Sherman’s March From the SEA - Richard Sherman Speculation Thread

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Oneida in GB. No casinos in Georgia as far as I know.
Haven’t been to Oneida, but the other Wisconsin casino I went to was probably not Sherman’s speed. It was nice finding blackjack tables with a $1 minimum though, playing with my girlfriend at the time who would hit on 18 when she got a gut feeling because once I’d convinced her to stay on 17 against a 2 and the next player drew a 4.

Atlanta supposedly has world class strip clubs. Not sure of the casino scene. But when you’re rich and famous I’m sure it’s easy to find a game.
 

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Are we allowed to say Hernandez acted like a thug? Or was he a thug?
This issue of the dog whistling with 'thug' seems, for however true it is, to also mark a loss to the language. I referred to a (white) person as a 'thug' yesterday in the context of the guy being an especially violent enforcer in hockey in the 1980s.

I felt as though I had lost part of the language when it became vaguely apparent that I had violated some norm of polite speech. In that usage though it strikes me as a rather hard pressed argument to suggest that I was dog whistling.
 

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A ton of Pats players kneeled for the anthem in the game after Trump made it an issue and it was handled in New England with a whole lot more grace than in many other NFL cities. Not to mention the number of Pats players who skipped the White House, including Brady. I don’t think there is any evidence the Pats would try to muzzle Sherman regarding political or social issues he felt strongly about. Basically the rules he would have to abide by is don’t talk shit about an upcoming opponent and don’t give away anything gameplan wise. I’m not saying he’s definitely coming here by any stretch but this post is absurd.
I agree with your point regarding politics, but him publicly calling out his offensive coordinator after a blow up on the sidelines would not be acceptable. The Seahawks threw for a touchdown, and he went at a coach on the other side of the ball to tell him that was a bad call. He then told the press why he was upset after the game. That would not fly in New England.
 

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I agree with your point regarding politics, but him publicly calling out his offensive coordinator after a blow up on the sidelines would not be acceptable. The Seahawks threw for a touchdown, and he went at a coach on the other side of the ball to tell him that was a bad call. He then told the press why he was upset after the game. That would not fly in New England.
You’re acting like he couldn’t adjust or acclimate to the culture. Moss and others did. Isn’t Carroll known to run a loose ship in some ways?
 

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You’re acting like he couldn’t adjust or acclimate to the culture. Moss and others did. Isn’t Carroll known to run a loose ship in some ways?
Sure, he might acclimate to the culture. He also might not. Carroll does run a loose ship, which is something that helped them for a few years, and seems to have hurt them more recently.

Moss and Dillon wanted to win, which led to them losing interest before they were acquired by the Patriots. Sherman pulled that on a team that won their division, and went 10-5-1.
 

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Regardless of the character fit, I just think he's gonna get paid more than he's actually worth. Some GM will talk himself into thinking hes getting the player he was and that age and a bad achilles won't affect him too much. There are many teams with more cap space than they know what to do with it. For that reason I would say pass.

And he sounds like a dick based on that betting story.
 

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You should ask yourself whether you really think I was using that term as a "dog whistle" on this site of all places. I think you're jumping the gun a bit brah.

Apologies if I offended anyone, but be careful calling people out unnecessarily for something that could be construed as nefarious. I don't think I deserve that insinuation.
I don't want to pile on here but your intent doesn't really matter. You seem like a good dude and I'm certain that you meant nothing by it, but the word is the word. If you don't want people making assumptions about your intentions, you should eliminate it from your lexicon. It has been co-opted by people using it in a racist context so if you want to avoid being lumped in with that, find a better way to express yourself.
 

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I don't want to pile on here but your intent doesn't really matter. You seem like a good dude and I'm certain that you meant nothing by it, but the word is the word. If you don't want people making assumptions about your intentions, you should eliminate it from your lexicon. It has been co-opted by people using it in a racist context so if you want to avoid being lumped in with that, find a better way to express yourself.
I don’t think we’re going to stamp out injustice through rigid adherence to positivism.

Dog whistles are by their nature a function of usage. The idea that it is the word itself that is the problem is a very radical misapprehension of the social problems we face and what it will take to solve them.
 

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49ers make sense. Elite QB, smart head coach and front office, ton of money to offer, gets to stay on the West Coast and shove it up Pete The Poodle's ass twice a year.
 

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Good thing NE doesn’t need defensive help. No need to try and sign any of these guys.

Edit - it makes sense for SF (tons of $) and Sherman (stay on the West Coast and get paid).
 

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Good thing NE doesn’t need defensive help. No need to try and sign any of these guys.

Edit - it makes sense for SF (tons of $) and Sherman (stay on the West Coast and get paid).
I’m pretty sure they’ve tried, but there’s the salary cap thing. Apparently they were late on Bennett, I do wish they’d have submitted an offer earlier. He’s exactly what they needed and clearly they had interest. Messing up the timing isn’t a great look.

Also, Sherman hasn’t actually signed yet.
 

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I’m pretty sure they’ve tried, but there’s the salary cap thing. Apparently they were late on Bennett, I do wish they’d have submitted an offer earlier. He’s exactly what they needed and clearly they had interest. Messing up the timing isn’t a great look.

Also, Sherman hasn’t actually signed yet.
I get it. It’s all good. As mentioned in response to me above - FA hasn’t even started yet and the season doesn’t for 6 months.

Just got back from SFO - had to wake up at 3:50am to take my father-in-law.

Sherman is free to go wherever he wants and I probably just tired but everything involving the 49ers has gone against the Pats this past year.
 

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Sherman would be a luxury to have but I would rather have Solder if cap hits will be similar. I’d rather Aaron Colvin if money is being spent on a corner. Gilmore and Rowe are fine on the outside.
 

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Thanks...now back on topic

I'm not a huge football guy, but I would think the Patriots want Sherman from 2015, not the 2018 version.

And even less now, because he sounds like he's an even bigger dick in real life than he is on the football field, plus the injury recovery.
If there is one life lesson I've somehow managed to learn, it's not to listen to gossip. There are two sides to every story. As TB12 says, everyone has their own truth. Sherman and his posse, whups, I mean buddies, might have acted exactly as Fl4wless described above. Or maybe he wanted a selfie and Sherman blew him off. Maybe Sherman hit on his girlfriend not knowing they were together. I'm not singling Fl4wless out, if I had a personal run-in with a free agent that the Pats might be interested in, I'd share my story too. But unless there is some plausibly objective reporting, a non-ESPN news story for example, I'm going to discount it.
 

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I'm going to see what they do do before I get hung up on any move they don't do. The season doesn't start for another six months.
+1.

Only regret so far is Bennett.

Not going to get upset about a corner who had one Achilles reattached and the other cleaned up. We seem to have Duane Starks level luck on these sorts of additions.
 

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Losing a shot at a 30-YO corner with bad wheels who wants to get paid isn't the worst thing.

The Pats need to fortify/rebuild in a lot of areas with just average cap space.

So BB's got to hit/get lucky in the draft.
 

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I don't want to pile on here but your intent doesn't really matter. You seem like a good dude and I'm certain that you meant nothing by it, but the word is the word. If you don't want people making assumptions about your intentions, you should eliminate it from your lexicon. It has been co-opted by people using it in a racist context so if you want to avoid being lumped in with that, find a better way to express yourself.
We're giving the assholes too much power, but this isn't the thread for that discussion.
 

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Losing a shot at a 30-YO corner with bad wheels who wants to get paid isn't the worst thing.

The Pats need to fortify/rebuild in a lot of areas with just average cap space.

So BB's got to hit/get lucky in the draft.
No. But you could question the Patriots logic in not at least entertaining the thought of Sherman. You have 1-3 more years of Brady realistically then it’s going to be time for a rebuild. This happened because you sold Jimmy G on the cheap for whatever reason. So unless you sign these players in FA to fill holes on the defense you also can’t trade up to get your next franchise QB. It’s fair to finally question what Bill the GM is doing in Foxborough. Eric Rowe and Gilmore as your starting CB tandem is well...awful.
 

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He's a better gamble for the Niners to take because even if he sucks post-surgery, he'll probably be a good veteran presence to teach the young guys about Saleh's system. Assuming he's open to that sort of role I guess.
 

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No. But you could question the Patriots logic in not at least entertaining the thought of Sherman.
They very likely did, and came to the same conclusions as Bank. Resources are limited and they are better allocated elsewhere unless he’d come for less than somewhere else (which his agent might have made clear was a no). I completely disagree that Gilmore and Rowe is “awful,” as well, though I’d like another body there.
 

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No. But you could question the Patriots logic in not at least entertaining the thought of Sherman. You have 1-3 more years of Brady realistically then it’s going to be time for a rebuild. This happened because you sold Jimmy G on the cheap for whatever reason. So unless you sign these players in FA to fill holes on the defense you also can’t trade up to get your next franchise QB. It’s fair to finally question what Bill the GM is doing in Foxborough. Eric Rowe and Gilmore as your starting CB tandem is well...awful.
First off. It's March. R-E-L-A-X.
Second off. As much as Rowe wasn't that good in the Super Bowl, Gilmore was really good. I'd guess at least 50% of the teams out there wouldn't mind swapping their starting tandem CBs with the Patriots.

And there's still a draft, and Belichick has been known to find a few quality players on the cheap in FA. I think he knows what he's doing.
 

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No. But you could question the Patriots logic in not at least entertaining the thought of Sherman. You have 1-3 more years of Brady realistically then it’s going to be time for a rebuild. This happened because you sold Jimmy G on the cheap for whatever reason. So unless you sign these players in FA to fill holes on the defense you also can’t trade up to get your next franchise QB. It’s fair to finally question what Bill the GM is doing in Foxborough. Eric Rowe and Gilmore as your starting CB tandem is well...awful.
How the hell would you know any of this? Aren’t you the dude that didn’t watch any football last year?
 

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How the hell would you know any of this? Aren’t you the dude that didn’t watch any football last year?
Sure am. But I’m not oblivious to Jimmy G getting traded closing a window for the Pats. So the urgency should be there to give Brady a final crack at the ring. While I didn’t watch a minute of the Super Bowl doesn’t take a genius to figure out that Rowe is a trash cast off from Philly either. Do you really want to gamble Brady’s potential final year with bringing in retreads and a bunch of 3rd day draft picks or do you want to try and get a Marcus Peters or even Sherman and bring back Solder?
 

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No. But you could question the Patriots logic in not at least entertaining the thought of Sherman. You have 1-3 more years of Brady realistically then it’s going to be time for a rebuild. This happened because you sold Jimmy G on the cheap for whatever reason. So unless you sign these players in FA to fill holes on the defense you also can’t trade up to get your next franchise QB. It’s fair to finally question what Bill the GM is doing in Foxborough. Eric Rowe and Gilmore as your starting CB tandem is well...awful.
They probably did entertain the thought and maybe came to a similar conclusion to "why, with limited cap space, take a chance on a 30 YO corner with bad wheels"

Agree on BB the GM. For a team with the GOAT at QB on a reasonable contract, I'm at a loss why there are so many holes. But I'd start with too many hi-round draft misses over the past few years.
 

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Sure am. But I’m not oblivious to Jimmy G getting traded closing a window for the Pats. So the urgency should be there to give Brady a final crack at the ring. While I didn’t watch a minute of the Super Bowl doesn’t take a genius to figure out that Rowe is a trash cast off from Philly either. Do you really want to gamble Brady’s potential final year with bringing in retreads and a bunch of 3rd day draft picks or do you want to try and get a Marcus Peters or even Sherman and bring back Solder?
The only good thing that has come from CK not being signed is you posting less. You questioned BB because he isn't linked to a free agent cb that's 30 and coming off a serious injury.
 

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They probably did entertain the thought and maybe came to a similar conclusion to "why, with limited cap space, take a chance on a 30 YO corner with bad wheels"

Agree on BB the GM. For a team with the GOAT at QB on a reasonable contract, I'm at a loss why there are so many holes. But I'd start with too many hi-round draft misses over the past few years.
There are a bunch of holes because free agency hasn't started and the draft is a month away.
 

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The only good thing that has come from CK not being signed is you posting less. You questioned BB because he isn't linked to a free agent cb that's 30 and coming off a serious injury.
Not just him. Peters/Talib as well. But yeah why upgrade a secondary that by all accounts was made Phillys bitch in the super bowl? Rowe and Gilmore are fine. And as for Kap he would have been a great backup and hopefully someone mans up and signs him.
 

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Unless they do something about the front seven, specifically the pass rush, it doesn't matter who they pair up with Gilmore.

They got eviscerated by Nick Foles because he had all day to throw, no pressure equals 41 points.
 

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There are a bunch of holes because free agency hasn't started and the draft is a month away.
They'll fill some via free agency. But this is a team that got older and more reliant on band-aids and less reliant on 1s and 2s playing at high levels for years. I don't feel like going over roster moves over the past few years, but IMO there were too many #1 and #2 disappointments. (Richards, Easley, Cy Jones, Collins, Dobson etc) and trades ( #1 for Cooks #2 for Ealy) that carried limited returns. We needed young players playing above expectations, and we didn't get that. And now we are about to pay for it.
 

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Not just him. Peters/Talib as well. But yeah why upgrade a secondary that by all accounts was made Phillys bitch in the super bowl? Rowe and Gilmore are fine. And as for Kap he would have been a great backup and hopefully someone mans up and signs him.

Bracketing the issues with your POV on timing, signings, and thoughts on BB, or who the Pats just traded for to begin building a pass rush, you are going to be much, much better than the bolded and you are going to do it immediately or you simply won't be posting in these threads.

Am I unclear in any way?
 

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This issue of the dog whistling with 'thug' seems, for however true it is, to also mark a loss to the language. I referred to a (white) person as a 'thug' yesterday in the context of the guy being an especially violent enforcer in hockey in the 1980s.

I felt as though I had lost part of the language when it became vaguely apparent that I had violated some norm of polite speech. In that usage though it strikes me as a rather hard pressed argument to suggest that I was dog whistling.
I feel like the word "goon" conveys the same meaning, without the racial overtones that have been imbued in "thug" as a result of overuse by Fox News types, who invariably use it to describe a black person whose peaceful intentions they are not 100% sure of.

"Jack-booted thugs" was originally a Nazi / Fascist reference, no? The term certainly has a non-racial history, but then again so do many terms that we now find unsavory.
 

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We mistake the words for the dog whistles themselves at our peril, for it means we are leaning on a crutch rather than agreeing that we can listen and understand.
 

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I think the speculation has been answered in that the Patriots weren’t interested. Who cares where he goes from here, it’s not to the Pats
 

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The term "thug" is used in many other contexts than the Fox News dog whistles, so using that word by itself should not result in folks jumping on the poster for using that word.

As to Sherman, given his age and history, he's less likely to be the Richard Sherman of years past. Given the list of Pats needs, I can see why the team may be looking at investing their limited salary cap space elsewhere.
 

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The term "thug" is used in many other contexts than the Fox News dog whistles, so using that word by itself should not result in folks jumping on the poster for using that word.

As to Sherman, given his age and history, he's less likely to be the Richard Sherman of years past. Given the list of Pats needs, I can see why the team may be looking at investing their limited salary cap space elsewhere.
Bill Parcells when in Miami: “no thugs and hoodlums.” Racist? (please...)
 

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We mistake the words for the dog whistles themselves at our peril, for it means we are leaning on a crutch rather than agreeing that we can listen and understand.
There's a difference between mistaking someone's usage and informing the unaware that the word they're using has modern baggage.

Like it or not, that word is going to be read into (either approvingly or disapprovingly) for reasons that he didn't know about. It's better that he does, because then at least he's making an informed choice.

Listening and understanding happened, as far as I can see: people knew it was innocent. But informing can/should also happen, because not everywhere is as empathetic as SoSH. ;)