Sons of Peter McNeeley- Boxing Thread
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Really close, have it for Kovalev (114-113). I'll watch a rematch for sure. Would have loved it if it was 15 rounds.
I'm ready for anything with the decision
I'm ready for anything with the decision
Sketchy decision. Can't see how nobody had it for Kovalev. A fight like that has to be a split decision.
What a great fight. I agreed with the decision and honestly I probably had ward winning by one more round than they gave him.
Kovalev didn't do shit after the knockdown. And around the middle of the 4th you could see the body language in Ward that he was warmed up and nothing kovalev could hit him with would surprise him anymore. Great comeback. But I can't lie, I was surprised the judges had the balls to score body punching.
Hope we get a rematch. Great night for boxing
Kovalev didn't do shit after the knockdown. And around the middle of the 4th you could see the body language in Ward that he was warmed up and nothing kovalev could hit him with would surprise him anymore. Great comeback. But I can't lie, I was surprised the judges had the balls to score body punching.
Hope we get a rematch. Great night for boxing
Great fight but not sure I could call it a great night for boxing. The dominant narrative will unfortunately be one bullshit corrupt decision and one sketchy one.
Gotta disagree. That wasn't a corrupt decision. Kovalev has a case for the win but that was far from corrupt. 114-113 is razor thin. Ward walked a tight rope to win. How can someone watch that fight and not see it razor close?
I meant the Hooker fight right before was the bullshit corrupt one. Ward decision was sketchy. The combination was bad optics for the sport.
My bad. I had already cleansed my memory of that fight. You're right, horrible decision in that one.
I was thinking 114-113 Kovalev.
So it was basically a toss-up. If I go back and watch it again there's a good chance I could come up with the same score as the judges.
As Marciano490 was getting at, I think that decision seemed much worse because of the Hooker fight that preceded it.
That was about as overt as you get when it comes to displaying the shady/corrupt side of the sport. I don't know how that doesn't linger into most fans thoughts as they saw the Main Event decision...and if that is the case...then it's a shame that there would be any negative cloud, especially done in the name to protect a marginal (seemed that way last night) prospect. when last night should be a celebration of the sport.
So it was basically a toss-up. If I go back and watch it again there's a good chance I could come up with the same score as the judges.
As Marciano490 was getting at, I think that decision seemed much worse because of the Hooker fight that preceded it.
That was about as overt as you get when it comes to displaying the shady/corrupt side of the sport. I don't know how that doesn't linger into most fans thoughts as they saw the Main Event decision...and if that is the case...then it's a shame that there would be any negative cloud, especially done in the name to protect a marginal (seemed that way last night) prospect. when last night should be a celebration of the sport.
I really don't have a huge problem with the scoring 114-113 Ward. I have a bigger problem that it was all three judges. I can't find any two people who scored that fight the same so I'm surprised the only 3 who did were those 3. It's hard to believe nobody had the champion ahead especially given the knockdown.
Still, I'd feel worse for Kovalev had he not badly faded.
Still, I'd feel worse for Kovalev had he not badly faded.
I've found, as a hardcore it's my #1 sport, boxing fan that casuals who end up ordering ppvs always skip/dont pay attention to the undercard. It's really weird but I've sat with people who will do anything in the world except watch the screen until the main event.
To your point, my brother sat next to me and scored it the same as I had it but only for Kovalev.
The three judges having the same score was strange but they all didn't take the same path there. It just happened.
Back to the actual fight, Duva and Kovalev crying about the holding and wrestling in the post fight interviews was odd for two reasons. One, kovalev initiated as many as Ward and two, he was the bigger guy. Don't whine about the guy moving up manhandling you.
True but Ward as always was really really dirty in the clinch. Tons of low blows, rabbit punches and elbows.
Marciano, potential foty tonight? I know a lot people think it'll be dominant Loma win but even then I think Walters will bring it to create some action because:
+ He's never lost
+ Believes he has life changing power
+Knows he's lost his buzz after knocking out Donaire
I still think Loma wins but I really think there is a chance for a special fight
+ He's never lost
+ Believes he has life changing power
+Knows he's lost his buzz after knocking out Donaire
I still think Loma wins but I really think there is a chance for a special fight
I'm so excited for this fight. If Walters is in shape, motivated and didn't have to cut too much weight he's got a shot.
Walters looks totally outclassed so far. Maybe he can land something and change things up otherwise he is looking at 120-108
Boy did they back up that anger in the ring. Awesome fight - even Rafael is talking about it as a FOTY candidate - there was a genuine hatred towards each other and they let it all hang out.I know almost nothing about boxing, but I've always had a soft spot for its high propensity for press conference shenanigans. This is an instant classic of that genre.
Floyd was on First Take and offered Conor 15 million and PPV points for a fight. I've thought this was a dog and pony show; but his public offer, and knowing WME's debt service for buying UFC is high, has made me change my mind to thinking both sides want a fight. Floyd has no other opponents that can generate sales that justify his own paycheck. His last fight was vs Berto was a dud with the public. A fight with Conor would do scary business and the UFC would love to co-promote such a spectacle.
And Floyd would murder him. Conor isn't coming near this fight. He knows better after his time in Wild Card getting punked. I'd pay to see it though and laugh and laugh at all the people who've said Chuck or Rampage or Conor could hang with even a midlevel amateur boxer.
Floyd is such a damn child. It's clear he loves retirement but can't stand not having the attention. So every month he has a new snide remark or something to keep himself in the news.
And now with the Pac fight not happening, I honestly think he's going to try and troll a non boxer into a fight to rack up #50. What a fucking joke.
And now with the Pac fight not happening, I honestly think he's going to try and troll a non boxer into a fight to rack up #50. What a fucking joke.
So, how much would you pay for the fight? I'd do $100 on the PPV and love it. Especially when I recouped every penny and more betting everything I have on Floyd at like -250 because people are dumb.
I love Floyd the boxer. I watched that 30 minute sparring session he put up to promote the berto fight, twice. So I can't say I wouldn't watch but I'm just really annoyed that this is even a thing.
As you pointed out though, I don't think people understand Floyd could outbox an MMA fighter blindfolded. We aren't talking about a fringe journeyman, we are talking about one of the greatest boxing minds in the sport's history. It won't be close. Added to that, he's a defensive fighter so the chance for a lucky punch in an exchange is extremely small.
Even at the age they fought, Manny Pacquiao is a damn God and he could barely get off.
My whole thing is though, this is bush league. Go fight a top 5 welterweight and stop making a joke of the sport.
I really don't think he has a problem with it. I think he's doing the sport a service because there is a huge chunk of the general public who truly believes that MMA fighters are superior boxers than boxers. I would be doing the exact same thing in his shoes, and tried to talk MMA guys into boxing sparring sessions as often as possible to disabuse them of the same misconceptions.
I think that's the missing link for me. I don't follow MMA and have no interest in ever watching an MMA fight. I didn't know there is a sizeable population of their fans who feel that way.
Are these the same people who thought Rousey would destroy Floyd?
Are these the same people who thought Rousey would destroy Floyd?
I haven't done a survey, but maybe? It's been going on at least since Chuck Liddell, who would've destroyed Jirov or Toney or whoever was the champ at the comparable weight class.
I see. So crazy people.
Hey since I have your attention, DeGale and Jack are fighting this weekend. If that isn't enough, DeGale's sister is smoking hot and there will be a ton of cut aways to her during the fight.
I like DeGale, but am not betting. One of these days I really should see a fight at Barclay's. They get some good cards.
If it feels 50/50 to you, put money on Jack - he's +250 on Bovada.
Excited for Frampton/Santa Cruz upcoming, too. Though this year doesn't have the mega fights yet scheduled last year did. Hopefully, the momentum carries through.
I may be misremembering something. 2016 was pretty shitty. This year we have LSC/Frampton, GGG/Jacobs, Klitschko/Joshua and Thurman/Garcia already official. To me, that's way better than 2016
Hopefully. He's looked a little worse each fight and I think Frampton is very, very good and a bit bigger built. Frampton's a smaller favorite than I would've thought (-150) though, so perhaps you're right.
I've just seen LSC so many times that I feel like he took Frampton a little soft. Not that he didn't think he was good just that he didn't respect him on the world class level.
So Marciano, I'll ask you, the left or right arm? Which will Chavez Jr have to cut off to make 164.5 lbs against Canelo?
So Marciano, I'll ask you, the left or right arm? Which will Chavez Jr have to cut off to make 164.5 lbs against Canelo?
Give me a good reason for Floyd not to do it?I think it's a joke and Floyd would dominate. Destroying McGregor would embarrass
MMA and be boxing's first win in awhile. He must have some fear in his heart, unless he's just trying to max the $.