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Say it aint so, Eli

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by bankshot1, Apr 13, 2017.

  1. ifmanis5

    ifmanis5 Member SoSH Member

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    Eli Manning had comments on this today.
    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...usations-providing-fake-game-used-memorabilia
    Huh. Done nothing wrong and yet still being attacked. What's that like?
     
  2. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

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    Won't be a good look if the accusations are true. Then again his brother.
     
  3. CoffeeNerdness

    CoffeeNerdness Member SoSH Member

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    We totally... Believe you... Eli!
     
  4. Remagellan

    Remagellan Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    You should throw some eyebrow pumps in with those pauses.
     
  5. uncannymanny

    uncannymanny Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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  6. pappymojo

    pappymojo Member SoSH Member

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  7. InstaFace

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    Let he who is without sin throw the first wounded duck.
     
  8. TheoShmeo

    TheoShmeo Skrub's sympathy case Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    That the Giants beat the Pats in those two Super Bowls is still awful, even with the glorious results in SBs 49 and 51. But that a piece of crap like Manning Lite was one of the primary authors remains particularly ghastly. I hate his face.

    And why aren't those emails conclusive evidence that he was aware of and complicit in the scheme to defraud fans into believing that they were purchasing game used jerseys when what they were purchasing were not that? What am I missing?
     
  9. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

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    It truly is unbelievable that he beat us in the biggest game, twice. Literally not believable.
     
  10. BigSoxFan

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    The 2nd one just doesn't bother me. We weren't that good and he was playing very well. The first one obviously sucked for so many reasons but he gets credit for a great game when he sucked for the entire game and had the luckiest play ever on the last drive. Oh well, the last 3 years certainly helps.
     
  11. bg1025

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    wrong thread
     
  12. tims4wins

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    He did play well. But they were a freaking 9-7 team. And they got so lucky
     
  13. jodyreeddudley78

    jodyreeddudley78 Member SoSH Member

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    I have a funny feeling we're going to see a fall guy scenario here. One of Eli's handlers sent the emails in question... Maybe Goodell will even stamp it with a patented "nothing to see here" if the NFL gets involved.
     
  14. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    They got hot. The Manningham catch has no place being mentioned with the Tyree or Kearse catch. It was not lucky, it was a great play and should be recognized as such. There are a dozen plays in every SB win the Pat's have that can be comped to the Welker drop, that allowed our team to win but we choose to view them differently.
     
  15. BigSoxFan

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    Completely agree on Manningham and this has always bothered me. There was nothing lucky about it - great throw and great catch against surprisingly good coverage by the Pats. It'd be like including the Julio catch in that group if the Pats had lost SB51.

    Tyree and Kearse belong in their own group. These other plays like Samuel drop, Manningham, Julio, etc. is just shit that happens during a competitive playoff football game.
     
  16. TheoShmeo

    TheoShmeo Skrub's sympathy case Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    It's true that the Mannigham catch was a great play by the passer and the receiver. More than great, in fairness.

    But there is a difference between that and the Ryan-Jones play. The latter involved two elite players. Had the Falcons won, it would have sucked badly, but at least we could placate ourselves to some degree by the fact that two of the best players at their positions in the NFL had made the key play.

    Whatever the numbers say about Eli matters little to me in that I think he was then and always has been, at best, a B plus performer. And on many days he looks like a solid C. Manningham had his moments but in the end he was pretty pedestrian. Losing to such players, particularly on the heals of SB 42 and the sustained luck the Giants enjoyed on that last drive, to me was different in kind than what would have happened had Matt Ryan and Julio Jones been the authors.

    Last, I'm not sure I agree about the Samuel drop. He got both hands on the ball and he had pretty good hands. To me, that was a pretty fluky play, and it was not like plays you see in every game. Again, the identity of the player colors my view.
     
  17. drleather2001

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    Whatever.

    There ain't no great Act III without a little doubt and drama at the hands of a villain in Act II.
     
  18. RGREELEY33

    RGREELEY33 Potty Mouth Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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  19. tims4wins

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    Sorry I didn't meant to imply that the Manningham catch was lucky. Them even getting to the Super Bowl was insanely lucky given how the game in SF went. And they got pretty damn lucky that Welker dropped that pass. And pretty damn lucky that the refs called a safety on the opening play of the game, something I had never seen before or seen since.
     
  20. Kun Aguero

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    Even Elis emails get intercepted.
     
  21. Hoya81

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    I rewatched this game when NFL Network replayed it a few months ago. They were playing good enough to win for about 2.5 quarters and then sort of slowly came apart. After the TD to Hernandez to open the 3rd, Brady completed less than 50% passes the rest of the way and the O-Line gave up 2 terrible 3rd down sacks. Trying to go deep to a hobbled Gronk on the Blackburn INT is one of Brady's worst decisions.
     
  22. DrewDawg

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    They were talking about this on ESPN Radio this morning. I only heard it in passing though, so I'm not sure if they were playing it for laughs.
     
  23. MalzoneExpress

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  24. edmunddantes

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    But we do see the benefit of the Eli/Peyton coddle the reporters playbook. Look at how many of them are going to bat for Eli. Almost any criticism is heavily heavily couched if you can find it.


    Then there are masterpieces like this one:

    My favorite from his hometown paper is the Gary Myers article. "Eli's no A-Rod" so we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Never actually gets around to explaining what the benefit of the doubt is on the whole "game used looking" email, but just give it to him.

     
  25. ifmanis5

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    That Myers article is as expected as it is astonishing.

    You guys... he had the feels. Leave Britney alone!
     
  26. snowmanny

    snowmanny Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    The dumbest thing is people thinking they can absolutely tell who is and isn't lying.
     
  27. koufax32

    koufax32 He'll cry if he wants to... SoSH Member

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    In a shocking turn of events Manning has accused the accuser. Anyone remember the next step in the Manning playbook?
     
  28. InstaFace

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    I believe it involves hired goons showing up at the house of the parents of the weak link in the story against them.
     
  29. koufax32

    koufax32 He'll cry if he wants to... SoSH Member

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    That's right, I completely forgot about that. IiRC we're about a week or two out from that step, right?
     
  30. BigSoxFan

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    Still waiting for the context to "2 helmets that can pass as game used". I'm sure Eli and his lawyers will be providing this shortly.
     
  31. uncannymanny

    uncannymanny Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    If the pool of equipment to choose from was all game used, that would make the meaning very different. I think we'd have heard that by now if it was the case.
     
  32. bankshot1

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  33. InstaFace

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    I thought Fleischer and the Goons were separate purchases, rather than a package deal, no?

    Playing the Fleischer role this time around appears to be a nameless PR firm that has bought out any writer who had an interest in putting his or her viewpoint on it. Far more effective when the public doesn't know you're there.
     
  34. djbayko

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    Would it? I though they were supposed to be from very specific games. Isn't that how the collectors realized they were fake?

    If true, then I have a hard time seeing any defense of that email.
     
  35. Norm Siebern

    Norm Siebern Member SoSH Member

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    This deserves love and recognition.
     
  36. pappymojo

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  37. InstaFace

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    None of the players involved here are choir boys, but you do have to feel for Inselberg a little bit - he's the ultimate fanboy, who managed to make a business out of his fandom.

    Here's my favorite bit:

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    (Joe Skiba was/is the Giants' equipment manager, Eric Inselberg the collector / superfan who got the Skibas to let him buy any equipment he wanted from them when they brought it to the laundromat)

    Also, is anyone surprised that Eli was still using an AOL email address in 2010? That might be the most damaging allegation made in this sordid affair.
     

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