Romo Replacing Simms in CBS Booth: Praise All Gods!!!

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Finally, he was good AND consistently effective for most of his career (I'm conceding on the word most here, because he did have two 19-interception seasons).
And in one of those 19-interception seasons, he was 5th in passer rating, 4th in DYAR, and 6th in DVOA while leading his team to a 13-3 record. Hard to argue he wasn't effective that year.
 

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It explains the rep in the same way that simplistic baseball stats explain a player's rep. Those that know better, well, know better, while the public at large uses the lazy shorthand to explain their intellectual laziness. Romo had and has his flaws but not being able to win playoff games isn't one of them. Correlation does not equal causation and this is especially true in Romo's case. If 2015 taught us anything, it's that the Cowboys wouldn't have even been in a position to lose playoff games without Tony Romo. So I find it a ridiculous proposition to then conclude that Romo is a choker because he couldn't will horribly flawed teams to victory over actual playoff-caliber teams.

Sure, his legacy would be completely different had he been able to do so, but that's not really what's being argued here (at least not by me). Doing that would move him from the pantheon of the very good to the pantheon of the all-time greats - which is not a move I am proposing. What I am proposing is that Romo absolutely belongs in the hall of very good, and it's a shame that Jerry's foibles have created the atmosphere where this is even a discussion.
He wasn't that bad in the playoffs either. He (and most of this board) probably wishes he had '07 against the Giants back though.
 

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It explains the rep in the same way that simplistic baseball stats explain a player's rep. Those that know better, well, know better, while the public at large uses the lazy shorthand to explain their intellectual laziness. Romo had and has his flaws but not being able to win playoff games isn't one of them. Correlation does not equal causation and this is especially true in Romo's case. If 2015 taught us anything, it's that the Cowboys wouldn't have even been in a position to lose playoff games without Tony Romo. So I find it a ridiculous proposition to then conclude that Romo is a choker because he couldn't will horribly flawed teams to victory over actual playoff-caliber teams.

Sure, his legacy would be completely different had he been able to do so, but that's not really what's being argued here (at least not by me). Doing that would move him from the pantheon of the very good to the pantheon of the all-time greats - which is not a move I am proposing. What I am proposing is that Romo absolutely belongs in the hall of very good, and it's a shame that Jerry's foibles have created the atmosphere where this is even a discussion.
If Patrick Crayton doesn't drop a sure 80 yard TD that hit him between the 8 and the 4 when Romo torched the Giants' blitz late in the 2007 divisional game....then his narrative is probably totally different.
 

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I may be the only person on the planet that feels they make the superbowl with Romo last year starting at the end of the season. I kept waiting for that Brady/Bledsoe moment where Brady got hurt and Drew saved the day to give people a glimpse of what Romo could do, only I firmly believe in this case it would have resulted in the reverse of Brady/Bledsoe and they would have stuck with Romo. But the opportunity never arose, and due to Romo being crapped on by Cowboy fans for many years the switch was never possible. I think he is one of the most underappreciated QB's of this generation, constantly holding crap teams together and having to take chances to keep them in games.

He has no leverage though, and as BigJimEd says the cowboys are in no rush as they have what they think is the QB of the future and a great backup. The release, nah never mind he might be too good thing just sucks IMO but alas it's a discussion about a millionaire not getting a shot...
I think there were a few Cowboys fans who had visions of Romo leading them on a deep playoff run when he came in off the bench against the Eagles in week 17 and diced them up on his only drive. He was throwing seeds....it was almost the perfect scenario for Romo at this stage in his career....get the Cowboys to the playoffs and then insert a healthy Romo who hasn't had to take a beating all season at age 35.

But alas, Dak was just playing too well to seriously entertain that. Dak also did play well in the playoff game but he took about 15-20 minutes of game time to get his legs under him...and in that time Dallas fell behind 21-3. So there is definitely part of you that wonders that if Romo had been starting against that trash GB defense, it could have been different.

Still, the Cowboys should have won the game anyway and it was through no fault of Dak Prescott. As bosox said, that idiotic clocking of the ball which cost them a down at the end when they still had one time out was a killer.
 

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If Patrick Crayton doesn't drop a sure 80 yard TD that hit him between the 8 and the 4 when Romo torched the Giants' blitz late in the 2007 divisional game....then his narrative is probably totally different.
Yup - not to mention the horrendous offside call on Ware that kept the Giants' first TD drive alive. And the head-scratching decision to overturn Witten's first down in 2006, which lead directly to the botched FG snap. I don't like to play the "if" game, though, because it just comes off as whiny. And I try to avoid that whenever possible!
 

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PFT article ends on a a solid note:

Landing at the top of the CBS football food chain also could make it harder for Romo to pull a Roger Clemens and return to the field during the season, if an opportunity to play half a season for a contender would emerge with the bursting of a tendon or the shredding of a ligament.

Then there’s the question of whether Simms would be demoted to the No. 2 team — or whether CBS would simply throw eem overboard.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/29/cbs-reportedly-considering-tony-romo-as-potential-replacement-for-phil-simms/
 

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His letter to 31 GMs inviting a trade of Romo on his existing contract would be pathetic if authored by anyone else. Coming from Jurrah, it's somehow charming. Nice try.
 

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Great news for the Pats and their incredible fans. The teams with the two best defenses in the conference will be led by Savage and Semen.
 

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Anyway, it's a shame he'll never get a chance to silence his critics. He got to play exactly one season on what might pass as a championship caliber team. Way to ruin the reputation of what should have been the savior of your franchise, Jerry.
 

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ESPN certainly had the obituary pieces ready to go. It would be hilarious if this was just Romo's way to convince the Cowboys to release him but that's clearly just my fantasy.

Texans fans have to be PISSED.
 

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Probably not the right thread for this. But with Romo apparently retired, isn't Cutler the obvious choice for the Texans now?

To be clear: I'm not sure I entirely understand the Jay Cutler hate. Yes, he has what appears to be a less than inspiring personality. And yes, as Ryan Leaf showed us, that isn't entirely irrelevant to the success of a quarterback -- because the game is so dependent on the success of the position, a team really does have to like or respect their quarterback to succeed.

But Cutler has spent most of his time in Chicago playing for crappy teams -- with either terrible offensive lines, no defense or both. He's played hurt. When put in a position to succeed--as he was with Adam Gase, when he posted a 92.3 passer rating with only 11 INTs in 2015--he did well. Gase has this to say about him:
“I don’t get all the hatred toward him. I see a guy that worked hard and did everything he could to try to help his team win and sacrificed his body. To me he was an athletic quarterback that could throw the ball, and when you got to third down you could call the worst play possible and he was going to get you the conversion. He made a lot of the things we did look really good. I guess I just don’t get it. I think he has a lot to offer a team. I think he’s a starting quarterback in the NFL.”
If you're the Houston Texans -- and your options are Tom Savage or Milli Vanilli, isn't Cutler the guy you take a flyer on this year? You almost certainly can get him for very short dollars.
 

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I would pick up Fitz or McCown as an insurance policy and roll the dice on Savage before I'd bring in Cutler. At least there's a chance Savage doesn't suck, and it's not clear that Cutler is better than Fitz or McCown.

Edit: I'm assuming there's no chance BB would trade Jimmy G to Houston; if that's incorrect, the Texans at least have to consider meeting the Pats' outrageous demands.
 

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It's not clear, I agree -- but remember: Cutler has only been on two teams. Chicago has mostly been a revolving door the entire time he's been there. I know there's a ton of "Sourpuss Jeff George" comparisons but I'm still not entirely convinced it's really accurate. Cutler was a good quarterback as recently as two seasons ago (in fairness, so was Fitz). O'Brien is a really good offensive-minded coach -- and I feel like the tale of the tape is pretty clear on both Fitz and McCown at this point. Unless there's something about Cutler we don't know, he seems to have the highest ceiling.
 

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Tony Romo will be a TV analyst with CBS next season, according to sources. A deal has yet to be signed, but CBS and Romo have reached a verbal agreement. The Cowboys QB is expected to replace Phil Simms as the net’s top game analyst, where he will be paired with Jim Nantz. CBS outbid Fox Sports for Romo’s services, sources said. Fox Sports wanted Romo to replace John Lynch as the game analyst on the net’s No. 2 broadcast team. Just a couple of weeks ago, Fox was considered the front-runner to land Romo, since it carries the NFC package that Romo knows so well. But a concern for Romo was that another former Cowboys QB, Troy Aikman, is the net’s top NFL game analyst, and he is not likely to leave the booth any time soon.

An unresolved question is what will happen on Thursday nights. A source says that Romo, a broadcasting neophyte, does not want to call both “TNF” and CBS’ national Sunday game right off the bat. The NFL in the past has made it clear, though, that CBS and NBC, its "TNF" broadcasters, have to use their top broadcast team for the series. Last season, the NFL balked at NBC’s plan to have Mike Tirico replace Al Michaels on Thursday nights.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Morning-Buzz.aspx
 

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I'm really pleased the way this all worked out - I wish he could have gotten a chance to play with another championship-caliber Cowboys team, but that wasn't going to happen, and I didn't ever want to have to root against him.

Now he gets to go to the booth, where he'll be excellent, and Simms, who lost 20 mph on his fastball, is out. Win-win.
 

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From those that have listened to Romo more than I, how do you think he will do in the booth?
 

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I mean, we're replacing Phil Simms, so it can't be too bad, but it seems really odd to offer up the #1 spot to someone who's never done it before. He could be great, but do they have any idea? It seems like an obvious attempt at mass appeal since there are so many Cowboys fans across the country, but what if he kind of sucks at it?
 

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I mean, we're replacing Phil Simms, so it can't be too bad, but it seems really odd to offer up the #1 spot to someone who's never done it before. He could be great, but do they have any idea? It seems like an obvious attempt at mass appeal since there are so many Cowboys fans across the country, but what if he kind of sucks at it?
Totally agree
 

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An unresolved question is what will happen on Thursday nights. A source says that Romo, a broadcasting neophyte, does not want to call both “TNF” and CBS’ national Sunday game right off the bat. The NFL in the past has made it clear, though, that CBS and NBC, its "TNF" broadcasters, have to use their top broadcast team for the series. Last season, the NFL balked at NBC’s plan to have Mike Tirico replace Al Michaels on Thursday nights.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Morning-Buzz.aspx
I'm inclined to think the Commish and the NFL wills see it Jerry's way, which probably involves Romo working for CBS and being the "in an emergency, break glass" backup QB for the Cowboys.
 

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I mean, we're replacing Phil Simms, so it can't be too bad, but it seems really odd to offer up the #1 spot to someone who's never done it before. He could be great, but do they have any idea? It seems like an obvious attempt at mass appeal since there are so many Cowboys fans across the country, but what if he kind of sucks at it?
I have to believe that CBS has auditioned Romo extensively, probably with Nantz. Or at least gotten reports from some announcing tutors that Romo has probably been working with.
 

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I'm inclined to think the Commish and the NFL wills see it Jerry's way, which probably involves Romo working for CBS and being the "in an emergency, break glass" backup QB for the Cowboys.
If he's going to be an emergency break the glass QB, I could see Jerry extracting a mid to high pick from somebody else in training camp.

But it seems Romo is truly walking away.
 

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Remember when Dennis Miller beat out Rush Limbaugh for the MNF gig? That was awesome.
My memory of that was that Limbaugh got the gig but shot his way out of the job with his comments about McNabb before he even appeared on the show. Or was he on ESPN when he said all that?
 

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How on earth did this come to pass? Unless Romo's had way more concussions than I realized, how is it that nobody wants him to be their starting quarterback, at any price? Sure, Jerrah told other teams they can trade for him and his $24M cap hit, but he ultimately has no leverage there - unless he wants to eat that cap he has to release Romo, and Romo is then free to sign somewhere.

Do we really think Houston and Denver didn't want Romo, at any price? This just stinks of collusion.
 

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How on earth did this come to pass? Unless Romo's had way more concussions than I realized, how is it that nobody wants him to be their starting quarterback, at any price? Sure, Jerrah told other teams they can trade for him and his $24M cap hit, but he ultimately has no leverage there - unless he wants to eat that cap he has to release Romo, and Romo is then free to sign somewhere.

Do we really think Houston and Denver didn't want Romo, at any price? This just stinks of collusion.
His back is in terrible shape and could go out on any hit. That's why nobody wanted him as a starter.
 

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That's showbiz, folks. Phil Simms has been with CBS since 1998 and has been their lead guy since forever. Tony Romo, all of ZERO broadcast experience kicks him out of the top spot. So much for dues paying or respect. Get. Out.
 

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That's showbiz, folks. Phil Simms has been with CBS since 1998 and has been their lead guy since forever. Tony Romo, all of ZERO broadcast experience kicks him out of the top spot. So much for dues paying or respect. Get. Out.
Kind of like being a QB, no?
 

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His back is in terrible shape and could go out on any hit. That's why nobody wanted him as a starter.
All we know is that nobody wanted him as a starter on the terms of his present contract. All the smoke earlier in this thread about the teams who likely wanted him probably wasn't illusory. Healthy Tony Romo, for the first few games of 2015, looked perfectly fine. He looked perfectly fine in his cup of coffee in 2016 (yeah, it was 4 pass attempts in game 16, but he could move and throw unencumbered, and he hit a pretty sweet TD). In his last full season (2014) he led the NFL in Passer Rating, CMP%, TD%, Y/A, and was #2 in ANY/A and DVOA behind Rodgers. He's enormously valuable if healthy.

And QB health is exactly the sort of dice that mediocre teams are always willing to roll, because if he's injured they're only out cap space (not much in this case) and their fans forgive them, but if he's healthy they can have something truly exciting.

Sorry, this still smells to me, until and unless Tony comes out and says either "my heart wasn't in it any longer" or "my body couldn't do it any longer". Both of those are plausible, but I figure we would've heard them by now if that's truly where he was at.
 

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So, now the lead analysts at both CBS and Fox are Cowboys quarterbacks.

On a side note, maybe BO'B will do the Patriots a solid and feign interest in Garoppolo to move the needle on any Cleveland offer
 

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My memory of that was that Limbaugh got the gig but shot his way out of the job with his comments about McNabb before he even appeared on the show. Or was he on ESPN when he said all that?
I just realized that my quip could be construed as saying Limbaugh would have been a good choice. Not that your comment suggests that interpretation, but to be clear I mean it was a choice between awful or terrible.

(I just don't want anyone to mistakenly think that I like Rush.)
 

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Sorry, this still smells to me, until and unless Tony comes out and says either "my heart wasn't in it any longer" or "my body couldn't do it any longer". Both of those are plausible, but I figure we would've heard them by now if that's truly where he was at.
I agree it is surprising especially at this point. Why not retire months ago?

But where's the collusion? Between who? As you said no other teams can talk to Romo at this point.