Schefter: Patricia to become new Lions HC
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If he leaves I wonder if they make him lose the beard. I’d love to see him go full on suit/clean shaven on the sidelines
I've never loved Patricia as a coach.
As a sweaty, food-in-his-beard, mountain dew chugging, Goodell clown sweatshirt wearing, BB disciple? Love him.
Also, better than Dean Pees, so there's that.
His defenses have done just enough to get the job done, and thats what matters. Good luck in Motown.
As a sweaty, food-in-his-beard, mountain dew chugging, Goodell clown sweatshirt wearing, BB disciple? Love him.
Also, better than Dean Pees, so there's that.
His defenses have done just enough to get the job done, and thats what matters. Good luck in Motown.
Does any other league allow movement between teams while the season is going on? Sure, back room whispering will always happen, but to have the hiring process actively kick into gear while the season is still active just seems odd.
Well they need to wear specific NFL approved gear. I think it was Del Rio that got Reebok to make a suit so the NFL would approve of him wearing it.
Edit. Google says it was Mike Nolan.
This. Oddly, they seem to have a better succession plan on the offensive side with O’Shea, but between the two, if one has to go I’d rather it was Patricia. Best of luck to him in all regards but I don’t see him as nearly the coaching talent McDaniels is.
Alex Cora interviewed for, and was announced as, the next manager of the Red Sox while he was still coaching the Astros in the playoffs.
Belichick petitioned the league to wear a suit early on.
Tough to lose Patricia. Hopefully they can hold onto McDaniels.
So Flores has to be favorite, right? Who else might get consideration?
Perchance, do you follow the Boston Red Sox? Did you follow their search for a new manager?
With OSU adding a Co Defensive Coordinator, I would say that Schiano could be in the running.
We were in all likelihood losing him anyway, glad it's out of the way early and he won't be interviewing any more and can just focus on the post season.
As a fellow RPI Engineer, good for him for taking the next step in his career and I wish him all the best.
As a fellow RPI Engineer, good for him for taking the next step in his career and I wish him all the best.
Oh yeah. I guess I didn't even think about that because, while I imagine Patricia (or any other NFL coach) putting in 20 hour days during the season, I have no conception of what a bench coach actually does.
Put another way, every time I hear about one of the Pats coordinators interviewing, I think crap, that's time they're not preparing. Whereas I've never had that thought about any random Red Sox 1B / 3B / batting / pitching / bench coach, ever.
No official announcements. To bring it to NFL specifics, last year it was known that Kyle Shanahan was the new 49ers coach even while they were getting ready for the Super Bowl.
FWIW, Ninkovich praised Patricia to the hilt on the ex-Pats podcast earlier this week.
It’s funny that Del Rio has been mentioned in this thread because Nink gave him as the example of a solid defensive coach who nonetheless lacks intimate knowledge of offense and ST—as opposed to Patricia, whom Nink described as a really smart coach who has a thorough understanding of all three phases of the game. Ninkovich thinks he’ll be a great HC.
It’s funny that Del Rio has been mentioned in this thread because Nink gave him as the example of a solid defensive coach who nonetheless lacks intimate knowledge of offense and ST—as opposed to Patricia, whom Nink described as a really smart coach who has a thorough understanding of all three phases of the game. Ninkovich thinks he’ll be a great HC.
Good for Matty P. Wish him well in one of the hardest and least forgiving jobs in pro sports.
I imagine BB’ll look at Schiano and a few others, but Belichick does seem to like promoting from within when possible.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if he approaches Jerod Mayo about a role — Mayo said he wanted to take a little bit of a break when he retired, but he might be convincable now, and the players used to call him “Bill Jr.”: http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4791526/retired-patriots-lb-jerod-mayo-explains-why-coaching-isnt-a-fit-for-him-at-this-time
Ageed, Flores has to be the favorite — he’s been with the team since 2004 and is already getting interest as a future head coach. This year he’s done a pretty good job as LB coach turning Kyle Van Noy, Marquis Flowers, Elandon Roberts, and David Harris into a halfway respectable unit.
I imagine BB’ll look at Schiano and a few others, but Belichick does seem to like promoting from within when possible.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if he approaches Jerod Mayo about a role — Mayo said he wanted to take a little bit of a break when he retired, but he might be convincable now, and the players used to call him “Bill Jr.”: http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4791526/retired-patriots-lb-jerod-mayo-explains-why-coaching-isnt-a-fit-for-him-at-this-time
If Patricia goes to Detroit, does he start off by bringing in a new OC and pissing off Stafford? Or let Stafford insist on Jim Bob...
There's 0% chance it's Steve Belichick, right? I'd be revolted if it were to happen, but some small part of me would love to see the irrational fear around the league of a new Belichick ascending.
Someone (Mike Lombardi maybe) talked recently about how Cooter's offense is a ripoff of New England's (he was half-complimentary, I would say), so the continuity choice might also be a compatible choice. Lions QB coach Brian Callahan (Bill's son) was originally hired by McDaniels in Denver, FWIW. I don't know. It's hard to know with a guy like Patricia whether he wants to be a Rex-Ryan-style DC who stays hands-off on the offensive side or somebody who has a vision for how he wants the O to work.
The flip side is sometimes these sorts of movements open things up for return engagements. I believe Pepper Johnson is currently out of work. Patrick Graham is currently with the Giants; if McDaniels get hired there, he might stay, but he could be a casualty if someone else comes in. George Godsey was a TE / OL guy for NE for a while and followed BOB to Houston but got fired as OC there and now has a low-level position with the Lions; he could make sense to stay with Patricia but he could come back. Even restricting the search to former NE guys, there should be plenty of options - and of course they can promote from within or hire outside the org (as they did with Brendan Daly, Dave Deguglielmo, and others).
I’m a little surprised at the assessment of Patricia here.
The injury bug bit the Pats hard this year on defense. Hightower, Gilmore for several games, Van Noy for several games, Branch for several games, Flowers for a few games, Rivers’ injury...never mind the late Nink retirement. Notwithstanding all of that, the Pats, after a rocky start, were still close to the top of the list in the most important stat: points allowed. I know that the offense also lost a ridiculous amount of players this year. But I think that this year is a hugely positive accomplishment for the defensive coaching staff and the coordinator.
Another factor is the development of guys like Roberts, Van Noy, Eric Lee and Marquise Flowers, all who have exceeded expectations. There was a time when the thought that Van Noy being out would be viewed as a problem would have been laughable.
I don’t know if Patricia will be a good HC. But I think he is a very coordinator. At the very least, his defenses — while giving up too many chunk plays — have always been good at keeping points off the board.
NB: who really knows where BB ends and Patricia begins?
Which team was it that asked for permission to interview Flores?
I think the Pats can afford to have Patricia and McD move on; they have done that before and no doubt anticipate it happening.
What would really hurt them is a clean sweep, with McD, Patricia, Caserio, Flores, and BB (j/k) all moving on at the same time.
I think the Pats can afford to have Patricia and McD move on; they have done that before and no doubt anticipate it happening.
What would really hurt them is a clean sweep, with McD, Patricia, Caserio, Flores, and BB (j/k) all moving on at the same time.
I’ve read or heard that Caserio is likely to go. That seems odd to me. Is it the GM title he wants? Or ultimate decision making? I would have thought they could solve this problem with money. BB has been effusive about how valuable Caserio is, and how he contributes in so many ways, including on the practice field.
And agreed, it would be a kick in the balls to lose Flores, the presumptive (at least for the media) successor to Patricia, in the same off season that Patrica goes.
One of the Pats’ advantages has been the continuity of the coaching staff...assuming Bill decides to stay, as I do, next year looks like an interesting challenge.
A Belichick being promoted to a coordinator role would not make be wretch, but it does strike me as not like Bill, who seemingly believes in guys paying their dues before they ascend. I also think it might cause even more defections among the guys being passed over.
Last, I do hope Bill continues to promote from within. An exception would be Mayo, but he’s kind of from within, and even there I would like to see him as positional coach at first. Bill should be able to assess his performance as a coach, even though he likely already has a very good idea of how Mayo would perform.
And agreed, it would be a kick in the balls to lose Flores, the presumptive (at least for the media) successor to Patricia, in the same off season that Patrica goes.
One of the Pats’ advantages has been the continuity of the coaching staff...assuming Bill decides to stay, as I do, next year looks like an interesting challenge.
A Belichick being promoted to a coordinator role would not make be wretch, but it does strike me as not like Bill, who seemingly believes in guys paying their dues before they ascend. I also think it might cause even more defections among the guys being passed over.
Last, I do hope Bill continues to promote from within. An exception would be Mayo, but he’s kind of from within, and even there I would like to see him as positional coach at first. Bill should be able to assess his performance as a coach, even though he likely already has a very good idea of how Mayo would perform.
I don't really see why Caserio would want to leave, but I thought the same thing about Pioli way back when.
Interesting. I wonder if he, rather than any of the coordinators, is the true successor to BB.
Volin’s Sunday notes column:
■ The Texans won’t start interviewing GM candidates until this week, and Nick Caserio doesn’t have anything lined up yet, but a league source close to Caserio said he expects Caserio to leave the Patriots, and the Texans offer an intriguing opportunity. Caserio already has a good relationship with coach Bill O’Brien, who won the internal power struggle with former GM Rick Smith. And the Texans have a solid foundation with Deshaun Watson, DeAndre Hopkins, J.J. Watt, and Jadeveon Clowney. Brian Gaine, currently an executive with the Bills who previously was the Texans’ assistant GM, is another name to watch.
My understanding is they can only block him from interviewing while they are still actively playing games. Once the season is over he can interview as he sees fit.
Or he told the Patriots to deny the request so he wouldn't have to, a tried and true tactic if you're not interested in the job.
They granted SF's request to interview him last year around the same time, after all. I forgot that he actually proceeded to decline the interview with SF; for some reason I thought he interviewed for their GM job.
If you are looking for reasons why Caserio would not take that job, how about "Caserio already has a good relationship with coach Bill O’Brien, who won the internal power struggle with former GM Rick Smith"?
Caserio is probably the #2 guy in the Pats' football operations. Is he really going to leave to be beneath the coach in the pecking order at his next job? I would think no. O'Brien might be willing to report to Caserio, I suppose, but how many guys win an internal power struggle and then hand over their new authority?
And isn't Smith taking a year off to deal with his wife, who has cancer? Then is promised a position back with Houston after a year, when his family stuff is, to some degree, dealt with? Doesn't seem ideal for Caserio.
Lombardi said Smith is a friend of the ownership and will be back in a non football role. I don’t know if that’s true, but that’s what he said.
From Ben Volin: Per Schefter, Patriots have blocked Nick Caserio and Monti Ossenfort from interviewing for the Texans GM job. But they still should be allowed to interview after the Patriots’ season is over, if the Texans want to wait that long
That seems weird. The Pats allow their coaches to interview, but block the GM until after the playoffs? That can't be the "real" reason as it would seem ass backwards.
By rule, teams cannot deny a coach an interview if it would constitute a promotion; teams do have a brief window if they want to interview a coach employed by a team with a playoff bye, as they can't interview the coach after the bye week until the playoff team's season ends.
This is why you see coordinators or even position coaches with the title "Assistant" or "Associate" Head Coach. Meaning any coaching position on another team short of HC is not considered a promotion and they can be denied interviews. When Belichick came to the Pats in 1996 after being fired by the Browns/Ravens, he was DB coach but also an assistant head coach.
Daily News saying he's the front runner for the Giants job.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/signs-point-patriots-dc-matt-patricia-giants-coach-article-1.3748402
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/signs-point-patriots-dc-matt-patricia-giants-coach-article-1.3748402
Fuck this practice. I have good friends on MLB teams with this situation and it is absolutely ridiculous.