Sonny Gray Traded to Yanks

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The poor Fowler kid was a Yankee for about 10 minutes. Never got an AB. He's gonna be Doc from Field of Dreams.
 

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Damn, props to Cashman for these last two deadlines. Absolutely fantastic trades up and down. Dude is good. The Yankees have to be the AL East favorite now and the NYY of 2018-2022 are going to be a monster. Yikes.
Agreed. The Red Sox of 2018-2022 SHOULD be a monster as well with Betts, Bogaerts, Benintendi, and Bradley reaching their primes, with Devers coming on board, and with Sale, Price, Rodriguez, etc. in the rotation.

Of course, woulda shoulda coulda...and it hasn't helped that almost literally every single Red Sox position player has underperformed at the plate this year. Ugh.

Anyway, as much as I hate to say it.... baseball is better when the Yankees are good, as much as it pains me to say. IMO, anyway.
 

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Fair to say this board would be largely killing Dombrowski if he made this trade?

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Probably, because message boards tend to be filled with prospect huggers.

I would take the time to go back and read some really old threads of major trades that were made.

I just read an old one on NYYF about the Johan Santana sweeptakes. Posters were talking about Jose Tabata like he was Mike Trout before Mike Trout and untouchable in a deal for the best pitcher in baseball.

I am certain thousands of ridiculous posts like that have been made on this site on the main board.
 

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Everyone on the main board wanted Lastings Milledge for Manny Ramirez. Interesting trade for Gray. Trying to think of a Redsox package that is equivalent and really can't come up with one.
 

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Trying to think of a Redsox package that is equivalent and really can't come up with one.
Not many teams could assemble a comparable package without mortgaging their future, and the ones that could, like the Braves or White Sox, it wouldn't make much sense for them.
 

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Not many teams could assemble a comparable package without mortgaging their future, and the ones that could, like the Braves or White Sox, it wouldn't make much sense for them.
That and injured players aren't generally traded. It's hard putting value on them because their rankings will be suppressed. Mateo and Fowler are comparable to Manual Margot when healthy. With Kap, who knows at this point. Hard to judge a guys upside when he's pitched all of 29 innings in 3 years.
 

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Yeah OAK took a pretty big gamble here.
Ceiling is fairly high but there literally is no floor to this trade. Fowler may never make it back, Mateo is being traded at the peak of his value over the last 18+ months and Kap is a real wild card.
Personally I doubt Kap ever makes it. He is built like an NFL SS, not an MLB pitcher. Can't think of another pitcher that muscular in the upper body. I don't think you can be that jacked and still possess the flexibility needed to throw 100+ innings per year.
 

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Yeah I like this trade much better for OAK if all the pieces were healthy. That has to be frustrating as a fan to see a chip like Gray bring back a handful of guys with scary injury issues, high ceilings or no.
 

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Gray has had issues too, of course. Verducci today was pointing out how he has an "arm lag" delivery much like that of Strasburg, who is doing his yearly DL stint.
 

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Yeah OAK took a pretty big gamble here.
Ceiling is fairly high but there literally is no floor to this trade. Fowler may never make it back, Mateo is being traded at the peak of his value over the last 18+ months and Kap is a real wild card.
Personally I doubt Kap ever makes it. He is built like an NFL SS, not an MLB pitcher. Can't think of another pitcher that muscular in the upper body. I don't think you can be that jacked and still possess the flexibility needed to throw 100+ innings per year.

 

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Sonny Gray is a phenomenal name. Looking forward to seeing him work. Seems like a fair trade if it fosters this type of debate.
 

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I think this is a great trade. Two injured guys and a stud. How many people have even come back 100 percent from Fowler's injury?
The outlook isn't rosy, especially for a guy who relies on speed as much as he does. This is an injury that athletes frequently find themselves permanently diminished from.
 

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Agreed. The Red Sox of 2018-2022 SHOULD be a monster as well with Betts, Bogaerts, Benintendi, and Bradley reaching their primes, with Devers coming on board, and with Sale, Price, Rodriguez, etc. in the rotation.

Of course, woulda shoulda coulda...and it hasn't helped that almost literally every single Red Sox position player has underperformed at the plate this year. Ugh.

Anyway, as much as I hate to say it.... baseball is better when the Yankees are good, as much as it pains me to say. IMO, anyway.
You might want to take a gander at Cot's. After 2019 the current team will start losing players to free agency, starting with Sale. If Price doesn't opt out, I'm not sure they can afford to extend Sale without losing 2 or more of the kids.
 

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I never saw this before, but David Ortiz said this about Sonny Gray, not sure when but presumably a few years ago, still pretty great:

 

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As a Red Sox fan, I love to see Sonny Gray come into games for the Yankees. Heck, he was the only speedbump in today's NYY game.

How much longer will they let him take up a 25 man roster spot? I don't mean they should bring up Sheffield (although I'd love to see him), but do they really think he's going to turn things around?

Couldn't they just "tendonitis in shoulder" DL him?
 

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It's pretty inexplicable why they didn't trade him at the deadline after they got Happ and Lynn, but to answer your question, let me quote the RAB recap from today's game:

"Twenty days. Twenty days until rosters expand and the Yankees can bury Gray in the bullpen and not worry about having to use him when they run out of arms."

He did do well as a long man in the previous game this week, and Kahnle is really struggling in AAA, so it's not like there is an obvious replacement waiting around.
 

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I think it’s very likely he has low value in the market and a little value as deep depth for them if injuries strike. They did the right thing, though I get why people want him gone
 

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I think it’s very likely he has low value in the market and a little value as deep depth for them if injuries strike. They did the right thing, though I get why people want him gone
MIL was desperate for a starter and their pitching coach was Gray’s pitching coach at Vanderbilt, they were reportedly interested as were his old team OAK. They have depth for replacements in Cessa and Sheffield and Adams, they’re going to move him anyway in the winter, and this way he clogs a roster spot all of August.
 

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MIL was desperate for a starter and their pitching coach was Gray’s pitching coach at Vanderbilt, they were reportedly interested as were his old team OAK. They have depth for replacements in Cessa and Sheffield and Adams, they’re going to move him anyway in the winter, and this way he clogs a roster spot all of August.
Maybe Derek sees how messed up he is.