Sherman’s March From the SEA - Richard Sherman Speculation Thread

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Alright, I’m starting this thread because Richard Sherman IS going to sign with the Patriots and I want all the speculation in one spot.

Let’s post all of the speculative tweets and news bites here. Commentary welcome.
 

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Calling it now, Pats for 2/25, but the second year is a non-guaranteed salary the Pats would never pick up, so it ends up 1/7 spread over two seasons on the cap.

Then he bolts next season for a big deal.
 

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Asked Richard Sherman what he’s looking for in his next team: “Looking for a great fit. A team that has a great QB. Looking for somewhere I will be comfortable.” Who fits that description?
"Somewhere I will be comfortable" is interesting - wonder if that points towards some of the ex-Seattle spots like Atlanta (Dan Quinn) or San Diego (Gus Bradley) or Dallas (Kris Richard).
 

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Foxboro would be great, but first and foremost anywhere but Pittsburgh. I don't think they have the cap room though. Saints and Green Bay honesty makes the most sense
 

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"Somewhere I will be comfortable" is interesting - wonder if that points towards some of the ex-Seattle spots like Atlanta (Dan Quinn) or San Diego (Gus Bradley) or Dallas (Kris Richard).
I think we all wish anyone was playing NFL football in San Diego :(
 

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Foxboro would be great, but first and foremost anywhere but Pittsburgh. I don't think they have the cap room though. Saints and Green Bay honesty makes the most sense
Pittsburgh is over the cap.

GB has similar room as the Pats did prior to the Bennett cut.
 

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After witnessing first hand what a piece of shit this guy is, I want no part of rooting for him. I hope he signs elsewhere.

I'm also skeptical of what he has left in the tank. He's recovering from a pretty nasty injury and he spent a lot of late nights gambling and getting drunk. I'm no doctor, but that doesn't seem like the best way to recover at his age, but what do I know.
 

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With Gilmore on the books, would Belichick really devote the money it would take to have 2 premium FAs back there at CB?

Related question, why would Sherman consider a Revis-in-2014 style prove-it deal? He has a ring and very little to prove, and deservedly expects top dollar. Is coming back from a ruptured Achilles tendon that severe a blow to his market value?
 

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With Gilmore on the books, would Belichick really devote the money it would take to have 2 premium FAs back there at CB?

Related question, why would Sherman consider a Revis-in-2014 style prove-it deal? He has a ring and very little to prove, and deservedly expects top dollar. Is coming back from a ruptured Achilles tendon that severe a blow to his market value?
Sure. He did with Revis and Browner, no? Or were the numbers lower than what we are talking here? My memory is fuzzy but I seem to recall it wasn't inexpensive.
 

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Related question, why would Sherman consider a Revis-in-2014 style prove-it deal? He has a ring and very little to prove, and deservedly expects top dollar. Is coming back from a ruptured Achilles tendon that severe a blow to his market value?
Does that injury mean if he's nominated, he will not run?
 

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What did you witness first hand?
I play poker regularly at a casino here in Seattle and half of the poker room was dedicated to Sherman with a craps table and baccarat table. During the season he would be in there at least 3 times per week with his posse getting obliterated, blasting music and acting like thugs. He would threaten the dealers when he would lose and there were multiple incidents where they had to shut down the room (one where his uncle threw a glass against the wall behind the dealers and smashed glass all over them). Sherman never once reigned in his behavior nor accepted responsibility for the actions of his crew.
 

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I play poker regularly at a casino here in Seattle and half of the poker room was dedicated to Sherman with a craps table and baccarat table. During the season he would be in there at least 3 times per week with his posse getting obliterated, blasting music and acting like thugs. He would threaten the dealers when he would lose and there were multiple incidents where they had to shut down the room (one where his uncle threw a glass against the wall behind the dealers and smashed glass all over them). Sherman never once reigned in his behavior nor accepted responsibility for the actions of his crew.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4705030
This article asks, "Is Richard Sherman a thug?"
 

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I don't think Richard Sherman, who is a very outspoken player regarding political and other social issues, will come to New England. The QB/HC/Owner all support the president and require the players to fall in line and keep their mouths shut, which I don't think Sherman is willing to do in this point of his career. Add in the Malcolm Butler screwjob and the reports of a terrible lockerroom enviroment last year, I think some star players will shy away from here.

Richard Sherman to San Fran.
 

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https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4705030
This article asks, "Is Richard Sherman a thug?"
Might be more accurate to say that the article declares “Richard Sherman is not a thug and anyone who claims otherwise is a racist.” Frankly, I’ll trust a first hand account from a member here a hell of a lot more than an article full of platitudes from a writer with an agenda.

Sherman is one of the best corners of all time and he went to Stanford. It doesn’t naturally follow that he’s not a dick.
 

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Might be more accurate to say that the article declares “Richard Sherman is not a thug and anyone who claims otherwise is a racist.” Frankly, I’ll trust a first hand account from a member here a hell of a lot more than an article full of platitudes from a writer with an agenda.

Sherman is one of the best corners of all time and he went to Stanford. It doesn’t naturally follow that he’s not a dick.
The issue isn't whether or not he's a dick. It's the usage of a word that is basically a dog-whistle shaped like letters.
 

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I didn't realize "acting like a thug" was a controversial statement, I'm claiming ignorance on that one. I thought thug was a racially agnostic term.

Also, I was trying to make the distinction between acting like one and actually calling him one. Is that the issue? I truly don't know here.
 

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The article I responded to talks about people calling Sherman a thug based on an interview he gave. And in that context, the writer is correct to defend Sherman. The problem I have is that this has absolutely nothing to do with the observations that were shared here.

Personally, I would not have used that term because of the loaded connotations that you mentioned. (This is why I called him a dick.). At the same time, the behavior that was witnessed fits the writer's definition of what a "thug" is. So I'm not sure what people are getting up in arms about.
 

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The article I responded to talks about people calling Sherman a thug based on an interview he gave. And in that context, the writer is correct to defend Sherman. The problem I have is that this has absolutely nothing to do with the observations that were shared here.

Personally, I would not have used that term because of the loaded connotations that you mentioned. (This is why I called him a dick.). At the same time, the behavior that was witnessed fits the writer's definition of what a "thug" is. So I'm not sure what people are getting up in arms about.
No one is up in arms. But the term "thug" should be am obvious dog whistle at this point.
 

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There are, however, actual thugs in this world.
 

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The issue isn't whether or not he's a dick. It's the usage of a word that is basically a dog-whistle shaped like letters.
No one is up in arms. But the term "thug" should be am obvious dog whistle at this point.
Well, as I've always figured, my ignorance knows no bounds.

From reading the article posted above, I assume the word "thug" is now how us white-folk racially insult black people, instead of using the other word?
I 100% honestly never knew that and also have never heard the term "dog-whistle" either, but from the limited google research, lasting a total of 18 seconds, this is what I came up with:
"Dog-whistle politics is political messaging employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has an additional, different, or more specific resonance for a targeted subgroup. ... The analogy is to a dog whistle, whose high-frequency whistle is heard by dogs but inaudible to humans."
Sorry, totally off-topic here, but I really don't know these things.
 

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Well, as I've always figured, my ignorance knows no bounds.

From reading the article posted above, I assume the word "thug" is now how us white-folk racially insult black people, instead of using the other word?
I 100% honestly never knew that and also have never heard the term "dog-whistle" either, but from the limited google research, lasting a total of 18 seconds, this is what I came up with:

Sorry, totally off-topic here, but I really don't know these things.
When it comes to empathy, we're all lifetime learners. :)

But yeah, 'thug' is barely even coded these days: it's a favorite of Fox News. E.g. you'd rarely hear it used it to describe white people breaking things after winning the Super Bowl, but almost always when talking about 'looting' during protests.
 

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Thanks...now back on topic

I'm not a huge football guy, but I would think the Patriots want Sherman from 2015, not the 2018 version.

And even less now, because he sounds like he's an even bigger dick in real life than he is on the football field, plus the injury recovery.
 

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No one is up in arms. But the term "thug" should be am obvious dog whistle at this point.
You should ask yourself whether you really think I was using that term as a "dog whistle" on this site of all places. I think you're jumping the gun a bit brah.

Apologies if I offended anyone, but be careful calling people out unnecessarily for something that could be construed as nefarious. I don't think I deserve that insinuation.
 

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I don't think Richard Sherman, who is a very outspoken player regarding political and other social issues, will come to New England. The QB/HC/Owner all support the president and require the players to fall in line and keep their mouths shut, which I don't think Sherman is willing to do in this point of his career. Add in the Malcolm Butler screwjob and the reports of a terrible lockerroom enviroment last year, I think some star players will shy away from here.

Richard Sherman to San Fran.
A ton of Pats players kneeled for the anthem in the game after Trump made it an issue and it was handled in New England with a whole lot more grace than in many other NFL cities. Not to mention the number of Pats players who skipped the White House, including Brady. I don’t think there is any evidence the Pats would try to muzzle Sherman regarding political or social issues he felt strongly about. Basically the rules he would have to abide by is don’t talk shit about an upcoming opponent and don’t give away anything gameplan wise. I’m not saying he’s definitely coming here by any stretch but this post is absurd.
 

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Sure. He did with Revis and Browner, no? Or were the numbers lower than what we are talking here? My memory is fuzzy but I seem to recall it wasn't inexpensive.
Browner was on a nominal 3-year deal with no signing bonus and heavy incentives each year. He earned $3.9M in 2014, the Pats didn't pick up his $2M option for 2015, and he then left.

If Sherman signed for us for anything under $10M I'm pretty sure we'd all spit out our coffees reading about it and then go polish things in our individual shrines to Belichick. So on those terms? Sure. But with Gilmore at $14M AAV, and what I'd expect it to require to get Sherman's services, that'd be a hell of a lot of commitment.
 
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A ton of Pats players kneeled for the anthem in the game after Trump made it an issue and it was handled in New England with a whole lot more grace than in many other NFL cities. Not to mention the number of Pats players who skipped the White House, including Brady. I don’t think there is any evidence the Pats would try to muzzle Sherman regarding political or social issues he felt strongly about. Basically the rules he would have to abide by is don’t talk shit about an upcoming opponent and don’t give away anything gameplan wise. I’m not saying he’s definitely coming here by any stretch but this post is absurd.
Indeed, it’s not about the things themselves but about professionalism and distractions. Take care of football, let nothing interfere with football, and they’re fine.

Belichick will actually let players get away with murder as long as it doesn’t interfere with practice.
 

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Pretty sure that for a three-time murderer and four-time killer, thug would be a term of endearment.
 

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Calling it now, Pats for 2/25, but the second year is a non-guaranteed salary the Pats would never pick up
The Revis blueprint did work out pretty well for Revis and the Pats. Not so much for the Jets. It’s a realistic possibility, particularly if teams are hesitant to give him a big contract coming off a significant injury.

No, Sherman wants to go to the team that burned Atlanta down.
I’m here for this.

There are, however, actual thugs in this world.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Thug
 

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I play poker regularly at a casino here in Seattle and half of the poker room was dedicated to Sherman with a craps table and baccarat table. During the season he would be in there at least 3 times per week with his posse getting obliterated, blasting music and acting like thugs. He would threaten the dealers when he would lose and there were multiple incidents where they had to shut down the room (one where his uncle threw a glass against the wall behind the dealers and smashed glass all over them). Sherman never once reigned in his behavior nor accepted responsibility for the actions of his crew.
Is there a casino right near Green Bay or Atlanta?