA deals, Chara's base AAV, upper cap limit, whether the Rags buy out Beleskey, etc. I'd expect it to go right up to July 1.

 

[RetractableRoof]

I read that to mean 80% of Rick's ability, not pay - though it wasn't specified.

 

[j44thor]

I'm as adverse to paying for past performance and deteriorating speed as anyone in this NHL, but... really? If Rick gets 5 years, $6m AAV, you'd rather retain Riley on a 3 year, $13m deal (72% of that AAV)? Not that Riley won't get that, but I can't say I feel the same way. He's the kind of player who should be replaceable by JFK within a couple of seasons.

Lots of variables that will determine whether or not they have the room / flexibility to retain Rick - Grzelcyk / Kuraly RFA deals, Chara's base AAV, upper cap limit, whether the Rags buy out Beleskey, etc. I'd expect it to go right up to July 1.

Yes I'd much rather have Riley on 3/13 than Rick for 5/30 and it isn't close.
I'd probably rather have Riley on 3/13 than Rick at 3/18, though neither is at the top of my list. Anything beyond 1-2yrs is a massive risk with Rick IMO.
I love Rick on this team this year. I suspect Rick gets 4-5 yrs on his next deal. Going beyond two years would have to be at a figure he would laugh at before I'd feel comfortable extending him.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

I could live with a 4 year deal on the cheaper side because even if he falls off, he becomes a very serviceable 3rd line player that can contribute on the PP.

Edit: that's to say that cost is a bigger factor than length to me.

 

[InstantKarmma]

I could live with a 4 year deal on the cheaper side because even if he falls off, he becomes a very serviceable 3rd line player that can contribute on the PP.

Edit: that's to say that cost is a bigger factor than length to me.

So, Backes, who we already have.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

Pretty much.

 

[PedroSpecialK]

Per Bill Daly on Sirius today, the cap limit could go up $4-5m.

While I hope the organization doesn't value Riley Nash at 3 years, $13m over Rick Nash at 3 years, $18m, it gives them a lot more options in terms of retaining one of their key UFAs outside of Chara

 

[RetractableRoof]

I wonder if (eta: knowing) the cap change numbers would have affected the Spooner inclusion in the deal. He is lighting it up in NY and clearly was having his best year here.

(I'm not criticising the trade - it feels like a win win for all involved.)

 

[The B’s Knees]

Small sample size, but here are the stats so far for those involved as deadline acquisitions.
I like Rick Nash, but I don't love him.
Because of what he's done in the past, I think his next contract will be an overpay.

Rick Nash (9GP, 3G, 2A, 5P, -4)
Brian Gionta (7GP, 2G, 4A, 6P, +2)
Nick Holden (6GP, 0G, 4A, 4P, +2)
Tommy Wingels (6GP, 1G, 2A, 3P, 0)

Ryan Spooner (9GP, 2G, 11A, 13P, +2)

 

[lexrageorge]

All Nash has been asked to do is to play well enough to be on the "like but not love" scale, which he has done. Since he's joined the team, the stats for his linemates:

Krejci: 9GP, 5G, 3A, 8P, +3
DeBrusk: 9GP, 2G, 7A, 9P, +6

And Spooner's play since he joined the Rangers means he will almost certainly be overpaid by at least the same amount as Nash.

 

[The Napkin]

Small sample size, but here are the stats so far for those involved as deadline acquisitions.
I like Rick Nash, but I don't love him.
Because of what he's done in the past, I think his next contract will be an overpay.

Rick Nash (9GP, 3G, 2A, 5P, -4)
Brian Gionta (7GP, 2G, 4A, 6P, +2)
Nick Holden (6GP, 0G, 4A, 4P, +2)
Tommy Wingels (6GP, 1G, 2A, 3P, 0)

Ryan Spooner (9GP, 2G, 11A, 13P, +2)

Yes. Those are certainly some stats. They aren't the stats though. Because here are some more stats.
Nash: 22.4 C/60, 21.2 F/60
Gionta: 33.1 C/60, 26.4 F/60
Holden: 27.6 C/60, 21.9 F/60
Wingels: -11.0 C/60, -10.2 F/60
Spooner: -15.9 C/60, -15.5 F/60

 

[RedOctober3829]

Nice article by Amalie Benjamin on Rick Nash.

https://www.nhl.com/news/boston-bruins-rick-nash-fine-away-from-playoff-spotlight/c-298375800

 

[FL4WL3SS]

Good article.

Adding the first round pick seems like overpay at this point, but he's been a good player for the Bruins. We need him to score, though.

 

[wiffleballhero]

Nice article, and he seems like a pleasant enough guy (as hockey players often are for some reason) but I wish he was a little faster.

God help us if DeBrusk is not on that line.

 

[Haunted]

Yeah that is a good read. I agree that I wish he would score more but I think his overall game has been strong.

Such a weird line. DeBrusk has been playing inspiring hockey, Nash has been solid but Krejci has been abysmal.

 

[lexrageorge]

Yeah that is a good read. I agree that I wish he would score more but I think his overall game has been strong.

Such a weird line. DeBrusk has been playing inspiring hockey, Nash has been solid but Krejci has been abysmal.

If you look at the possession stats, Krejci's numbers have actually been slightly better than they were in the regular season, and generally positive so far. The problem is that Nash has been on the ice for quite a few opposing goals (not sure who's fault, though). And the 3rd and 4th lines for the Bruins, a strength during the regular season, just haven't been very good.

 

[Haunted]

If you look at the possession stats, Krejci's numbers have actually been slightly better than they were in the regular season, and generally positive so far. The problem is that Nash has been on the ice for quite a few opposing goals (not sure who's fault, though). And the 3rd and 4th lines for the Bruins, a strength during the regular season, just haven't been very good.

That's interesting to me. I'm going 100% on eyeball test and it seems like every time I see Krejci with the puck he flubs it, whiffs on a shot or simply gives it away.

 

[PedroSpecialK]

Getting off topic a bit, but agreed on line 3 at least. Riley Nash hasn't looked right since coming back from the ear issue / concussion (?). Kind of a step behind, willing to take hits to get the puck out, but his creativity and knack for winning battles hasn't been the same as in the regular season for sure.

I will say, I've liked Cassidy's willingness to mix it up and move Kuraly to line 3 in certain spots

 

[FL4WL3SS]

That's interesting to me. I'm going 100% on eyeball test and it seems like every time I see Krejci with the puck he flubs it, whiffs on a shot or simply gives it away.

His puck handling has been awful, but I think he's been playing really well. Looks like the stats prove that out.

I'm convinced he's playing injured.

 

[Haunted]

His puck handling has been awful, but I think he's been playing really well. Looks like the stats prove that out.

I'm convinced he's playing injured.

I know we're way off topic so ... sorry.

He's been slow too. But I will defer to the stats on this. I'm usually hopped up on nerves, booze and recently legalized stuff during playoff games so I'm not sure how trustworthy my vague observations are.

 

[Gorton Fisherman]

He's been slow too.

Also can’t seemingly win a faceoff to save his life.

 

[Haunted]

Also can’t seemingly win a faceoff to save his life.

I heard he double dips too.

 

[The Napkin]

Yeah, he seems custom fit for Krejci. Now I'm starting to get curious what he'd cost for an extension.

Never mind

 

[The Long Tater]

So in the first period we got a bad turnover and a bad penalty. Significant factors in giving up two goals. Great job, Rick

 

[TSC]

So in the first period we got a bad turnover and a bad penalty. Significant factors in giving up two goals. Great job, Rick

This isn’t a gamethread.